EU sparks row with Israel over settlement made goods labels

[Jingthing]

You incorrectly and probably intentionally twisted what I wrote about not stopping at the settlements. That's about the BDS movement's tactics which generally include boycotting everything from Israel, not only from the settlements. Many of them go further into vile Judeophobia and boycott anything in the world they can associate with Jewish people anywhere.

As far as "apartheid mind" let's look at the goals of even the moderate Palestinian leaders, the segment that would be satisfied with a Palestinian state and not aiming to expel and kill all the Jews of Israel. You want to see apartheid minds? Look there. They want a "Jew free" state. Israel on the other hand proudly includes about 20 percent Arab Israeli CITIZENS, both Muslim and Christian.

[Jingthing]

Israel continues to expand its borders, what are those borders again? A country with no borders? Say it isnt so.

Settlements continue with the blessing of their govt. if the govt and the few Israeli firsters on here are so confident that Israel is doing the right thing then why on earth are they concerned of labelling.

Surely they would be proud of doing the right thing and be happy with labelling. Surely it would boost business.

So stand by your actions and consider this a positive for the industry, right?

That's a very good point.

If Israel and its supporters feel that building what many term as illegal settlements on what many term as Palestinian land is just, legal and morally right, shouldn't they happily let the consumers know that what they're going to buy is proudly presented by people who are industrious rather than villainous?

There is an incorrect interpretation of the motivations for objecting to the EU policy being necessarily a signal of SUPPORT for the settlement movement. It is not that. It is what I detailed before ... about a double standard applied to the one Jewish state and also based on an understanding that to the BDS movement, which aims to end the existence of Israel, the settlement labeling is seen as a baby step towards their real much more toxic goals.

[Steely Dan]

Hopefully this will soon evolve into a full-fledged economic boycott against the occupiers.

Regardless of how this will effect the Palestinian economy?

Yes, palestinians have proved over many decades they are willing to live a harsh life and put up with things no other people would put up with. They are a very hardened people thanks to Israel's expansionist policies.

So a crashing economy is not high on their agenda when they already have thousands being killed on Israel's whim.

I would also consider it incumbent on a certain western power to ensure palestine is economically sound by assisting them considering it is their veto in the UN that is exacerbating the problem.

It seems that some of our esteemed members are happy to speak for the Palestinians whilst writing from the safety of their armchairs several time zones away. However even the Palestinian authority is against BDS.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jakewallissimons/100275416/israels-enemies-are-dealt-a-heavy-blow-by-the-palestinian-authority/

But here’s the twist: in an unprecedented development, these protesters were arrested not by Israeli forces, but by the Palestinian police.

Moreover, the Palestinian authorities seemed determined to make an example of the BDS four, choosing not to let them go with a "slap on the wrist". On 28 May they were formally charged with “provoking riots and the breach of public tranquillity”, and the case will go to court on 14 July.

The irony is tangible. All over Britain, the United States, Europe and Australia, campaigners for the BDS movement are lauded as champions of the Palestinian cause.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Steely Dan

[GeorgesAbitbol]

You incorrectly and probably intentionally twisted what I wrote about not stopping at the settlements. That's about the BDS movement's tactics which generally include boycotting everything from Israel, not only from the settlements. Many of them go further into vile Judeophobia and boycott anything in the world they can associate with Jewish people anywhere.

As far as "apartheid mind" let's look at the goals of even the moderate Palestinian leaders, the segment that would be satisfied with a Palestinian state and not aiming to expel and kill all the Jews of Israel. You want to see apartheid minds? Look there. They want a "Jew free" state. Israel on the other hand proudly includes about 20 percent Arab Israeli CITIZENS, both Muslim and Christian.

I would hardly say "proudly", or you have never witnessed the life of Arabs living in Israel. Their citizenship is comparable to the Indian casts, ifyou don't know it then you have a lot of homework to do, and by this i mean getting informed by other medias than the ones "pro-israel"

Israel is scared by one thing : in two or three generations, Arabs living in Israel will outnumber the jews, and therefore the government will be leaded by arabs.

Your use of the eternal "yeah why do't you yell at this country which do worse" has one explanation : Israel elect its leaders, and the CITIZENS has the power to change thi far right winged government each time an election occurs...yet they choose each time a government wich promote settlements...

Israel justice for palestians? DO we have any news of the settlers who burnt an house in Palestine? No of course and we won't.

