UK expats for EU exit

[jpinx]

The issue is not "what would *you* do?" The issue is that the politicians are doing *nothing*

I suspect they are doing more than you imagine.

Not so. No politician did *anything* without crowing about it....

[jpinx]

Having been in business for 40 years - I would pull the plug today

Out of curiousity, what business ?

Sorry - I should not have responded to the personalised question before.

[alanrchase]

A lot of the Brexit supporters are exhibiting the Dunning-Kruger effect. They overestimate the limited knowledge they have whilst simply having no awareness of the gaps that they have.

I spent about half of each year working overseas on behalf of British companies. I have spent three of the last twelve months negotiating joint ventures in China.

I have seen it (incorrectly) stated that the EU has no trade agreement with China.

In fact, not only does the EU have numerous trade agreements with China, it also has many officials and experts based in Beijing to support the trade of EU member countries. In fact I am right now working with some Beijing-based EU tax experts in trying to recover overpaid Chinese Witholding Tax on behalf of a UK company.

The UK has very limited infrastructure to promote business in China. This infrastructure can be expanded over time, but it will not come cheap and it will not be easy. The Chinese will give nothing unless the UK also gives.

Let me further illustrate some of the issues.

I do some work a UK company that supplies specialised sensors for automotive, aerospace and process markets. The sensor elements are designed in the UK. They are fabricated in Malaysia and China, before shipping to the UK for QA/calibration and packaging. They enter the UK tariff-free thanks to EU trade agreements. Once packaged they then go to European customers such as Siemens and Temic for inegration into harnesses and systems. Some of these finished products will then make their way back to end users in the UK, such as Honda, Jaguar, BAe.

The impact of leaving the EEA single market and defaulting to WTO rules would be completely devastating for this company. Costs would rise 20-25%. They would need to relocate into the EEA to stay in business.

The Friday after the Leave result the management circulated an email to all staff stating that only essential 'core expenditure' will be permitted until the future economic direction of the country becomes clear.

What the UK is potentially about to do is take the role of an economic suicide bomber. Blowing up our economy and in so doing exposing the EU to some collatoral damage. The Brexit leader all have big egos. If they thought there was going to be a bright future outside the EU they would stick around to be involved and take some of the glory. But they have all (remarkably quickly) left the scene.

I quite agree that there are many things wrong with the EU, but they should have been worked out from within - restructuring the EU with support from other Eurosceptic countries.

If the UK stays within the EEA then the economic consequences of Brexit could be quite modest. If we leave the EEA then they will be severe.

Its no use saying that the UK used to control one-third of the world. Its not the 1870's any more. Its not even the 1970's. Obtaining trade agreements with countries like India and China is agonisingly complex. Even a simple joint-venture agreement between a Chinese and UK company will take about one for Chinese ministry of trade approval to be give - AFTER submission of all documentation etc.

Your illustration is a good example of knee-jerk management. There will be no changes to the arrangements that company has untul the UK *actually* leaves the EU -- a process that will not start until article 50 is invoked, which will not happen until UK politicians stop running around like headless chickens.

Is it not all opinions? You are right I am wrong? The undeniable farce is that both sides promised what could not be delivered.

[GuestHouse]

Having been in business for 40 years - I would pull the plug today

Out of curiousity, what business ?

Sorry - I should not have responded to the personalised question before.

Obviously not a business in international markets or you'd have been climbing over yourself to tell us of your personal experience of regulations, taxes, tarrifs and trade deals.

As it is you leave us to conclude you have no experience of international trade, business, projects, contracts or work from the blatently missing veracity of anything you have to say on the matter.

I'll guess plumber, window fitter or builder.

;-)

[chiang mai]

Well yes but, with the drop in value those pounds are worth a lot less in global purchasing value.

Sterling has become an unstable currency with a dramatic drop in such a short period of time with no clear sign that the underlying political issues are going to be resolved any time soon. That instability has been immediately reflected in the stock markets but has yet to filter down into real world issues for people in the uk which is the effect on jobs and inflation.

