Deportation from Chiang Mai

[thailauren]

Does anyone here know the exact deportation process if arrested in Chiang Mai for overstay?

[lazygourmet]

Try to be arrested in Bangkok if you want to spare a few days jailed, in a Chiang Mai police station, while waiting for your transportation to the IDC to be organized... Just Methinks

[thailauren]

Need some real info on how things are done. What i know is that you can leave through the international terminal in CM for a connecting flight in Bkk. But what i would like to know is if when in Bkk is there an immigration officer waiting when you come off the CM to Bkk flight?

[Soutpeel]

I dont think you will be deported from CM, you would be arrested and held in a jail cell in CM until your were transported to the IDC in BKK then deported

Edited October 25, 2015 by Soutpeel

[PattayaPhom]

As Chiang Mai is an International airport, do they have a facility to pay the overstay there, you will need to pay at BKK befor boarding your connecting flight anyway.

[Soutpeel]

As Chiang Mai is an International airport, do they have a facility to pay the overstay there, you will need to pay at BKK befor boarding your connecting flight anyway.

the OP is talking about deportation not paying an overstay

[puukao]

I am 99% sure none of us know the EXACT deportation protocol. Just wait for a mod, i guess. We can all guess, or you can call a lawyer, or talk to your embassy maybe. So, you are on overstay in CM, get found out, not at Airport...well, I"m guessing you get arrested. You stay arrested until you pay. Maybe you go to BKK if it's been xxx amount of days. I'm guessing blacklisted from returning for a long time. You call all your friends and family, embassy, and try to get the money.

[thailauren]

Ok, here is the deal. Have a friend who was arrested with abt 7 months overstay. He was taken to immigration in CM then spent a night in the police station near where he lived. Then next day he was taken to the courts by the police. Then i paid his fine which was only 1000 baht but they said only pay 800baht. (Discount for being processed fast.)

He was then taken to the CM immigration again at abt 4pm on 22/10 and even though he was ready to buy his ticket and leave immediately the IO took him to a police station/IDC near Nong Hoi. He has to wait until Monday for any movement in the process due to the long weekend. The info according to the IO (seems to be) that you can leave through the international terminal in CNX but must have a connecting flight to your home country, which is not a problem. However, my friend has a long time partner and would like to know if in Bkk he can have a secondary connecting flight to let's say SIN or KL so he can come back soon.

The question is. When you get to BKK is there an IO waiting for you until your connecting flight?

Edited October 25, 2015 by thailauren

[chiang mai]

I think you can probably work out much of the correct answer by yourself! If you are being deported it will be from a place that has a direct flight to your destination, there is just no way that Immigration will allow you to make an internal flight on your own in the hope that you will actually catch that flight you say you are. A costly alternative might be that Immigration has to escort you from say Chiang Mai, to your connecting flight in Bangkok, expect a large bill if that happens.

[tom21]

if you are in transit in bkk you will be in the departure area so unable to do a runner or change flights

[chiang mai]

if you are in transit in bkk you will be in the departure area so unable to do a runner or change flights

True, the passenger would be air side and not land side but nevertheless, if you were Immigration Dept would you allow a deportee that scope, especially after taking them into custody in the first place.

[bigt3116]

Ok, here is the deal. Have a friend who was arrested with abt 7 months overstay. He was taken to immigration in CM then spent a night in the police station near where he lived. Then next day he was taken to the courts by the police. Then i paid his fine which was only 1000 baht but they said only pay 800baht. (Discount for being processed fast.)

He was then taken to the CM immigration again at abt 4pm on 22/10 and even though he was ready to buy his ticket and leave immediately the IO took him to a police station/IDC near Nong Hoi. He has to wait until Monday for any movement in the process due to the long weekend. The info according to the IO (seems to be) that you can leave through the international terminal in CNX but must have a connecting flight to your home country, which is not a problem. However, my friend has a long time partner and would like to know if in Bkk he can have a secondary connecting flight to let's say SIN or KL so he can come back soon.

The question is. When you get to BKK is there an IO waiting for you until your connecting flight?

