Pope says 'catastrophic' if interests derail climate talks

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Pope says 'catastrophic' if interests derail climate talks
By NICOLE WINFIELD and TOM ODULA

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — Pope Francis warned Thursday that it would be "catastrophic" for world leaders to let special interest groups get in the way of a global agreement to curb fossil fuel emissions as he brought his environmental message to the heart of Africa on the eve of crucial climate change talks in Paris.

Francis issued the pointed warning in a speech to the U.N.'s regional office here after celebrating his first public Mass on the continent. The joyous, rain-soaked ceremony before 300,000 faithful saw the Argentine pope being serenaded by ululating Swahili singers, swaying nuns, Maasai tribesmen and dancing children dressed in the colors of Kenya's flag.

Francis has made ecological concerns a hallmark of his nearly 3-year-old papacy, issuing a landmark encyclical earlier this year that paired the need to care for the environment with the need to care for humanity's most vulnerable. Francis argues the two are interconnected since the poor often suffer the most from the effects of global warming, and are largely excluded from today's fossil-fuel based global economy that is heating up the planet.

On Thursday, Francis repeated that message but took particular aim at those who reject the science behind global warming. In the United States, that includes some Republican presidential candidates and lawmakers, who have opposed steps President Barack Obama has taken on his own to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

"It would be sad, and dare I say even catastrophic, were special interests to prevail over the common good and lead to manipulating information in order to protect their own plans and interests," Francis said.

He didn't elaborate, but in the United States at least, there has been a well-funded campaign that rejects the findings of 97 percent of climate scientists that global warming is likely man-made and insists that any heating of the Earth is natural. Politicians have cited these claims in their arguments that emissions cuts will hurt the economy.

Francis' message was praised by NASA historian Erik Conway, who co-wrote the 2010 book "Merchants of Doubt," which detailed the attempts by far-right institutions and like-minded scientists to discredit the science behind global warming and spread confusion in the public.

Conway said it was difficult to determine today how much money is still being directed into climate change denial since much if it goes through foundations.

"But what that funding has achieved is the nearly complete conversion of Republican Party leadership into denial of human-caused climate change as well as public confusion over the content of the science," he said in an email.

Francis, who has said global warming is "mainly" man-made, said the world was faced with a stark choice in Paris: either improve or destroy the environment. He said he hoped the Paris talks would approve a "transformational" agreement to fight poverty and protect the environment by developing a new energy system that depends on minimal fossil fuel use.

"Many are the faces, the stories and the evident effects on the lives of thousands of people for whom the culture of deterioration and waste has allowed to be sacrificed before the idols of profits and consumption," he said. "We cannot remain indifferent in the face of this. We have no right."

His speech followed a similarly emphatic one before the U.N. General Assembly in New York in September, and in various speeches on his travels to South America and Asia.

Thursday was the second day in a row that Francis had touched on environmental concerns after he arrived in Kenya for a six-day pilgrimage that also takes him to Uganda on Friday and the conflict-ridden Central African Republic.

Francis' first full day in Africa began with a meeting with about 25 Kenyan Christian and Muslim leaders. He warned them that they had little choice but to engage in dialogue to guard against the "barbarous" Islamic extremist attacks that have struck the country.

"Dialogue is not a luxury. It is not something extra or optional, but essential," he said.

He later celebrated Mass before about 300,000 people at the University of Nairobi, where he received a raucous welcome from the crowd as he zoomed around in his open-sided popemobile, some 10,000 police providing security. Some people had been at the university since 3 a.m., braving heavy showers that turned the grounds into enormous, slick mud puddles. Others waited in queues 3 kilometers (1.8 miles) deep to get close to the venue.

"I am a Catholic and I believe he is godsend," said Nelly Ndunge, 29, as she waited to see Francis at the Mass. She said Francis' visit to Kenya was a blessing because it would renew her faith - and had boosted her printing business: She said she had already sold nearly 3,000 copies of a 2016 calendar with the pope's portrait on it.

Still others turned back, fearing a stampede given the disorganized security.

"We were all disappointed," said Sarah Ondiso, a senior government official. "The organizers could have done better."