Measured in sterling my net worth has gone up 6.9% in the first six months of the year which, as a Brit, I would normally be quite chuffed about, however, I don't buy anything here in pounds so a more realistic figure would be the 5.9% drop in value measured in baht or the longer term view I prefer of 3.8% down in USD terms.

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Okay -- so what is the standard by which we should be measuring the value of a currency? the US$ ? gold? A basket of other currencies? It's all opinion and basically fiction. The ONLY standard is *confidence*, and that is what the UK politicians are robbing from Sterling with every day that passes without a clear vision of the future. The vote was to Leave -- please do it NOW! ....and watch sterling rebound

Why not tell us what you think a sensible time frame is for Brexit, perhaps start with, "select a PM" and take us through the key/major steps which takes us to final having severed all ties with those nasty Europeans, if indeed that's your end point?

Having been in business for 40 years - I would pull the plug today

There's a reason why the Treaty allocates 2 years for this process and it's got nothing to do with stalling tactics, but it has a lot to do with the scale and complexity of the tasks involved.

[alanrchase]

Well yes but, with the drop in value those pounds are worth a lot less in global purchasing value.

Sterling has become an unstable currency with a dramatic drop in such a short period of time with no clear sign that the underlying political issues are going to be resolved any time soon. That instability has been immediately reflected in the stock markets but has yet to filter down into real world issues for people in the uk which is the effect on jobs and inflation.

Measured in sterling my net worth has gone up 6.9% in the first six months of the year which, as a Brit, I would normally be quite chuffed about, however, I don't buy anything here in pounds so a more realistic figure would be the 5.9% drop in value measured in baht or the longer term view I prefer of 3.8% down in USD terms.

==================

Okay -- so what is the standard by which we should be measuring the value of a currency? the US$ ? gold? A basket of other currencies? It's all opinion and basically fiction. The ONLY standard is *confidence*, and that is what the UK politicians are robbing from Sterling with every day that passes without a clear vision of the future. The vote was to Leave -- please do it NOW! ....and watch sterling rebound

I wouldn't use gold as a benchmark as the price can be volatile across all currencies. A basket of currencies would probably be a better measure but, since you would have to exclude the currency you want to measure, would take a bit more time to evaluate so, as much as it pains me, I would go for USD as it is used in the majority of intl transactions.

I would agree with you that decisive leadership is needed now in the UK so that there is a clear path of where we are going that will allow businesses to plan for the future and that triggering article 50 should be a part of that, however, I disagree that by doing that the pound will rebound as I think the current level is just a stop gap as the markets still feel there is a chance that it will not be triggered. Though I think the suggestions of parity with the USD are overblown I would expect a further drop to around the $1.15/$1.20 level which would be the 'new normal' until how we are going to be dealing with the EU and the rest of the world is resolved which will take several years.

Nice considered post. You may turn out to be wrong. At least you had the decency to explain your point of view. One of the better posts.

[HauptmannUK]

I think the Remain side basically said that things would stay the same but with some tinkering with immigration rules etc.

Brexit promised to Take Back Control - I was never clear on the What, How, Who of this. £350m extra a week was supposed to be going into the NHS and VAT removed from fuel. Not much chance of any of that happening, I suspect.

I think Brexit was promoted almost like some form of religion, with different interpretations according to the various denominations. Thus we had the 'moderates' who followed Boris, through to the more hard-line 'fundamentalists' who followed Farage. Its been more about 'faith' than 'facts'.

[jpinx]

Having been in business for 40 years - I would pull the plug today

Out of curiousity, what business ?

Sorry - I should not have responded to the personalised question before.

Obviously not a business in international markets or you'd have been climbing over yourself to tell us of your personal experience of regulations, taxes, tarrifs and trade deals.

As it is you leave us to conclude you have no experience of international trade, business, projects, contracts or work from the blatently missing veracity of anything you have to say on the matter.

I'll guess plumber, window fitter or builder.

;-)

Your insults do you no favours. Please refrain from personalised baiting and stick to the topic in accordance with the forum rules.

[jpinx]

I think the Remain side basically said that things would stay the same but with some tinkering with immigration rules etc.