The fine was reduced because of the 1 night spent in custody, fines can be paid off at the rate of 1 night = 200 Baht, (not because it was processed fast).

[jesperdk]

They will escort you to the plane and they will hand over your passport to the the flight crew and you dont get it back before you leave the plane on your destination. So no change to do a runner.

[NancyL]

Ok, here is the deal. Have a friend who was arrested with abt 7 months overstay. He was taken to immigration in CM then spent a night in the police station near where he lived. Then next day he was taken to the courts by the police. Then i paid his fine which was only 1000 baht but they said only pay 800baht. (Discount for being processed fast.)

He was then taken to the CM immigration again at abt 4pm on 22/10 and even though he was ready to buy his ticket and leave immediately the IO took him to a police station/IDC near Nong Hoi. He has to wait until Monday for any movement in the process due to the long weekend. The info according to the IO (seems to be) that you can leave through the international terminal in CNX but must have a connecting flight to your home country, which is not a problem. However, my friend has a long time partner and would like to know if in Bkk he can have a secondary connecting flight to let's say SIN or KL so he can come back soon.

The question is. When you get to BKK is there an IO waiting for you until your connecting flight?

How long ago was this? I discussed a similar (potential) situation with a local consulate recently and was told that now they won't do the court hearings here in Chiang Mai and insist in hauling people arrested on overstay down to Bangkok for the court hearing.

Of course, this could have just been a rouse on the part of the consulate to encourage the person on overstay to simply go out to the Chiang Mai airport and pay the overstay fine on his way out on an international flight. That way, the consulate wouldn't have any work to do, which they would have had if he had been arrested for overstay. In the end that's what the person did. No problem, no marks in his passport and he'll be welcome back into the country anytime he wants, even with an overstay of 9 months. The Immigration officers were really quite jolly and nice at the CM airport international departure area -- which I didn't like. This guy really should stay out of Thailand and get his problems sorted instead of feeling like he'll be welcomed back in.

Edited October 25, 2015 by NancyL

[MobileContent]

As far as I know, you will be send by a car to Bangkok but they will only send you if the car is full which could take a week. IDC Bangkok will handle everything including send you to the court in Thonburi (might have changed already) and then prepare your deportation.

Edited October 25, 2015 by MobileContent

[thailauren]

Ok, here is the deal. Have a friend who was arrested with abt 7 months overstay. He was taken to immigration in CM then spent a night in the police station near where he lived. Then next day he was taken to the courts by the police. Then i paid his fine which was only 1000 baht but they said only pay 800baht. (Discount for being processed fast.)

He was then taken to the CM immigration again at abt 4pm on 22/10 and even though he was ready to buy his ticket and leave immediately the IO took him to a police station/IDC near Nong Hoi. He has to wait until Monday for any movement in the process due to the long weekend. The info according to the IO (seems to be) that you can leave through the international terminal in CNX but must have a connecting flight to your home country, which is not a problem. However, my friend has a long time partner and would like to know if in Bkk he can have a secondary connecting flight to let's say SIN or KL so he can come back soon.

The question is. When you get to BKK is there an IO waiting for you until your connecting flight?

How long ago was this? I discussed a similar (potential) situation with a local consulate recently and was told that now they won't do the court hearings here in Chiang Mai and insist in hauling people arrested on overstay down to Bangkok for the court hearing.

Of course, this could have just been a rouse on the part of the consulate to encourage the person on overstay to simply go out to the Chiang Mai airport and pay the overstay fine on his way out on an international flight. That way, the consulate wouldn't have any work to do, which they would have had if he had been arrested for overstay. In the end that's what the person did. No problem, no marks in his passport and he'll be welcome back into the country anytime he wants, even with an overstay of 9 months. The Immigration officers were really quite jolly and nice at the CM airport international departure area -- which I didn't like. This guy really should stay out of Thailand and get his problems sorted instead of feeling like he'll be welcomed back in.

The court hearing was last week in CM. Fine was paid. But the long weekend was bad luck.

[Paul888]

7 month overstay = 1000 baht reduced to 800 baht for quick processing/night in cell?