So yes, Israel is an apartheid state, like it or not. The world is fed up of this country acting like a bully and branding anyone speaking against its politic as antisemit.

Do you say that people against Assad politic is racist toward Syrians?

Do you say that people against Putin politic is racist toward Russian?

Well it is the same for Israel. Its citizen has the choice to change the way it is and they don't do sh.t...

And about the boycott the proof it works ans scare this government, coming from a jewish journal :

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4664447,00.html

[Jingthing]

George, you're not really interested in this topic.

I figured that out.

You're only here to do a generic Israel demonization dump.

Typical here.

I've explained what I think are the reasonable objections to the E.U. labeling and I agree with the objections. It's going ahead and the conflict continues. What else is new?

Edited November 13, 2015 by Jingthing

[GeorgesAbitbol]

George, you're not really interested in this topic.

I figured that out.

You're only here to do a generic Israel demonization dump.

Typical here.

I've explained what I think are the reasonable objections to the E.U. labeling and I agree with the objections. It's going ahead and the conflict continues. What else is new?

You also figured out that the labeling is concerning Settlements, don't you?

But you typically avoid any discussion about THE problem which poison Israel image worldwide...

What is new is that now illegal settlers will suffer economical loss from this law, and it is a good thing...

And this labeling would stop once the government change its politic toward those illegal settlements...

So if you think this labeling is not related to Israel politic , then you fneed to read my post more carefully

Edited November 13, 2015 by GeorgesAbitbol

[Jingthing]

George, you're not really interested in this topic.

I figured that out.

You're only here to do a generic Israel demonization dump.

Typical here.

I've explained what I think are the reasonable objections to the E.U. labeling and I agree with the objections. It's going ahead and the conflict continues. What else is new?

You also figured out that the labeling is concerning Settlements, don't you?

What is new is that now illegal settlers will suffer economical loss from this law, and it is a good thing...

And this labeling would stop once the government change its politic toward those illegal settlements...

So if this labeling is not related to Israel politic, then you fneed to read my post more carefully

There seems to be a lot of controversy about the level of economic damage, to the Israelis in Judea/Samaria, to Israel in general, and to the Palestinians in Judea/Samaria. But my objections are more about what I posted before ... the double standard and also the slippery slope aspect of this as it's clearly a stepped tactic by the BDS movement.

If your argument is that settlement labeling is going to do anything to bring about a quick and mass abandonment of the settlements, I don't think anyone pushing the toxic Israel demonization agenda thinks that is actually true.

It is true that both the government of Israel and supporters of the existence of Israel consider the BDS movement in general a threat and a threat that must be aggressively fought against, because the goals of the leadership of the BDS movement go well beyond support for a two state solution -- their movement is about the complete end of the Israeli state in any borders.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Jingthing

[GeorgesAbitbol]

George, you're not really interested in this topic.

I figured that out.

You're only here to do a generic Israel demonization dump.

Typical here.

I've explained what I think are the reasonable objections to the E.U. labeling and I agree with the objections. It's going ahead and the conflict continues. What else is new?

You also figured out that the labeling is concerning Settlements, don't you?

What is new is that now illegal settlers will suffer economical loss from this law, and it is a good thing...

And this labeling would stop once the government change its politic toward those illegal settlements...

So if this labeling is not related to Israel politic, then you fneed to read my post more carefully

There seems to be a lot of controversy about the level of economic damage, to the Israelis in Judea/Samaria, to Israel in general, and to the Palestinians in Judea/Samaria. But my objections are more about what I posted before ... the double standard and also the slippery slope aspect of this as it's clearly a stepped tactic by the BDS movement.

If your argument is that settlement labeling is going to do anything to bring about a quick and mass abandonment of the settlements, I don't think anyone pushing the toxic Israel demonization agenda thinks that is actually true.

It is true that both the government of Israel and supporters of the existence of Israel consider the BDS movement in general a threat and a threat that must be aggressively fought against, because the goals of the leadership of the BDS movement go well beyond support for a two state solution -- their movement is about the complete end of the Israeli state in any borders.

Point proven one more time that you avoid the issue here: illegal settlements.

You may use of some rethoric to hide but the BDS movement is growing, and this worries Bibi.

It take time but if even Bibi is worried and lobby worlwide the government to limit the damages, it is a clear growing concern.