Brexit promised to Take Back Control - I was never clear on the What, How, Who of this. £350m extra a week was supposed to be going into the NHS and VAT removed from fuel. Not much chance of any of that happening, I suspect.

I think Brexit was promoted almost like some form of religion, with different interpretations according to the various denominations. Thus we had the 'moderates' who followed Boris, through to the more hard-line 'fundamentalists' who followed Farage. Its been more about 'faith' than 'facts'.

When I was young we were not allowed to talk about religion, football or politics at the dinner table. Poor little Portugal have seen off the rest of the EU very nicely - there is a silver lining! Nationalism is often a "religion" -- but so European-ism. It's a vision based on ideals, not facts. So many UK people have been uncomfortable with being in the EU it was only a question of time before nationalism rebounded. Now the question is -- are the politicians patriotic enough to fulfill the wishes of the majority of the UK people?

[jpinx]

Well yes but, with the drop in value those pounds are worth a lot less in global purchasing value.

Sterling has become an unstable currency with a dramatic drop in such a short period of time with no clear sign that the underlying political issues are going to be resolved any time soon. That instability has been immediately reflected in the stock markets but has yet to filter down into real world issues for people in the uk which is the effect on jobs and inflation.

Measured in sterling my net worth has gone up 6.9% in the first six months of the year which, as a Brit, I would normally be quite chuffed about, however, I don't buy anything here in pounds so a more realistic figure would be the 5.9% drop in value measured in baht or the longer term view I prefer of 3.8% down in USD terms.

==================

Okay -- so what is the standard by which we should be measuring the value of a currency? the US$ ? gold? A basket of other currencies? It's all opinion and basically fiction. The ONLY standard is *confidence*, and that is what the UK politicians are robbing from Sterling with every day that passes without a clear vision of the future. The vote was to Leave -- please do it NOW! ....and watch sterling rebound

Why not tell us what you think a sensible time frame is for Brexit, perhaps start with, "select a PM" and take us through the key/major steps which takes us to final having severed all ties with those nasty Europeans, if indeed that's your end point?

Having been in business for 40 years - I would pull the plug today

There's a reason why the Treaty allocates 2 years for this process and it's got nothing to do with stalling tactics, but it has a lot to do with the scale and complexity of the tasks involved.

Fine - -I don't entirely agree - but the issue is it must start TODAY -- actually it should have started the day after the referendum result was confirmed. This further highlights the total recklessness of the politicians in allowing the uncertainty to continue.. Right or Wrong - the UK is leaving. Now roll up your collective sleeves and make it happen. Every day in limbo reduces confidence and devalues *both* currencies - obviously sterling moreso. I had a low opinion of politicians before this referendum result, but now I would line them all up and shoot them as traitors, for not acting decisively according to the result.

Where is Maggie Thatcher when you need her?????

Edited July 11, 2016 by jpinx

[Naam]

Fine - -I don't entirely agree - but the issue is it must start TODAY -- actually it should have started the day after the referendum result was confirmed. This further highlights the total recklessness of the politicians in allowing the uncertainty to continue.. Right or Wrong - the UK is leaving. Now roll up your collective sleeves and make it happen. Every day in limbo reduces confidence and devalues *both* currencies - obviously sterling moreso. I had a low opinion of politicians before this referendum result, but now I would line them all up and shoot them as traitors, for not acting decisively according to the result.

Where is Maggie Thatcher when you need her?????

you do make sense. not always but... once in a while. carry on!

[GuestHouse]

Your insults do you no favours. Please refrain from personalised baiting and stick to the topic in accordance with the forum rules.

Forgive me jpinx, it seems my post did not come across as intended.

I do not believe it possible to insult someone by referring to honest work or business they do/have done.

I am also aware of the forum rules.

But you introduced your 40 years in business into the discussion, stating " having been in business for 40 years" you would "pull the plug today"

You have expressed an opinuon based on your personal business experience, it makes sense to question what that business was.

If your business was in aerospace trading across multiple borders, with the EU and tge rest of the world then your experience would be very different than,say, a jobbing plumber who lost trade to immigrant plumbers.