What kind of nonsense is this?

[NancyL]

Ok, here is the deal. Have a friend who was arrested with abt 7 months overstay. He was taken to immigration in CM then spent a night in the police station near where he lived. Then next day he was taken to the courts by the police. Then i paid his fine which was only 1000 baht but they said only pay 800baht. (Discount for being processed fast.)

He was then taken to the CM immigration again at abt 4pm on 22/10 and even though he was ready to buy his ticket and leave immediately the IO took him to a police station/IDC near Nong Hoi. He has to wait until Monday for any movement in the process due to the long weekend. The info according to the IO (seems to be) that you can leave through the international terminal in CNX but must have a connecting flight to your home country, which is not a problem. However, my friend has a long time partner and would like to know if in Bkk he can have a secondary connecting flight to let's say SIN or KL so he can come back soon.

The question is. When you get to BKK is there an IO waiting for you until your connecting flight?

How long ago was this? I discussed a similar (potential) situation with a local consulate recently and was told that now they won't do the court hearings here in Chiang Mai and insist in hauling people arrested on overstay down to Bangkok for the court hearing.

Of course, this could have just been a rouse on the part of the consulate to encourage the person on overstay to simply go out to the Chiang Mai airport and pay the overstay fine on his way out on an international flight. That way, the consulate wouldn't have any work to do, which they would have had if he had been arrested for overstay. In the end that's what the person did. No problem, no marks in his passport and he'll be welcome back into the country anytime he wants, even with an overstay of 9 months. The Immigration officers were really quite jolly and nice at the CM airport international departure area -- which I didn't like. This guy really should stay out of Thailand and get his problems sorted instead of feeling like he'll be welcomed back in.

The court hearing was last week in CM. Fine was paid. But the long weekend was bad luck.

What nationality and how helpful was the consulate/embassy in expediting the situation so that the hearing could be held in Chiang Mai?

Were there other factors, like was the person on overstay elderly, had health problems or otherwise in a condition where it was a good idea to expedite departure out of Thailand?

Note -- it's obvious the person on overstay had access to funds for an international flight out of Thailand. What airline was used for the flight and what was the intermediate destination since I doubt the person was a citizen of Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, China or one of the international locations with non-stop service from Chiang Mai.

If this story is true, it would be big news to know that someone could spend a night in detention in Chiang Mai to reduce an overstay fine from 20,000 baht to 800 baht. Seems like a good deal.

[elviajero]

7 month overstay = 1000 baht reduced to 800 baht for quick processing/night in cell?

What kind of nonsense is this?

And don't forget that someone being deported for overstaying can jump on the next plane back to Thailand and be let back in again!

[elviajero]

Ok, here is the deal. Have a friend who was arrested with abt 7 months overstay. He was taken to immigration in CM then spent a night in the police station near where he lived. Then next day he was taken to the courts by the police. Then i paid his fine which was only 1000 baht but they said only pay 800baht. (Discount for being processed fast.)

He was then taken to the CM immigration again at abt 4pm on 22/10 and even though he was ready to buy his ticket and leave immediately the IO took him to a police station/IDC near Nong Hoi. He has to wait until Monday for any movement in the process due to the long weekend. The info according to the IO (seems to be) that you can leave through the international terminal in CNX but must have a connecting flight to your home country, which is not a problem. However, my friend has a long time partner and would like to know if in Bkk he can have a secondary connecting flight to let's say SIN or KL so he can come back soon.

The question is. When you get to BKK is there an IO waiting for you until your connecting flight?

How long ago was this? I discussed a similar (potential) situation with a local consulate recently and was told that now they won't do the court hearings here in Chiang Mai and insist in hauling people arrested on overstay down to Bangkok for the court hearing.

Of course, this could have just been a rouse on the part of the consulate to encourage the person on overstay to simply go out to the Chiang Mai airport and pay the overstay fine on his way out on an international flight. That way, the consulate wouldn't have any work to do, which they would have had if he had been arrested for overstay. In the end that's what the person did. No problem, no marks in his passport and he'll be welcome back into the country anytime he wants, even with an overstay of 9 months. The Immigration officers were really quite jolly and nice at the CM airport international departure area -- which I didn't like. This guy really should stay out of Thailand and get his problems sorted instead of feeling like he'll be welcomed back in.

