Thai Immigration nab 110 foreigners in overstay, criminal cases

[NoshowJones]

I know one American that has been here on overstay for something like 6 years now. He is not of the brown or black persuasion though....funny that....

If you know one, how many more know? He must be a bit of an idiot for not keeping his mouth shut.

I would bet it is only a matter of time before he is caught, and I also find it hard to believe he has been getting away with it for six years.

[dapperdan]

Thais do not want their country messed up like my country USA with black people 78% prisons filled females and males. So I understand what their saying. So say what you want to. But a fact is a fact

Seeing as we can say what we like here, how about this: there were no black people in North America until your inbred forefathers decided it was okay to capture them and enslave them, ship them in their tens of thousands across perilous seas, murdering and raping many thousands in the process...

Proud to be white eh....

EDIT: And this was after murdering all the real Native Americans...

The British brought the Africans to America. They bought them from Arabs and rival African tribal chiefs. Native Americans owned slaves themselves and were totally free unless they were violent. The native Americans wound up with valuable land and now have money making casinos robbing the whites of their money.

"The British brought the Africans to America."

As I said: until your inbred forefathers decided it was okay to capture them and enslave them.

Guess that includes buying them too...

I'm sure they would have been better off running around the jungles of Africa eating monkey meat and fighting off Ebola and starvationn

[Michael8511]

Good job, they should have started earlier to clean out the people that can't take the time to get correct visas, everyone that have a clean back ground can get a proper Visa, yes it cost money but it helps keeping unwanted people out. Next I hope they hit the language schools that so many uses to be able to stay and work illegally in the country. It just destroy for us that do the right thing and follow the immigration laws.

Overstaying doesn't destroy anything for others.

This is just a false claim which has no merit at all.

That would be like saying people who commit crimes makes it harder for people who are law abiding.

Every country around the world has those which follow the law to the tie,

and those that don't.

That's just society.

Usually a person on overstay would consider keeping a low profile,

therefore not likely to commit any crimes which might draw attention to them.

Of course there are always exceptions,

as some people are not very bright in the first place,

even with a Visa in hand.

Same goes with the teacher working without work permits,

the fact that they are out there, doesn't effect those who have them.

For all the TV member,

it's certain that you come from a country which also has it's own immigration issues,

and when you're in your home country, you most likely think very little about it...

most likely even willing to hire these low cost laborers,

since they perform work that the local society isn't interested in doing themselves.

There are all sorts of articles in the headlines addressing the issues on how to deal respectfully with the migrants flowing into various countries, and how countries should be more compassionate about these people sneaking across the boarders,

even though they are putting huge strains on the governments to support them.

Here that isn't the case, there is hardly if any strain placed on the government from these types of people who are overstaying their visa.

They simple find a way to support themselves, and make due with whatever they have.

We could only wish this could be the case back in our countries of origin.

So the systems in place could be used for which they were intended...

on the citizens, but in fact they are mostly spent supporting migrants who wish to have a free pass for a improved life,

in a foreign country of their choice.

Some may seek a Visa, only when they are already standing upon the boarder, not before leaving their own country;

but at the end of the day, if they aren't given one, they just look for a way to sneak across the boarders.

Some may state they are migrants!

What's the difference between a migrant and an overstay?

A migrant is some one that have immigrated to a country legally, overstay is a person that doesn't care about rules in that country, or for any reason can't extend their visa so they stay as a illegal immigrant. I'm from the US and we have a lot of Mexicans and Filipinos that overstay and work without legal rights. That no problem for me but the bigger problem is that when it's a census their family's does not count to the area, I my self live in a area with a large population of illegal immigrants and it effect school district, hospitals in a negative way. Even voting districts are affected by the fact that in my area around 40% are undocumented immigrants and the hospitals emergency room act as their primary Doctor since they don't gave the right to refuse to treat uninsured people, their kids that are citizen at birth go to school and the school district looses funding due to these kids don't show up in any official counts. Here in Thailand is a different situation, the people that are overstaying their visas are in many cases educated farangs that are to young to get the retirement visa and are not ready to get married, or in some cases people like you say stay low but have something to hide. I personally think that people should do the right thing specially here I Thailand. In the us I understand that people from poor countries with high unemployment come there and work, and I totally support Obamas path to citizenship, that so many republicans are against and more will be against it now with Trumps lunatic ideas.

[NoshowJones]

They are visiting schools. They came yesterday to our school in samut praksn. If you don't have proper documentation to teach beware.they caught one teacher from USA with no work permit. He was teaching with a tourist visa

Tell me why the school where you teach; hired someone without a work permit. OR why they did not help him get one, when they hired him ???

Because most schools to not have the where with all to make the paperwork for a Non B and Work Permit, they have no experience whatsoever... You are native English speaker...you want job?

I got sick and tired of educating school directors as to the paper work required by Thai Consulates for Non B's and the paper work required by the MOE for a work permit. Since a Thai has never had to do this himself how could you expect him to to this for a foreigner.