It is you who introduced references to your business. I've asked for clarification, the logic of which is explained above.

All of the businesses I have mentioned are honest and honorable ways to make a living, I hope you will accept I intended no insult to you or anyone working in those trades or businesses.

Edited July 11, 2016 by GuestHouse

[Naam]

I think the Remain side basically said that things would stay the same but with some tinkering with immigration rules etc.

Brexit promised to Take Back Control - I was never clear on the What, How, Who of this. £350m extra a week was supposed to be going into the NHS and VAT removed from fuel. Not much chance of any of that happening, I suspect.

I think Brexit was promoted almost like some form of religion, with different interpretations according to the various denominations. Thus we had the 'moderates' who followed Boris, through to the more hard-line 'fundamentalists' who followed Farage. Its been more about 'faith' than 'facts'.

for starters... the

£350m extra a week

was a blatant lie in addition to a bunch of semi-truths. leavers had the chance to inform themselves, but they didn't. and those who were in charge of the remain movement missed the chance. a major reason for losing the referendum.

[jpinx]

Your insults do you no favours. Please refrain from personalised baiting and stick to the topic in accordance with the forum rules.

Forgive me jpinx, it seems my post did not come across as intended.

I do not believe it possible to insult someone by referring to honest work or business they do/have done.

I am also aware of the forum rules.

But you introduced your 40 years in business into the discussion, stating " having been in business for 40 years" you would "pull the plug today"

You have expressed an opinuon based on your personal business experience, it makes sense to question what that business was.

If your business was in aerospace trading across multiple borders, with the EU and tge rest of the world then your experience would be very different than,say, a jobbing plumber who lost trade to immigrant plumbers.

It is you who introduced references to your business. I've asked for clarification, the logic of which is explained above.

All of the businesses I have mentioned are honest and honorable ways to make a living, I hope you will accept I intended no insult to you or anyone working in those trades or businesses.

Indeed - and I apologise for my part in our mutual mis-understanding. Suffice to say that you hit the nail squarely on the head with your posit of an international business.

Edited July 11, 2016 by jpinx

[jpinx]

I think the Remain side basically said that things would stay the same but with some tinkering with immigration rules etc.

Brexit promised to Take Back Control - I was never clear on the What, How, Who of this. £350m extra a week was supposed to be going into the NHS and VAT removed from fuel. Not much chance of any of that happening, I suspect.

I think Brexit was promoted almost like some form of religion, with different interpretations according to the various denominations. Thus we had the 'moderates' who followed Boris, through to the more hard-line 'fundamentalists' who followed Farage. Its been more about 'faith' than 'facts'.

for starters... the

£350m extra a week

was a blatant lie in addition to a bunch of semi-truths. leavers had the chance to inform themselves, but they didn't. and those who were in charge of the remain movement missed the chance. a major reason for losing the referendum.

It's all lies, smoke and mirrors ! Even the IMF have said that the EU is not able to live within it's means, but there's no sign of anyone in Brussels actually doing anything about that -- apart from asking members for bigger contributions.

[Naam]

It's all lies, smoke and mirrors ! Even the IMF have said that the EU is not able to live within it's means, but there's no sign of anyone in Brussels actually doing anything about that -- apart from asking members for bigger contributions.

except for your IMF reference i fully agree with you. but what do you expect that the parasites in Brussels do? cut themselves off from the honey pot?

cleaning out that Augias stable could have been done by a concerted action by the governments of Germany, Britain, France and a fistful other countries with reasonable politicians. but reality is that the top politicians of these countries won't do anything which could endanger their reelection

[jpinx]

............. but reality is that the top politicians of these countries won't do anything which could endanger their reelection

......and there's the nub of it

[alanrchase]

I think the Remain side basically said that things would stay the same but with some tinkering with immigration rules etc.

Brexit promised to Take Back Control - I was never clear on the What, How, Who of this. £350m extra a week was supposed to be going into the NHS and VAT removed from fuel. Not much chance of any of that happening, I suspect.