But your "demonizing Israel"is nonesens and an old and useless song: the facts speak for themselves and Israel needs nobody to demoniz itself

Edited November 13, 2015 by GeorgesAbitbol

[harrry]

This topic is not names correctly,

It should say:

"Israel sparks row with EU by mislabling goods"

[Jingthing]

The settlements, illegal or not, do exist and they do produce some products and some of those products are for export. The existence or not of the settlements is definitely an issue somewhere, but the issue we're discussing here is actually about the labeling by the EU and how it's related to the international BDS movement. Also in question is if such specialized labeling is being enforced on Israel, why not the same treatment to the other regions in the world with disputed borders?

A person can easily be in opposition to the settlement movement and yet at the same time be in opposition to the EU's double standard labeling (picking on Israel, ignoring other areas with border controversies) and also in opposition to the horrific goals of the BDS movement in general. Yes, to me, the goal to end the existence of Israel is a very horrific goal.

As far as the legality of the Judea/Samaria settlements, legally yes they are illegal under international law, legal under Israeli law, and the state of Palestine which some say they are located in does not yet and may not ever exist. Obviously, that is a messy conflicted situation subject to change. I don't think many people would dispute that part of it.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Jingthing

[Pakboong]

Under contemporary international law, and in view of the principle of self-determination, sovereignty is vested in the population under occupation.

BERKELEY JOURNAL OF INTERNATIONAL LAW

The Israeli occupation of the OPT violates the three basic tenets of the normative regime of occupation and is, therefore, intrinsically illegal.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Pakboong

[Thorgal]

Some 300.000 foreign workers are active in the West Bank for Israeli companies.

Palestinians are mostly refused to be employed on their own lands by the Israeli's. There are cases that underaged (-16) Palestinian boys are working with pesticides without personal protection....

Moreover, the laws and rights for these foreign workers coming from SE Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe,...are close to modern slavery.

https://www.fidh.org/IMG/pdf/il1806a.pdf

Please read annexes of the link at the end...

The EU should ban these Israeli products made in Palestinian occupied territories and with foreign labour !

Edited November 13, 2015 by Thorgal

[Steely Dan]

Some 300.000 foreign workers are active in the West Bank for Israeli companies.

Palestinians are mostly refused to be employed on their own lands by the Israeli's. There are cases that underaged (-16) Palestinian boys are working with pesticides without personal protection....

Moreover, the laws and rights for these foreign workers coming from SE Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe,...are close to modern slavery.

https://www.fidh.org/IMG/pdf/il1806a.pdf

Please read annexes of the link at the end...

The EU should ban these Israeli products made in Palestinian occupied territories and with foreign labour !

Utter nonsense, Palestinians working in Israeli settlements receive approximately twice the average pay they would receive working in Palestinian authority controlled areas. Little wonder the average Palestinian worker is not in favour of BDS. But hurting Palestinians is of no concern to one issue anti-Israel activists who in trying to cut economic ties between Israelis and Palestinians do nothing but undermine a two state solution they pretend to favour.

P.s and about your totally discredited NGO, seeing as you yourself are such an avid source policeman.

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/international_federation_of_human_rights_fidh_paris_

Edited November 13, 2015 by Steely Dan

[GeorgesAbitbol]

The settlements, illegal or not, do exist and they do produce some products and some of those products are for export. The existence or not of the settlements is definitely an issue somewhere, but the issue we're discussing here is actually about the labeling by the EU and how it's related to the international BDS movement. Also in question is if such specialized labeling is being enforced on Israel, why not the same treatment to the other regions in the world with disputed borders?

A person can easily be in opposition to the settlement movement and yet at the same time be in opposition to the EU's double standard labeling (picking on Israel, ignoring other areas with border controversies) and also in opposition to the horrific goals of the BDS movement in general. Yes, to me, the goal to end the existence of Israel is a very horrific goal.

As far as the legality of the Judea/Samaria settlements, legally yes they are illegal under international law, legal under Israeli law, and the state of Palestine which some say they are located in does not yet and may not ever exist. Obviously, that is a messy conflicted situation subject to change. I don't think many people would dispute that part of it.

Well, the issue "somewhere" is deeply linked to the labelling.

As a previous poster say, Israel has the choice to clearly advocate for settlements, and then be "proud to be labeled" or find a solution to stop the settlements.

It is not an issue "somewhere" but THE issue here, not the "horrific BDS".(people are free to boycott the products coming from what they think is an unfair and sneaky process, they are not forced into it)

As far as I know there is not anywhere in the world a region where a country settle as much in territories which are not their, rule them, expropriate them...and so much more...and elected under a democratic process.