The size of the crowd - estimated by both police and the Vatican - was far smaller than the 1.4 million that Kenyan authorities had expected after declaring Thursday a national holiday. Vatican officials had predicted a maximum of a half-million people, and said the lower number was apparently due to accreditation and ticketing problems.

In his homily, Francis appealed for traditional family values, calling for Kenyans to "resist practices which foster arrogance in men, hurt or demean women, don't care for the elderly and threaten the life of the innocent unborn."

The African church is among the most conservative in the world, and African bishops have been at the forefront in insisting that traditional church teachings on marriage and sexuality, and its opposition to abortion, be strongly emphasized.

Francis obliged, but also stressed issues of his own concern: He called for Kenyans to shape a more just society that looks out for the poor and to "reject everything that leads to prejudice and discrimination, for these things are not of God."

It wasn't immediately clear what he was referring to. But in the crowd, there were Kenyans wearing t-shirts and toting umbrellas reading "Who Am I to Judge" - a reference to Francis' famous quip when asked about a purportedly gay priest. The citation has often been taken to embody Francis' insistence that gays must be welcomed in the church and not discriminated against.
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AP science writer Seth Borenstein contributed from Washington.


-- (c) Associated Press 2015-11-27

[rethaier]

The pope needs to stick with the lies he knows best. Climate change is the least of the worlds problem and only serves to divert the attention of people from the real issues.

Edited November 27, 2015 by rethaier

[Daniel Boon]

The pope needs to stick with the lies he knows best. Climate change is the least of the worlds problem and only serves to divert the attention of people from the real issues.

rethaier ... you need to retire from making stupid comments ... climate change IS the leading problem ...

[bark]

The Pope should look after his own house first. Stop the attacks on the young boys; by the Priests !

[Linky]

The Pope should look after his own house first. Stop the attacks on the young boys; by the Priests !

So you think no one can speak on things unless they are perfect?

What has his own house have to do with his comments on climate change? How about responding to what he said, attacking the messenger just doesnt cut it. Attack the message.

Good on you popey, keep the climate change up the top of considerations, its a global issue, not a local issue.

Edited November 27, 2015 by Linky

[up2u2]

It is unusual for a Pope to be so well informed and actually take the lead on environmental issues. Particularly taking the correct stand against wealthy establishment and the funding of misinformation on the issue:

"It would be sad, and dare I say even catastrophic, were special interests to prevail over the common good and lead to manipulating information in order to protect their own plans and interests," Francis said."

Although I see no real benefit in any religion on a society or any real need for it if it can take up important issues like Climate Change and make a difference then it is one small area it can improve a society. Although I would prefer people looked to actual science to form their view rather than the need for a religion to spell out the bleeding obvious.

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed.

Edit: Make that 3 posts removed.

Perhaps some suspensions for trolling, which is what some posters are doing, would help members stay on topic.

Edit: Make that 6 posts and counting.

[RuamRudy]

It wasn't so long ago that all those authority figures (Pope,US presidents, Euro govts etc) were considered 'fascist' or 'reactionary' by the liberals and the Left?

I remember well because I was one of that crowd

How come those 'fascists' now changed their tune and care oh-so-much about humanity and the environment?

I smell a rat.

..and btw...have you noticed that they -implicitly- point downward towards the Great Unwashed as being the problem?

I smell another rat.

Is it not more that the current Pope represents a very different, more down to earth direction for the Catholic church? I guess you could call it a cynical ploy, but I (as a non-believer) prefer to think it is a genuine change for the better.

As a member of the great unwashed, we maybe do not contribute more to climate change per head, but collectively we do the most damage. Modify the behaviour of the masses a little, and the impact can be significant.

[oneday]

Heck, it doesn't matter if world leaders actually make a "global agreement" Mr. Pope, because there is just no way enough countries will actually do what is needed to curb global warning before it's too late.

This world is going to be a very unpleasant place to live in the next 50-100 years.

[gigman]

Get rid of all religions and world climate will be really fine forever.

[RickBradford]

The Pope is simply a well-meaning dupe for people with much more sinister agendas than his.