I think Brexit was promoted almost like some form of religion, with different interpretations according to the various denominations. Thus we had the 'moderates' who followed Boris, through to the more hard-line 'fundamentalists' who followed Farage. Its been more about 'faith' than 'facts'.

When I was young we were not allowed to talk about religion, football or politics at the dinner table. Poor little Portugal have seen off the rest of the EU very nicely - there is a silver lining! Nationalism is often a "religion" -- but so European-ism. It's a vision based on ideals, not facts. So many UK people have been uncomfortable with being in the EU it was only a question of time before nationalism rebounded. Now the question is -- are the politicians patriotic enough to fulfill the wishes of the majority of the UK people?

I happen to be British, born in Germany. What are the wishes of the UK people? Everyone seems to like telling others what to think.

[MissAndry]

I happen to be British, born in Germany. What are the wishes of the UK people? Everyone seems to like telling others what to think.

A lot of the remainers seem to want to tell the leavers how they should have voted, and explain how regretful many of the leavers are now.

I guess they are using the same psychics to predict other peoples thoughts that Cameron did.

I'm still happy to leave, and still want it done the day after the leave vote won.

Edited July 11, 2016 by MissAndry

[jpinx]

It's all lies, smoke and mirrors ! Even the IMF have said that the EU is not able to live within it's means, but there's no sign of anyone in Brussels actually doing anything about that -- apart from asking members for bigger contributions.

except for your IMF reference i fully agree with you. but what do you expect that the parasites in Brussels do? cut themselves off from the honey pot?

cleaning out that Augias stable could have been done by a concerted action by the governments of Germany, Britain, France and a fistful other countries with reasonable politicians. but reality is that the top politicians of these countries won't do anything which could endanger their reelection

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[alanrchase]

I happen to be British, born in Germany. What are the wishes of the UK people? Everyone seems to like telling others what to think.

A lot of the remainers seem to want to tell the leavers how they should have voted, and explain how regretful many of the leavers are now.

I guess they are using the same psychics to predict other peoples thoughts that Cameron did.

I'm still happy to leave, and still want it done the day after the leave vote won.

Why do you keep harping back to remainers. The Leave vote won. Can you not accept your own decision?

[nong38]

As an aside - it is becoming very obvious that the Remainers are scared of the hard work this Brexit will involve. The Leavers have not gone into this without knowing it's going to hurt for a while, like any divorce, but it's not going to kill any of the politicians and negotiators to actually roll their sleeves up and get on with it. The thing that's holding UK back now is the almost-criminal dithering of the politicians. If anything is going to cause UK a problem it is the delay in this process..

As a previous poster suggested earlier, the ground work is being firmly laid for the Remain camp to be blamed if everything doesn't run smoothly and/or if parts of the separation are delivered late, your post is an extension of that.

What's also truly alarming is the denials in various threads that nothing has yet changed ergo, there's been no impact from the early stages of the Brexit decision, as if a ten per cent fall in the value of the Pound to a 31 year low against USD is nothing. Increasingly it's becoming crystal clear that the same bunch of loonies who voted for Brexit without really understanding what they were voting for and without any appreciation for the economic implications, are the same people who are now trying to paper over the financial cracks/looming chasms and continue to blame the establishment or old guard for any outcome that doesn't match their personal expectations.

Voter demographics at the outset were spot on, a majority of Brexiteers are not well educated and increasingly the referendum continues to be a "haves" versus the "have nots" issue rather than anything related to what was claimed.

I think you have hit another nail on the head there, the Remainers seem to think that the Leavers are not educated enough to make the right decision as if they are no more than a bunch of thickos, to be be truly a person on education and superior interlect you must be a remainer. A very insolent way of thinking and perhaps another reason why so many people voted to leave. Anyone who could not see that remain was the obvious position must be stupid.

I on the other hand think that anyone who would want to stay in a club that cannot sign off its accounts for 20 years and has admitted they cannot live within their budget to the tune of £259B must be stupid, the place is out of control and its best we get out before it takes us with it.