Israel, boasting about being a beacon of democracy in middle east, has much more power to get out of this dead end..it is not ruled by an unelected leader, right?

So maybe the big companies won't give a sh.t about this labeling and BDS (even if many Israeli news and speeches say the opposite) but once the citizens are targeted where it hurts, the incomes, they will clearly turn against their leaders when elections will come.

Big companies can suffer losses and move, the small companies and individuals who where encouraged to settle will clearly let their politicians know about it

[Seastallion]

The settlements, illegal or not, do exist and they do produce some products and some of those products are for export. The existence or not of the settlements is definitely an issue somewhere, but the issue we're discussing here is actually about the labeling by the EU and how it's related to the international BDS movement. Also in question is if such specialized labeling is being enforced on Israel, why not the same treatment to the other regions in the world with disputed borders?

A person can easily be in opposition to the settlement movement and yet at the same time be in opposition to the EU's double standard labeling (picking on Israel, ignoring other areas with border controversies) and also in opposition to the horrific goals of the BDS movement in general. Yes, to me, the goal to end the existence of Israel is a very horrific goal.

As far as the legality of the Judea/Samaria settlements, legally yes they are illegal under international law, legal under Israeli law, and the state of Palestine which some say they are located in does not yet and may not ever exist. Obviously, that is a messy conflicted situation subject to change. I don't think many people would dispute that part of it.

If you didn't "ignore" so many posters, then you'd be better informed about the arguments against your POV, and thus wouldn't be wasting bandwidth parroting disreputed arguments.

Rather pathetic, considering that you DO read the supposedly ignored posts but CHOOSE to disregard them. It's as bad as going off-topic. And disingenuous.

[GeorgesAbitbol]

Some 300.000 foreign workers are active in the West Bank for Israeli companies.

Palestinians are mostly refused to be employed on their own lands by the Israeli's. There are cases that underaged (-16) Palestinian boys are working with pesticides without personal protection....

Moreover, the laws and rights for these foreign workers coming from SE Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe,...are close to modern slavery.

https://www.fidh.org/IMG/pdf/il1806a.pdf

Please read annexes of the link at the end...

The EU should ban these Israeli products made in Palestinian occupied territories and with foreign labour !

Utter nonsense, Palestinians working in Israeli settlements receive approximately twice the average pay they would receive working in Palestinian authority controlled areas. Little wonder the average Palestinian worker is not in favour of BDS. But hurting Palestinians is of no concern to one issue anti-Israel activists who in trying to cut economic ties between Israelis and Palestinians do nothing but undermine a two state solution they pretend to favour.

P.s and about your totally discredited NGO, seeing as you yourself are such an avid source policeman.

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/international_federation_of_human_rights_fidh_paris_

But hurting Palestinians is of no concern to one issue anti-Israel activists who in trying to cut economic ties...

More an extortion than any economic ties: I take your land, exploit its ressources and hire you because you re cheap, or you can go home and be jobless

[Jingthing]

Put on any label you like.

Israeli wine from the Golan Heights:

I wonder if it pairs well with Israeli hummus.

Cheers!

[GeorgesAbitbol]

Put on any label you like.

Israeli wine from the Golan Heights:

davidwine.jpg

I wonder if it pairs well with Israeli hummus.

Cheers!

Wine from Israel..., with aluminium tops...now THIS is Funny...

So one more product which comes from illegal land stealing...

A strange propaganda, considering most of the export is for the USA (so you can even label it comes from Yehovah's blood Himself) and its most expensive wine tops around 100$ (except some real old ones)...

Most european people are against settlements I highly doubt of its sells there, it is probably not even exported there

The funniest part is each bottle of wine is a french advertising as 90% of the grape variety come from there...

Edited November 13, 2015 by GeorgesAbitbol

[Jingthing]

There is a big trend in the world of wine away from cork. A metal cap does not indicate a poor wine any more than a corked wine indicates a fine one.

[Linky]

Only for those who have no appreciation of fine wine.

But back on topic, why does Israel object to labelling the goods made in settlements. Could it be because they know the wrld is against settlements?

Time for Israel to man up and shout to the world that settlements are good and they are proud of the goods made there. You do it, own it and stop sooking and crying about it.

[GeorgesAbitbol]

As well as cans or bricks, why not put wine in there...