The court hearing was last week in CM. Fine was paid. But the long weekend was bad luck.

What nationality and how helpful was the consulate/embassy in expediting the situation so that the hearing could be held in Chiang Mai?

Were there other factors, like was the person on overstay elderly, had health problems or otherwise in a condition where it was a good idea to expedite departure out of Thailand?

Note -- it's obvious the person on overstay had access to funds for an international flight out of Thailand. What airline was used for the flight and what was the intermediate destination since I doubt the person was a citizen of Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, China or one of the international locations with non-stop service from Chiang Mai.

If this story is true, it would be big news to know that someone could spend a night in detention in Chiang Mai to reduce an overstay fine from 20,000 baht to 800 baht. Seems like a good deal.

Court fines are never 20k and the fine for overstaying isn't 20k its a maximum of 20k.

[oncearugge]

"Court fines are never 20k and the fine for overstaying isn't 20k its a maximum of 20k."

The alleged overstay in this case would attract a 20000Bht fine!

Even if taken to court I very much doubt a Judge would reduce the fine to 800 Bhht for, as alleged, for early processing.

It would appear the OP is not in full possession of all the facts.

Where I live all serious cases of overstay are transferred from the local IDC to Bangkok for processing and deportation.

Most cases where the required fine can be paid and an outward bound airline ticket can be provided are dealt with locally.

I suspect there is more to this story than has been told.

[elviajero]

"Court fines are never 20k and the fine for overstaying isn't 20k its a maximum of 20k."

The alleged overstay in this case would attract a 20000Bht fine!

Even if taken to court I very much doubt a Judge would reduce the fine to 800 Bhht for, as alleged, for early processing.

It would appear the OP is not in full possession of all the facts.

Where I live all serious cases of overstay are transferred from the local IDC to Bangkok for processing and deportation.

Most cases where the required fine can be paid and an outward bound airline ticket can be provided are dealt with locally.

I suspect there is more to this story than has been told.

There is no specific overstay fine. Anyone staying with "permission expired" can be fined up to 20,000 baht or locked up for up to 2 years or both. If someone on an overstay is arrested and sent to court the 500 baht per day and 20k rules applied at the border go out the window. The fine is up to the judge.

Based on TV member reports the fines decided by the court is usually a few thousand baht at most.

[thailauren]

"Court fines are never 20k and the fine for overstaying isn't 20k its a maximum of 20k."

The alleged overstay in this case would attract a 20000Bht fine!

Even if taken to court I very much doubt a Judge would reduce the fine to 800 Bhht for, as alleged, for early processing.

It would appear the OP is not in full possession of all the facts.

Where I live all serious cases of overstay are transferred from the local IDC to Bangkok for processing and deportation.

Most cases where the required fine can be paid and an outward bound airline ticket can be provided are dealt with locally.

I suspect there is more to this story than has been told.

What has been told is accurate information. I was there for the hearing.

The fine was 1000baht but 200baht was reduced when i paid it.

The person was here working legally for 2 years with work permit. Then studied for 2 years. All legit. Nothing was done underhand.

The only reson for the subsequent overstay was lack of funds to fly back home and the fiance that was a 4 year relationship that he had been together. Not a bar girl, not someone from the east, but a real relationship.

[NancyL]

Hmm, ok. Sounds like a younger person. I know that 20,000 baht max overstay is reduced in a court hearing, but wow 1000 B (actually 800) is quite a deal.

What nationality was the person and did the Embassy/Consulate assist at all in this process?

What airline was used for the outgoing flight from Chiang Mai?

As I said in my earlier post -- this seems like a "very good deal" -- spend one night in detention and have your 20,000 baht overstay fine reduced to 800 baht. I'm really wondering about the consulate that advised me that someone in a similar position should go out to the airport and pay the full 20,000 baht fine and leave quietly. That seems like very bad advice.