Even the IMF now says that the EU cannot continue in its present form so what will it look like in the future. If it does continue in its present form tell me what it will look like in the future? No one can can they, we just dont know, its all speculation but given their past record it does not look good, others are now talking of referendums, Switzerland has withdrawn its application. If it starts to fall apart how will they get out of the Euro, adopt their own currency again or opt for the $ or the £?

South Korea now wants a free trade deal with us, seems like a lot want to have a free trade with us but not hearing much about any prospect with the EU, please tell me I am wrong.

It is clear that the UK will need many trade negotiators over the next couple of years, we have enough in place I believe, it will take time, as long as it needs to get the right deal but it will be done. I am sue that the EU will want a deal as well.

Again all the pessimists and the " I am holier than though" "I know better than you" are based in the Remain camp, the optimists are in the Leave camp. The Leave camp won the decision so all that remainers can do now is to either accept things, which seems unlikely or continue with reasons not to succeed or patronize the low intelligence of people who do not share their opinions.

No one likes to lose, but some accept it better than others.

I would have preferred to remain. I accept the result. What has become clear is the leave camp had no plan. The leavers seem to be moaning more than the remainers. Moaning that you won? The Aussies at work were right, we are a bunch of whingers.

What has beomeclear is that the government had no plan should there be a vote leave and there should have been, thye will have to get moving now that error, thats what they are paid for.

[alanrchase]

As an aside - it is becoming very obvious that the Remainers are scared of the hard work this Brexit will involve. The Leavers have not gone into this without knowing it's going to hurt for a while, like any divorce, but it's not going to kill any of the politicians and negotiators to actually roll their sleeves up and get on with it. The thing that's holding UK back now is the almost-criminal dithering of the politicians. If anything is going to cause UK a problem it is the delay in this process..

As a previous poster suggested earlier, the ground work is being firmly laid for the Remain camp to be blamed if everything doesn't run smoothly and/or if parts of the separation are delivered late, your post is an extension of that.

What's also truly alarming is the denials in various threads that nothing has yet changed ergo, there's been no impact from the early stages of the Brexit decision, as if a ten per cent fall in the value of the Pound to a 31 year low against USD is nothing. Increasingly it's becoming crystal clear that the same bunch of loonies who voted for Brexit without really understanding what they were voting for and without any appreciation for the economic implications, are the same people who are now trying to paper over the financial cracks/looming chasms and continue to blame the establishment or old guard for any outcome that doesn't match their personal expectations.

Voter demographics at the outset were spot on, a majority of Brexiteers are not well educated and increasingly the referendum continues to be a "haves" versus the "have nots" issue rather than anything related to what was claimed.

I think you have hit another nail on the head there, the Remainers seem to think that the Leavers are not educated enough to make the right decision as if they are no more than a bunch of thickos, to be be truly a person on education and superior interlect you must be a remainer. A very insolent way of thinking and perhaps another reason why so many people voted to leave. Anyone who could not see that remain was the obvious position must be stupid.

I on the other hand think that anyone who would want to stay in a club that cannot sign off its accounts for 20 years and has admitted they cannot live within their budget to the tune of £259B must be stupid, the place is out of control and its best we get out before it takes us with it.

Even the IMF now says that the EU cannot continue in its present form so what will it look like in the future. If it does continue in its present form tell me what it will look like in the future? No one can can they, we just dont know, its all speculation but given their past record it does not look good, others are now talking of referendums, Switzerland has withdrawn its application. If it starts to fall apart how will they get out of the Euro, adopt their own currency again or opt for the $ or the £?

South Korea now wants a free trade deal with us, seems like a lot want to have a free trade with us but not hearing much about any prospect with the EU, please tell me I am wrong.

It is clear that the UK will need many trade negotiators over the next couple of years, we have enough in place I believe, it will take time, as long as it needs to get the right deal but it will be done. I am sue that the EU will want a deal as well.

Again all the pessimists and the " I am holier than though" "I know better than you" are based in the Remain camp, the optimists are in the Leave camp. The Leave camp won the decision so all that remainers can do now is to either accept things, which seems unlikely or continue with reasons not to succeed or patronize the low intelligence of people who do not share their opinions.

