watcharacters Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Has it started and when do you think it will be fully implemented? I understand it'll render any VPN unusable. Should I say a permanent goodbye to Netflix, Hulu and the like? This could be a game changer for me, not that anyone cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCruncher Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 It will be a game changer for everybody, including posters on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 it is just being tested ... for now. vpn is working fine for all those websites you mentioned. No slowdown just yet. a few government sites have been attacked, and may be slow/inaccessible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Will it really make VPN unusable. Aren't VPNs widely used in China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thequietman Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Currently a very popular vpn website is barred by the government similar to the Daily Mail et all. The past 4 days I was unable to access sites outside Thailand. Coincidence?................I think not. It has began and it will get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Yes I have noticed lots of weirdness. Too tedious to detail. Very annoying indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Currently a very popular vpn website is barred by the government similar to the Daily Mail et all. The past 4 days I was unable to access sites outside Thailand. Coincidence?................I think not. It has began and it will get worse. Four days is around the time frame I've noticed to cause that game change. I've seen how the internet works in all the surrounding SEA countries and I wonder if my time is up for somewhat free usage. My stomach churns at the idea of some administration (anywhere) choosing to block free internet access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazey Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Here's how the government are doing it. https://www.bluecoat.com/products/proxysg-secure-web-gateway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aachen Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 And the world will end... It is always good comedy to listen to all rumors.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 The government can close vpn ports but that's more like mass cyber suicide because it can't distinguish content. There is proxy s/w for "hopping the wall" - doable but its installation is rather complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudRight Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I'm skeptical that Thailand could afford the processing overhead and maintenance to man-in-the-middle attack every SSL key swap in the Kingdom, not to mention logging and forensics. Then there's the issue that the certificates would be fake; this is obvious to the user. Lastly, they can only see what you're doing and nothing else. So they can spend billions of baht to learn that you watch old Seinfeld episodes and order pizza company three times a week. Yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 When you build a fortress you not only keep your enemies locked out, you lock yourself in. Especially when that fortress has only one door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhizBang Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Something is definately going on as the quality of my service (True DSL) has taken a significant nose dive during the past few weeks. As it is right now, pages are very slow to load and many just hang requiring many refreshes to finally get the page loaded, and thios is for both Thai and international sites. Downloads are not working as they all seem to timeout after 1 to 2 minutes. Time for a counter coup, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 2016 is going to be pivotal. So many tension points. I can live with a reduced internet but will the people have the same attitude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudRight Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) 2016 is going to be pivotal. So many tension points. I can live with a reduced internet but will the people have the same attitude? Enterprise users need little encouragement to relocate. If they cannot operate securely in the Kingdom then they won't at all. There's to much money at stake for an idiot's approach. What really steams my clams is the arrogance and contemptible ignorance of the pea-brained big hats, their plagues of sycophantic yes-men and self-serving bureaucrats that concoct this nonsense. Thailand employs a bloated, parasitic industry of these lower life forms. A culling is in order. Edited October 26, 2015 by BudRight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user82374298374 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Only Phazey and BudRight have a clue in this thread, so far. Nobody in the government who's spoken on this topic has a clue, either. This topic has been discussed to death. No, the 'single gateway' isn't being tested. No, your various random Internet issues have nothing to do with the 'single gateway'. No, the 'single gateway' isn't going to happen, because the government don't have the money nor the skills for it. They're going to end up with a distributed proxy system which is centrally controlled, as in Singapore. Right now, each ISP has its own proxy system, but it isn't centrally administered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skygod2000 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 They're going to end up with a distributed proxy system which is centrally controlled, as in Singapore. Right now, each ISP has its own proxy system, but it isn't centrally administered. I must admit to being concerned about the governments declarations. Your post offers some hope, could you explain, in simple english, what this is and how it may effect us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Here's how the government are doing it. https://www.bluecoat.com/products/proxysg-secure-web-gateway Since that's an SSL proxy, the browser will prompt you to add a trusted certificate when you connect. DO NOT ACCEPT! If you do, all your encrypted HTTPS traffic will be visible as plain http traffic to that proxy.Can be bypassed by using a VPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 All mobile phones have to be registered now, anyone here know if that could or is possible with PC's, Laptop (Notebook) etc. If it is possible would random checking be a possibility also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 All mobile phones have to be registered now, anyone here know if that could or is possible with PC's, Laptop (Notebook) etc. If it is possible would random checking be a possibility also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodymassagemyfriend Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) As a software engineer i know this - VPNs are not vulnerable to man in the middle attack. - A modern country can't exist without a VPN. A soon as a global company needs communication with subsidiaries , VPN is mandatory. So either blue chips will be allowed to bypass this or they will have to gradually relocate. https proxies is a joke , anyone having access to the proxy server can among other things copy creedit card numbers, login passwords , ... So is there any plan to shutdown ebusiness with the rest of the world? Edited October 26, 2015 by bodymassagemyfriend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceKadet Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Here's how the government are doing it. https://www.bluecoat.com/products/proxysg-secure-web-gateway Since that's an SSL proxy, the browser will prompt you to add a trusted certificate when you connect. DO NOT ACCEPT! If you do, all your encrypted HTTPS traffic will be visible as plain http traffic to that proxy.Can be bypassed by using a VPN. That is totally false. Their new shiny appliance will come with a certificate signed by a verified CA that is already in the browser... nothing will be prompted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceKadet Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I'm skeptical that Thailand could afford the processing overhead and maintenance to man-in-the-middle attack every SSL key swap in the Kingdom, not to mention logging and forensics. Then there's the issue that the certificates would be fake; this is obvious to the user. Lastly, they can only see what you're doing and nothing else. So they can spend billions of baht to learn that you watch old Seinfeld episodes and order pizza company three times a week. Yay. Wrong on this one. In my last company contract, we had an Ironport Web Security appliance that all web connections went through. It would brake SSL connection, inspect the payload and reconnect to the endpoint server without any notification to the user... Can be easily done on a Linux server if you want proof. VPN protocols are much more secure, but it is easier to just block the endpoint servers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbie Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Does that mean Internet banking system will be compromised as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Is the question why does the internet need more speeds than slow and stop in the rest of Thailand, or is it why did the chicken cross the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCruncher Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Does that mean Internet banking system will be compromised as well? It means you don't need a password anymore for your internet banking, someone between you and your bank will fill it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falang khinok Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 ey guys try this: https://www.softether.org/3-screens/2.vpnclient works everywhere usualy pretty fast....developed for china....should work in thailand as well otherwise try satelite internet...http://satellite-internet-review.toptenreviews.com/ should work worldwide without using the national systems.... try and reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 There is only one reason for the government to push for a single internet gateway...they lust for complete control of the venue of internet communications... Taxes, snooping, censorship...and even arrests could be the eventual outcome with a government who has unlimited power over peoples lives...with no checks and balances to subdue their often unwarranted aggression...IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie61 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) The boys in green won't be around long enough to implement their pie in the sky idea(l)s... I think they will know when their day is done...... as usual, when the problems they have created get beyond them, and require a "democratic" government to shoulder the blame again. Edited October 26, 2015 by eddie61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Here's how the government are doing it. https://www.bluecoat.com/products/proxysg-secure-web-gateway Since that's an SSL proxy, the browser will prompt you to add a trusted certificate when you connect. DO NOT ACCEPT! If you do, all your encrypted HTTPS traffic will be visible as plain http traffic to that proxy.Can be bypassed by using a VPN. That is totally false. Their new shiny appliance will come with a certificate signed by a verified CA that is already in the browser... nothing will be prompted. Mind telling which CA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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