This country is paperwork on the brain. did I say brain????

[NoshowJones]

Round up all the illegal Thais in L.A. and send them back. I guarantee there would be thousands. How many of the legal ones pay taxes? 1% Donald Trump for president.

A lot of them won't make enough salary to pay taxes, that's why they are illegal and some school directors end up with deep pockets.

A blue eyed blonde guy on gate duty, keeps the parents happy.

[condo bought]

20k a head certainly adds up.

Surprised they aren't checking every 'Alien' they see.

[elgordo38]

Has it ever struck you as odd that in a country as large as Thailand, immigration finding and processing the overstay of foreigners is a headline in a national newspaper.

If you read national newspapers of most countries this type of day to day activity by immigration is never reported unless it is a significantly large number of people or if the people involved are committing some type of active crime (as opposed to a passive crime such as overstaying).

Lesson learned in life if you do not pat yourself on the back no one else will. I noticed in the article that this "push" was on only for a certain period of the month so what about the rest of the time. Is this a musical chairs game??

[fekman]

Pic is hysterical. Looks like two of them wore their own prison jumpsuits. Dude on the right with the glasses is classic! LOL. Looks like they just grabbed him off the streets for the pic to reduce the 'profiling look'.

[jspill]

20k a head certainly adds up.

Surprised they aren't checking every 'Alien' they see.

what typically happens to the people arrested? Is this the 20,000baht fine situation? and if they cant pay? Bangkok Hilton?

People caught don't pay 20k, just a court fine which varies, around 3k - 7k.

Then they just have to produce the funds for a flight ticket out. So really Thailand doesn't get much money out of them. And the court fine can be worked off just by being in IDC, for 200b/day.

If they can't pay the cost of the ticket then they remain in IDC indefinitely just sitting around not doing much, sometimes for decades. The whole system could do with a redesign, must be some way for them to earn their way out.

Why not just do as Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos and the Philippines do and allow for easy visa renewals within the country so people have less incentive to overstay, and if they overstay charge them the exact amount they would've paid in visas as they leave, with no cap. If they can't pay, off to a work camp to do manual labor until it's paid, no rotting away in inhumane conditions that breach human rights. Many have died in IDC.

Then screen people better when they apply at consulates and at borders, with criminal background checks. Instead of allowing known Pedophiles to be school teachers, and terrorist bombers to bribe their way in for a few hundred dollars.

Edited December 22, 2015 by jspill

[micmichd]

Well there certainly is NOT 108 people in that photo.

I see 11 people (not including those standing who are clearly immigration officials) and 10 of those are black or dark skinned. Does that not seem odd to anyone ? May I suggest more than a little racial profiling going on here.

This is a typical leftist knee-jerk comment. I'm sure if there were any white westerners caught in the sweep, the immigration would've gladly put them in the photo.

The Africans and East Asians are known for overstaying their visas for years. Some westerners overstay their Visa's too, but there seems to be a smaller proportion of westerners who congregate in large groups and overstay their visas for that long.

It's not even leftist. Thai police don't judge by colour of skin.

[kannot]

50 Pakis ? Quite a number, all 'family' running tailor shops ?

Selling suits to someone is better than shooting someone.

why? maybe they are made of kevlar

[kannot]

Interesting nationalities there and seems many peoples concerns on "who" is overstaying and " who" the main suspect nationalities are appear to be correct...........50 Pakistanis......Im imagining how many made it into the UK over the years and still reside there now bleeding the UK benefits system.

Is this after UK,bled dry India(Pakistan)for a couple of hundred years.At least you can get a decent curry on the way home from the pub now.

Have you ever seen the "kitchens" in your curry houses......unfortunately I had to paint one once

What you want me to do change history..how far back do you want to go historically?

[smotherb]

In a second case, American boxer Malik Naeem Watson-Smith, 23, who once fought Thai boxer "Bua Kao", was caught on December 14 in Chon Buri for overstaying his visa. He had earlier been charged with assault and was granted bail on May 19, 2010, under condition that he could not leave the country without court permission.

UHH, What am I missing in this article??

I won't answer that question. The court condition for bail said he couldn't leave the country; it did not say he didn't have to abide by immigration laws.

[smotherb]

In a second case, American boxer Malik Naeem Watson-Smith, 23, who once fought Thai boxer "Bua Kao", was caught on December 14 in Chon Buri for overstaying his visa. He had earlier been charged with assault and was granted bail on May 19, 2010, under condition that he could not leave the country without court permission.

UHH, What am I missing in this article??

I wonder if Ubon Joe can educate us on the type of extension one can get for pending court case.

It may be as simple as showing the immigration people the court order.

[smotherb]

They are visiting schools. They came yesterday to our school in samut praksn. If you don't have proper documentation to teach beware.they caught one teacher from USA with no work permit. He was teaching with a tourist visa

God help your students.