Corks of lower quality can leads to wine corruption but is still preferred for the best wines, because we know how it ages. Caps are easy to use, but comes from non renewable ressource, can easily get corrupted if not correctly handled. It was created because of its low cost and easy to incorporate in the bottling process...

But it is a way to label it "table wine"

[Thorgal]

Some 300.000 foreign workers are active in the West Bank for Israeli companies.

Palestinians are mostly refused to be employed on their own lands by the Israeli's. There are cases that underaged (-16) Palestinian boys are working with pesticides without personal protection....

Moreover, the laws and rights for these foreign workers coming from SE Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe,...are close to modern slavery.

https://www.fidh.org/IMG/pdf/il1806a.pdf

Please read annexes of the link at the end...

The EU should ban these Israeli products made in Palestinian occupied territories and with foreign labour !

Utter nonsense, Palestinians working in Israeli settlements receive approximately twice the average pay they would receive working in Palestinian authority controlled areas. Little wonder the average Palestinian worker is not in favour of BDS. But hurting Palestinians is of no concern to one issue anti-Israel activists who in trying to cut economic ties between Israelis and Palestinians do nothing but undermine a two state solution they pretend to favour.

P.s and about your totally discredited NGO, seeing as you yourself are such an avid source policeman.

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/international_federation_of_human_rights_fidh_paris_

Thanks, very interesting.

But perhaps you should consider the recent land grab of the West Bank called E1 which makes the Palestinian Territories divided in 3 cantons: Gaza, South West Bank and North West Bank.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E1_(Jerusalem)

Which makes it impossible for Palestinian workers to move geographically within their territory. And with direct impact on their economy...

It's false to pretend that those are Palestinian authorities controlled areas. No, they've always been controlled by Israel since 1967. In fact, looks like Israel implemented 'the one state solution' since 1967 in terms of economy.

Palestinian agricultural economy was destroyed, dispossessed and replaced by Israeli controlled agriculture.

Products mentioned in OP from occupied Palestinian Territories originate from those facts I've summarised above.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Thorgal

[Jingthing]

As well as cans or bricks, why not put wine in there...

Corks of lower quality can leads to wine corruption but is still preferred for the best wines, because we know how it ages. Caps are easy to use, but comes from non renewable ressource, can easily get corrupted if not correctly handled. It was created because of its low cost and easy to incorporate in the bottling process...

But it is a way to label it "table wine"

It sounds like you might be working for BIG CORK.

But, dude, I reckon you simply have a very outdated POV about capping wines.

My favorite winery on the planet:

It was among the first premium winemakers to adopt screw caps for its wines in 2001, and in 2008 pioneered the use of transparent ingredient labeling on all of its wines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonny_Doon_Vineyard

Are You Getting Screwed?

Well, the answer is really yes and no. If you have shrewdly purchased one of the our estimable products crafted by the screw-pulous, exacting winemaking team at Bonny Doon Vineyard, you will notice that the bottle is sealed with a screwcap. Rest assured that the screwcap is in no way an inferior form of closure to the more prevalent 17th century technology, commonly referred to as a “cork.”

https://www.bonnydoonvineyard.com/about/screwcaps/

Edited November 13, 2015 by Jingthing

[Linky]

As well as cans or bricks, why not put wine in there...

Corks of lower quality can leads to wine corruption but is still preferred for the best wines, because we know how it ages. Caps are easy to use, but comes from non renewable ressource, can easily get corrupted if not correctly handled. It was created because of its low cost and easy to incorporate in the bottling process...

But it is a way to label it "table wine"

It sounds like you might be working for BIG CORK.

But, dude, I reckon you simply have a very outdated POV about capping wines.

My favorite winery on the planet:

It was among the first premium winemakers to adopt screw caps for its wines in 2001, and in 2008 pioneered the use of transparent ingredient labeling on all of its wines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonny_Doon_Vineyard

Im surprised that when they started using screw caps you didnt put them on your ignore list.

[tomwct]

Maybe it's time to boycott the boycotters.

European stuff? Overrated.

I agree! Boycott anything made in the EU! It's probably overpriced! Just another organization (Or Government Entity) that, Taxes, taxes, & taxes, it's members)! No need for more government and for more Regulations it issues! Just a place for High Ranking Politicians from the EU Member Countries to get a Job after they have been defeated in elections from their Home Countries! What a waste of money and taxes! The World Needs less government not more!