Edit: But, conversely -- who wants to advise an older man with health issues to go turn himself in to get arrested if there's a chance that a one-night stay in detention in Chiang Mai might turn into a much longer nightmare?

Edited October 25, 2015 by NancyL

[oncearugge]

"Court fines are never 20k and the fine for overstaying isn't 20k its a maximum of 20k."

The alleged overstay in this case would attract a 20000Bht fine!

Even if taken to court I very much doubt a Judge would reduce the fine to 800 Bhht for, as alleged, for early processing.

It would appear the OP is not in full possession of all the facts.

Where I live all serious cases of overstay are transferred from the local IDC to Bangkok for processing and deportation.

Most cases where the required fine can be paid and an outward bound airline ticket can be provided are dealt with locally.

I suspect there is more to this story than has been told.

There is no specific overstay fine. Anyone staying with "permission expired" can be fined up to 20,000 baht or locked up for up to 2 years or both. If someone on an overstay is arrested and sent to court the 500 baht per day and 20k rules applied at the border go out the window. The fine is up to the judge.

Based on TV member reports the fines decided by the court is usually a few thousand baht at most.

Sorry to disagree !

Overstay is always charged at 500 Bht/day up to a max. of 20,000 Bht.

If the fine cannot be paid or there are other aggravating features such as an inability to provide an airline ticket the case will be taken to court where a Judge may(and often does) reduce the amount of the fine to be paid. Any person taken to court charged with an overstay offence will be detained until the fine is paid and outward bound ticket is purchased.

I have personal knowledge of one case where a person was detained for 5 months before being deported. The cash in this case was provided as the result of a "whip round" . The cash was deposited with the persons Embassy who, in turn, facilitated his deportation.

[elviajero]

Hmm, ok. Sounds like a younger person. I know that 20,000 baht max overstay is reduced in a court hearing, but wow 1000 B (actually 800) is quite a deal.

What nationality was the person and did the Embassy/Consulate assist at all in this process?

What airline was used for the outgoing flight from Chiang Mai?

As I said in my earlier post -- this seems like a "very good deal" -- spend one night in detention and have your 20,000 baht overstay fine reduced to 800 baht. I'm really wondering about the consulate that advised me that someone in a similar position should go out to the airport and pay the full 20,000 baht fine and leave quietly. That seems like very bad advice.

Edit: But, conversely -- who wants to advise an older man with health issues to go turn himself in to get arrested if there's a chance that a one-night stay in detention in Chiang Mai might turn into a much longer nightmare?

You're right it's a great deal. But deportation means having to fly back to the home country, whereas someone can voluntarily exit via land or air to any country. So for someone planning to come back it could still be cheaper to pay the 20k at a border or similar in overall cost.

Plus although deportation for overstay doesn't currently get you blacklisted having been deported is reason under section 12 of the immigration act that an IO could use to deny entry in the future. So the advice to pay 20k and exit is possibly good advice.

[elviajero]

"Court fines are never 20k and the fine for overstaying isn't 20k its a maximum of 20k."

The alleged overstay in this case would attract a 20000Bht fine!

Even if taken to court I very much doubt a Judge would reduce the fine to 800 Bhht for, as alleged, for early processing.

It would appear the OP is not in full possession of all the facts.

Where I live all serious cases of overstay are transferred from the local IDC to Bangkok for processing and deportation.

Most cases where the required fine can be paid and an outward bound airline ticket can be provided are dealt with locally.

I suspect there is more to this story than has been told.

There is no specific overstay fine. Anyone staying with "permission expired" can be fined up to 20,000 baht or locked up for up to 2 years or both. If someone on an overstay is arrested and sent to court the 500 baht per day and 20k rules applied at the border go out the window. The fine is up to the judge.

Based on TV member reports the fines decided by the court is usually a few thousand baht at most.

Sorry to disagree !

Overstay is always charged at 500 Bht/day up to a max. of 20,000 Bht.

