webfact Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 British grandfather Karl Andree facing 360 lashes in Saudi Arabia for making wineBy Barney Henderson74-year-old Briton's family believe the punishment will kill him as they appeal to David Cameron for helpLONDON: -- A British grandfather is facing a punishment of 360 lashes in Saudi Arabia for making home-made wine.Karl Andree, 74, was arrested in August last year when police found bottles of wine in his car.He has already served 12 months in Jeddah's brutal Briman Prison, which has a reputation for torture and inhuman conditions.Mr Andree, who worked as an oil executive in the country, is now facing a public flogging of 350 lashes – a punishment his family fear could kill him as he is still weak from battles with cancer.His three children Hugh, 46, Kirsten, 45, and Simon, 33, on Monday urged David Cameron to intervene before authorities carry out the sentence.Full story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11927812/British-grandfather-facing-350-lashes-in-Saudi-Arabia-for-making-wine.html-- The Telegraph 2015-10-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketruski Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 better stay in the western world nowadays to avoid the savages . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketruski Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 david cameron is busy housing syrians and handing them out benefits to help his fellow countryman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Note to self: Respect culture and rules while a guest in another country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncearugge Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 This man has brought this problem onto his own head. Allegedly he has lived/worked in Saudi for 25 years so he should know what the "rules" are. The Saudis are remarkably tolerant of Western lifestyles as long as it is kept within the gated compounds where most expats live. By transporting alcohol he knowingly broke Saudi Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Was the wine that bad eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomross46 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I spent 13 years in Saudi Arabia. Five as a adviser to the Saudi Militart, and eight with ARAMCO. Even before going to Saudi we were told what the law was. What goes on within in the wall is OK, just long as you involve NO Saudi. If the Saudi get pickep up you will go to jail. If you make and distribute and alcoholic beverage, the punishment is very strict, This person was sentensed to 360 lashes, These lashed are doled out at 10 lashes a month, so he will salso have 3 years in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Note to self: Respect culture and rules while a guest in another country. If it is still: You must sign on the visa that there is the death penalty on drugs and alcohol is a drug. Thailand/Singapore/Malaysia/Indonesia is also harsh on harmless drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 He play he loose It's very pity but alcohol is a very sensitive issue for Saudi cleric. Zero tolerance. If this britain would drink alcohol why did you not do it like Saudi: cross the bridge of shame between Saudi Arabia and bahrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGS1244 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Note to self: Respect culture and rules while a guest in another country. If it is still: You must sign on the visa that there is the death penalty on drugs and alcohol is a drug. Thailand/Singapore/Malaysia/Indonesia is also harsh on harmless drugs. Your last line does not make sense. Guess your opinion of harshness for so called harmless drugs is a lot different to most civilised people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertthebruce Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Can't stand the place, imagine living there all those years ??? definetly not for me.. i like my freedom too much, my life , my choices, in a country where i can do what i want (within reason of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Recon its only fair to respect their Rules. We must help them out by Thrashing every Saudi found pissed up at Airports. Not forgetting their Drunk Lambo Boy racers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Gambino Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Caught red handed sell or supply drugs. Naughty naughty. He has already served 12 months in Jeddah's brutal Briman Prison...I assume for this offence. Could be worse could always chop his head off. Edited October 13, 2015 by Gordy Gambino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Thats the one country I wouldnt mind ISIS invading................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Thats the one country I wouldnt mind ISIS invading................. One cannot invade one's own homeland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Thats the one country I wouldnt mind ISIS invading................. You would be willing to give ISIS access to the fortunes of the Saudi oil fields because some guy screwed up and got caught carrying wine in his car? He's the one that made the wine, he's the one that was drinking it and he's the one that got caught up in it. My guess is he will serve some jail time and then be deported PNG to a life of drinking his wine legally. I would be surprised if he ever receives one lash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Was probably making a tidy killing selling bootleg hooch to locals and those outside the Aramco walls. And now he's paying the price. Human greed, gets people into all sorts of trouble. Som num na. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 ...he must have known the risks....maybe something impaired his judgement.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopchan Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 This man has brought this problem onto his own head. Allegedly he has lived/worked in Saudi for 25 years so he should know what the "rules" are. The Saudis are remarkably tolerant of Western lifestyles as long as it is kept within the gated compounds where most expats live. By transporting alcohol he knowingly broke Saudi Law. But their own go to farangland to do what they can't do in their own country...Even hi-so's.......... So what's your point (if any) Transam? They go outside to partake of things illegal in their own country but LEGAL in "farangland" as you call it. Unfortunately this man was doing something ILLEGAL...does that make it clear for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilymat Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Thats the one country I wouldnt mind ISIS invading................. One cannot invade one's own homeland. I'm sureBin Laden would testify to that, were he still with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 ...he must have known the risks....maybe something impaired his judgement.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Meanwhile while the Saudi Royals are in London or Hollywood its let the good times roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanrchase Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Had an acquaintance arrested for bringing a bottle of homemade wine into Saudi from Bahrain. Forgot it was in his car when he went to Bahrain. No jail or lashes, quick PNG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shot Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Good news. Another news source (The Guardian) is reporting it's only 350 lashes, so he's on easy street now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownknees Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 When I worked there many years ago a truck used to deliver "Sedeki"by the crateful every Thursday night .Now this stuff was not from a home brew business ,who do you think ran the business?Also the palace my company serviced(Saudi co.,)was awash with any drink you could name.Hipocrites all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxo1947 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I was shocked to discover that alcohol was illegal in Saudi Arabia.That means they <deleted> camels while sober........................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 better stay in the western world nowadays to avoid the savages . Why do people in this day and age still work or go on holiday to a Muslim country? Their brains did not even reach the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Thats the one country I wouldnt mind ISIS invading................. Yes, let the Muslims invade each others country and kill each other off. That would be the best thing that could happen in todays world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razer Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Note to self: Respect culture and rules while a guest in another country. I would expect the Muslim communities in the UK and Europe to do the same. Sharia patrols in Muslim areas is outside European law yet it is tolerated. Here is a clip from 60 minutes a US investigative news program like the UK's Panorama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 This man has brought this problem onto his own head. Allegedly he has lived/worked in Saudi for 25 years so he should know what the "rules" are. The Saudis are remarkably tolerant of Western lifestyles as long as it is kept within the gated compounds where most expats live. By transporting alcohol he knowingly broke Saudi Law. But their own go to farangland to do what they can't do in their own country...Even hi-so's.......... So what's your point (if any) Transam? They go outside to partake of things illegal in their own country but LEGAL in "farangland" as you call it. Unfortunately this man was doing something ILLEGAL...does that make it clear for you? So the London bombings were legal?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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