For example, he has been fooled into adopting the mendacious phrase "climate change".

This isn't about "climate change". What we were promised is "man-made global warming" and lots of it. First, because if it's not "man-made", then we shouldn't be going around punishing people for causing it. And second, any resultant climate change (storms, floods, droughts) is driven by and depends on the "global warming", and only the global warming. No warming = no climate change.

It is a favourite ploy of the Green/Left to use the fake term "climate change". It means that they can blame anybody for everything and therefore try to regulate, tax and punish, while awarding themselves more power.

Given the people he allowed to advise him on these matters, it is hardly a surprise that the Pope fell for it. A pity, though.

[seedy]

One Troll / Flaming post removed

As was said above - Troll and Stroll

[stevenl]

The Pope is simply a well-meaning dupe for people with much more sinister agendas than his.

For example, he has been fooled into adopting the mendacious phrase "climate change".

This isn't about "climate change". What we were promised is "man-made global warming" and lots of it. First, because if it's not "man-made", then we shouldn't be going around punishing people for causing it. And second, any resultant climate change (storms, floods, droughts) is driven by and depends on the "global warming", and only the global warming. No warming = no climate change.

It is a favourite ploy of the Green/Left to use the fake term "climate change". It means that they can blame anybody for everything and therefore try to regulate, tax and punish, while awarding themselves more power.

Given the people he allowed to advise him on these matters, it is hardly a surprise that the Pope fell for it. A pity, though.

Time and time again your opinion here has been proven nonsense. Manmade climate change is a fact, denying it only makes the consequences much worse.

[RickBradford]

Time and time again you miss the point with such ridiculous ease it can only be deliberate.

"Man-made climate change" cannot occur without "man-made global warming."

As I specifically wrote, it is the warming, and only the warming, which is supposed to drive all the other "climate change" effects such as droughts, floods, storms etc.

So let's call it what it is, "man-made global warming", and stop trying to weasel out of it with meaningless phrases like " climate change".

That is my point; I said nothing at all about whether it has been "proved" or not.

[stevenl]

Time and time again you miss the point with such ridiculous ease it can only be deliberate.

"Man-made climate change" cannot occur without "man-made global warming."

As I specifically wrote, it is the warming, and only the warming, which is supposed to drive all the other "climate change" effects such as droughts, floods, storms etc.

So let's call it what it is, "man-made global warming", and stop trying to weasel out of it with meaningless phrases like " climate change".

That is my point; I said nothing at all about whether it has been "proved" or not.

Your intentions are clear, the only one weaseling out of things is you.

[RickBradford]

^^

Lame, even by your admittedly low standards.

The Alarmists got too scared to refer to "man-made global warming" a few years back, and dropped it in favour of the meaningless "climate change", in the hope that they could pin every raindrop on "climate change", if necessary.

If they had any integrity whatever, they would openly acknowledge their own theory, which is that industrial emissions of CO2 are causing the earth to warm up unusually fast. That is what is meant by "man-made global warming" and that is what the debate should be about. But the Alarmists are too cowardly even to stand publicly by their own theory.

[shirtless]

Its strange no one talks about all the radiation entering the pacific ocean, if these guys were serious , you would need to ban all fossil fuel powered machinery we know this will never happen, Sadly the church needs to stick with what they do best and that is SELLING HOPE

[Pimay1]

She said Francis' visit to Kenya was a blessing because it would renew her faith - and had boosted her printing business: She said she had already sold nearly 3,000 copies of a 2016 calendar with the pope's portrait on it.

Good one.

[stevenl]

^^

Lame, even by your admittedly low standards.

The Alarmists got too scared to refer to "man-made global warming" a few years back, and dropped it in favour of the meaningless "climate change", in the hope that they could pin every raindrop on "climate change", if necessary.

If they had any integrity whatever, they would openly acknowledge their own theory, which is that industrial emissions of CO2 are causing the earth to warm up unusually fast. That is what is meant by "man-made global warming" and that is what the debate should be about. But the Alarmists are too cowardly even to stand publicly by their own theory.

What a load of crap. I'm out of here. Edited November 29, 2015 by stevenl