There are many other schools in Thailand where teachers are working without work permits. So, rendering your pleas of help only to Ray's students is a bit of under-kill.

[diehard60]

Yea!!!!! I am glad to see them finally doing this. Now just throw them out and don't let the trash back in.

[smotherb]

Now i wonder how many of them are using the same degree papers,my guess 60% without a doubt especially in the south.its big business for the printers north and south,wont be long before that one comes to light.30000 bk a shot,all have big benz cars +.land of smiles.

No need to have the same degree papers; for a fee, you can get most any degree and transcripts online.

Teaching is one of the ways an over-stayer can exist in Thailand. Teachers often work without work permits, some schools prefer it--why do you think so much is reported about raiding schools and checking papers?

[smotherb]

Round up all the illegal Thais in Europe, USA etc. Cut off the money they send home.

Oh, that is a good idea; so we should be glad the Thais thought about it too.

[alocacoc]

To be honest, i find it's a good thing to get rid off these trash. These guys are the reason why it becomes harder to get a visa.

Edited December 22, 2015 by alocacoc

[scubascuba3]

i like the 3D glasses the guy in yellow is wearing, can't see his face now.

[smotherb]

They are visiting schools. They came yesterday to our school in samut praksn. If you don't have proper documentation to teach beware.they caught one teacher from USA with no work permit. He was teaching with a tourist visa

Tell me why the school where you teach; hired someone without a work permit. OR why they did not help him get one, when they hired him ???

Since Ray is not the school, I venture you have asked the wrong person. However, I would imagine most new teachers are hired without work permit--since it is the school which must process the permit.

Furthermore, there can be many reasons why schools procrastinate about processing work permits. One may be as simple as the transient nature of the teachers themselves. Many NES teachers are just passing through Thailand and leave whenever it suits them--like right after pay-day--not worrying about finishing the school term. The school may wait a while before going to the trouble of processing work permits.

[GaryAdriaenssens]

Now put all of them on a plane to the EU and Merkel's Germany and everything's solved. It's "OPEN GATEWAY" there anyway..... Sarcastic I know but I couldn't resist!

[djlest]

Im just wondering what the legal status for defamation is of posting peoples actual names on Thai Visa forum. Im glad im not an overstayer as my reputation and probably career would be screwed if anyone does a google search and your names pops up next to a french drug lord... im just curious what rights do these public news sources have to post real names?

[connda]

Can't kick foreigners out fast enough:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/880567-thai-immigration-nab-110-foreigners-in-overstay-criminal-cases/?utm_source=newsletter-20151222-0738&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

Can't keep slave labor in long enough:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/880422-thai-government-says-its-not-ignoring-shrimp-sheds-slavery/page-2#entry10219250?utm_source=newsletter-20151222-0738&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

[Basil B]

In a second case, American boxer Malik Naeem Watson-Smith, 23, who once fought Thai boxer "Bua Kao", was caught on December 14 in Chon Buri for overstaying his visa. He had earlier been charged with assault and was granted bail on May 19, 2010, under condition that he could not leave the country without court permission.

i wonder what the result of the

malik/Bua Kao fight was?

Do I see some sore losers getting even.

[khaowong1]

French police made arrests in Rayong?????, Voila! Thees ees ow real poleeece doo do there job Monsieur Somchai.

That's Sergeant Major Somchai, Krap.

[MRDave]

I overstayed by a month due to the dope at immigration giving me a 1 month stamp instead of 2 on entry, I had a double entry visa.

Come time to go home I got pulled into the immigration office at Suvarnabhumi airport, what followed was like a comedy routine with various Thais appearing one of whom had a large calculator into which he would input the fine I would have to pay which was a few hundred pounds, the large amount of the fine seemed to amuse them, as they were laughing , and grinning at each other non stop . When I pointed out the mistake was theirs, as I had a visa from a UK Thai embassy, a women who appeared to be more senior, and of Thai upper middle class by the look of her made an appearance. A short conversation between her and the Thais followed, and I was informed I would not have to pay a fine as long as I promised to come back to Thailand before my visa expired. Needless to say this did not happen, and I was worried this would be picked up on any future trip, but nothing ever came of it except I now double check my visa stamps to make sure Thai immigration are doing their jobs properly.

[Dumbastheycome]

'Police do their job and arrest some criminals'.

Ok great. Debatable if it should be news but whatever.

Now though, why always the grandiose announcements and emphasis on them being foreigners that were in the country too long?

Perhaps because as the NYTimes reported, crime has actually risen under the Junta, and they'd rather shift the blame to outsiders?

Crime reporting has increased or crime has increased? Which spin suits your suit?

[ShinMusashi44]

To be honest, i find it's a good thing to get rid off these trash. These guys are the reason why it becomes harder to get a visa.

How? How is an overstayer affecting you getting a visa?

[Petchou]

Great group shot - I see watch salesmen, drug dealers, and a couple hackers.

They should add to the list more paedophiles from Australia, england, USA etc....