[Pakboong]

Bibi made a plea Monday to Obama for US support of Israel annexing the Golan Heights. So far, Obama has refused. Lots of oil under the Golan.

[harrry]

As well as cans or bricks, why not put wine in there...

Corks of lower quality can leads to wine corruption but is still preferred for the best wines, because we know how it ages. Caps are easy to use, but comes from non renewable ressource, can easily get corrupted if not correctly handled. It was created because of its low cost and easy to incorporate in the bottling process...

But it is a way to label it "table wine"

It sounds like you might be working for BIG CORK.

But, dude, I reckon you simply have a very outdated POV about capping wines.

My favorite winery on the planet:

It was among the first premium winemakers to adopt screw caps for its wines in 2001, and in 2008 pioneered the use of transparent ingredient labeling on all of its wines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonny_Doon_Vineyard

Im surprised that when they started using screw caps you didnt put them on your ignore list.

He lives in Pattaya, You can screw anything there.

[Thorgal]

As well as cans or bricks, why not put wine in there...

Corks of lower quality can leads to wine corruption but is still preferred for the best wines, because we know how it ages. Caps are easy to use, but comes from non renewable ressource, can easily get corrupted if not correctly handled. It was created because of its low cost and easy to incorporate in the bottling process...

But it is a way to label it "table wine"

It sounds like you might be working for BIG CORK.

But, dude, I reckon you simply have a very outdated POV about capping wines.

My favorite winery on the planet:

It was among the first premium winemakers to adopt screw caps for its wines in 2001, and in 2008 pioneered the use of transparent ingredient labeling on all of its wines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonny_Doon_Vineyard

Im surprised that when they started using screw caps you didnt put them on your ignore list.

He didn't mention vintage/year,...says enough...

And euh, screw caps are made for spaghetti sauce wines in my country.

Talk about Margaux Pavilion Rouge of 1997 and I start a conversation of wine.

Not on this one...

[Morch]

There are over 100 disputed territories in the world today, I wonder how many of them result in the E.U marking this on goods from them as disputed? In other news some European Countries have been found to be buying cheap oil from IS, flaming hypocrites.

That's another Netanyahu fallacy who was mentioned earlier in OP.

He didn't mention how many of these 100 disputed territories were exploited economically by one of the parties. Some of these places are deserts, dry land, etc...and not economically interesting. Netanyahu is claiming what can't be claimed as usual!

Israel sells products made outside their sovereignty, in occupied territories. Even more they're exporting oil and gas from the Golan and the Mediterranean sea outside their legal boundaries...without EU label...

It's also known that Israel is buying Kurdish crude oil since the conflicts in Iraq and Syria at 75% discount. This was also within the hypocritical context of Netanyahu...without EU label...

Let's not even discuss the future royalties of Israeli/Saudi oil franchise in Yemen and let's concentrate on the Jaffa look alike oranges of the West Bank and their missing EU labels...

Interesting. When such arguments are used to put Israel's transgressions in perspective, they are rejected as moral relativism. But when considering other cases the criteria seems to be quantitative rather than qualitative. By this rational, it would be alright to occupy and reap economic fruits, as long as said territory is "not economically interesting". Unclear what considerations are applied in the setting of this economic interest bar.

To be clear, I do not actually have much issues with the EU insisting on marking products originating from areas which are considered to be illegally occupied. Fair enough both in terms of consumer awareness and related taxes. I do wonder if similar labeling efforts are applied to products supplied from any country involved in such territorial disputes.

Israel currently exporting oil and gas? To whom? Are there any developed fields in the Golan Heights? Is the Leviathan gas field saga all done with, production and exports on their way? Do neighboring counties currently contest Israel's rights in the Mediterranean?

What does buying Kurdish crude got to do with the topic at hand, other than making the point that similar disputed areas exist?

[Morch]

There are over 100 disputed territories in the world today, I wonder how many of them result in the E.U marking this on goods from them as disputed? In other news some European Countries have been found to be buying cheap oil from IS, flaming hypocrites.

Ahhh the old....but he murdered someone too so why cant I.... Deflection. So boring.

And the same old deflection of not addressing an issue.

The issue is quite clear: Israel settles land which is not its own.

The only ones who seem to not say "mmayyyyyyybeeeee...we should stop illegal settlements once and for all"

Yeah....and I'm asking if the EU applies the same labeling policy to all imported goods from countries involved in territorial disputes, or if this is a specific case.