If the fine cannot be paid or there are other aggravating features such as an inability to provide an airline ticket the case will be taken to court where a Judge may(and often does) reduce the amount of the fine to be paid. Any person taken to court charged with an overstay offence will be detained until the fine is paid and outward bound ticket is purchased.

I have personal knowledge of one case where a person was detained for 5 months before being deported. The cash in this case was provided as the result of a "whip round" . The cash was deposited with the persons Embassy who, in turn, facilitated his deportation.

Ok. Looks like we will have to agree to disagree.

• Overstay fines at borders are always charged at 500 baht per day to a maximum of 20k. This is not law but the choice of immigration. They could charge 20k for 1 day.
• Fines for overstay charged by the court can be any amount up to 20k.

[jacksam]

"Court fines are never 20k and the fine for overstaying isn't 20k its a maximum of 20k."

The alleged overstay in this case would attract a 20000Bht fine!

Even if taken to court I very much doubt a Judge would reduce the fine to 800 Bhht for, as alleged, for early processing.

It would appear the OP is not in full possession of all the facts.

Where I live all serious cases of overstay are transferred from the local IDC to Bangkok for processing and deportation.

Most cases where the required fine can be paid and an outward bound airline ticket can be provided are dealt with locally.

I suspect there is more to this story than has been told.

What has been told is accurate information. I was there for the hearing.

The fine was 1000baht but 200baht was reduced when i paid it.

The person was here working legally for 2 years with work permit. Then studied for 2 years. All legit. Nothing was done underhand.

The only reson for the subsequent overstay was lack of funds to fly back home and the fiance that was a 4 year relationship that he had been together. Not a bar girl, not someone from the east, but a real relationship.

OP what do you mean by "not a bar girl or from east.......but a REAL RELATIONSHIP"

Are you a fool or just narrow minded

[NancyL]

Hmm, ok. Sounds like a younger person. I know that 20,000 baht max overstay is reduced in a court hearing, but wow 1000 B (actually 800) is quite a deal.

What nationality was the person and did the Embassy/Consulate assist at all in this process?

What airline was used for the outgoing flight from Chiang Mai?

As I said in my earlier post -- this seems like a "very good deal" -- spend one night in detention and have your 20,000 baht overstay fine reduced to 800 baht. I'm really wondering about the consulate that advised me that someone in a similar position should go out to the airport and pay the full 20,000 baht fine and leave quietly. That seems like very bad advice.

Edit: But, conversely -- who wants to advise an older man with health issues to go turn himself in to get arrested if there's a chance that a one-night stay in detention in Chiang Mai might turn into a much longer nightmare?

You're right it's a great deal. But deportation means having to fly back to the home country, whereas someone can voluntarily exit via land or air to any country. So for someone planning to come back it could still be cheaper to pay the 20k at a border or similar in overall cost.

Plus although deportation for overstay doesn't currently get you blacklisted having been deported is reason under section 12 of the immigration act that an IO could use to deny entry in the future. So the advice to pay 20k and exit is possibly good advice.

Yes, you're right. A one-way ticket to North America or Europe is probably going to cost more than 20K.

Still, I'd like to know if the Embassy/Consulate helped in this process, the nationality of the person deported and what airline was used. I'm under the impression that not every airline will accept someone for deportation because of concerns that they'll "jump ship" during stop-overs. There is no non-stop service from Chiang Mai to Europe or North America.

[merijn]

I only know the process for Phuket but i suspect is the same for other parts of the country.

If there is a flight from Phuket to his home country it will be done via Phuket airport.

If the person has to be deported from Phuket via BKK he will be transferred from Phuket to BKK IDC first before he is deported from the country.

This is done by immigration truck together with other arrested people who have to be transferred. (this can take a long time as they wait for enough people first before organizing the transport to BKK)

If he is not wiling to do this and has money he can fly rom Phuket to Bangkok but only together with a police officer and all cost are for the to be deported person. (round trip ticket for the officer and single for himself)

After he is handed over to IDC in BKK he will be processed for deportation.

I believe that they only except direct flights (if possible) from Thailand to his home country.

Maybe their are other options available if they agree with that but i did not hear anything about that.