No one likes to lose, but some accept it better than others.

I would have preferred to remain. I accept the result. What has become clear is the leave camp had no plan. The leavers seem to be moaning more than the remainers. Moaning that you won? The Aussies at work were right, we are a bunch of whingers.

What has beomeclear is that the government had no plan should there be a vote leave and there should have been, thye will have to get moving now that error, thats what they are paid for.

Should the Remain camp have a plan? Surely the leave camp needed one. Not a problem, let's blame Cameron. A strange vaccume has appeared with none of the major players willing to stand up.

[Orac]

Rumours are that Leadsom is going to drop out of the tory leadership battle today which could hopefully move things along a bit quicker unless they bring back Gove.

[MissAndry]

Should the Remain camp have a plan? Surely the leave camp needed one. Not a problem, let's blame Cameron. A strange vaccume has appeared with none of the major players willing to stand up.

If anyone would like to elect me PM, I would be more than happy to present my plan.

Step 1

Cancel all car orders with Germany

Step 2

Get out before the EU asks the UK for it's share of the (approximate) 400 Billion Euro Banks bail out.

Step 3

Escort all foreigners without British passports or valid UK VISAs to the airport or ferry.

I have another 10-20 steps, but I'll need my PMs pension and housing allowance sorted out before I show them.

Not to mention time to consult with all the bankers and big corporations first, and see their best offers for selling you all out and doing a U-turn on everything.

Edited July 11, 2016 by MissAndry

[evadgib]

If anyone's hit a nail it's Pat Condell

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[alanrchase]

Should the Remain camp have a plan? Surely the leave camp needed one. Not a problem, let's blame Cameron. A strange vaccume has appeared with none of the major players willing to stand up.

If anyone would like to elect me PM, I would be more than happy to present my plan.

Step 1

Cancel all car orders with Germany

Step 2

Get out before the EU asks the UK for it's share of the (approximate) 400 Billion Euro Banks bail out.

Step 3

Escort all foreigners without British passports or valid UK VISAs to the airport or ferry.

I have another 10-20 steps, but I'll need my PMs pension and housing allowance sorted out before I show them.

Not to mention time to consult with all the bankers and big corporations first, and see their best offers for selling you all out and doing a U-turn on everything.

Do you wish to become recognised by your real name so I can vote for you?

[Jip99]

Should the Remain camp have a plan? Surely the leave camp needed one. Not a problem, let's blame Cameron. A strange vaccume has appeared with none of the major players willing to stand up.

You seem to fail to realise that ONLY the government can manage the exit process.

You can't create a sub-committe of Farage, Johnson, Gove, Stuart et al to undertake the task.

Do you not find it slightly pathetic that Cameron did not have a plan in place ready to implement if the vote went against him ?

He could have called it "Plan B" - most normal people do.

Neglect !!

[GuestHouse]

Should the Remain camp have a plan? Surely the leave camp needed one. Not a problem, let's blame Cameron. A strange vaccume has appeared with none of the major players willing to stand up.

You seem to fail to realise that ONLY the government can manage the exit process.

You can't create a sub-committe of Farage, Johnson, Gove, Stuart et al to undertake the task.

Do you not find it slightly pathetic that Cameron did not have a plan in place ready to implement if the vote went against him ?

He could have called it "Plan B" - most normal people do.

Neglect !!

Well Leadsom is leading none, now that she's dropped out of the race for PM.

So Brexit, no plan and no leader.

[alanrchase]

Should the Remain camp have a plan? Surely the leave camp needed one. Not a problem, let's blame Cameron. A strange vaccume has appeared with none of the major players willing to stand up.

You seem to fail to realise that ONLY the government can manage the exit process.

You can't create a sub-committe of Farage, Johnson, Gove, Stuart et al to undertake the task.

Do you not find it slightly pathetic that Cameron did not have a plan in place ready to implement if the vote went against him ?

He could have called it "Plan B" - most normal people do.

Neglect !!

I will accept that Cameron should have given a bit more thought to his decision. How the leave camp have managed to scurry away without a trace is more worrying.