Japanese man, 61, dies during day tour island off Phuket

[cantplay]

Do the swimming deaths have anything to do with the Box Jellyfish???

[stevenl]

Do the swimming deaths have anything to do with the Box Jellyfish???

Uninformed remark.

But the answer is 'no'. The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW, have as main cause not being able to swim.

[cantplay]

Do the swimming deaths have anything to do with the Box Jellyfish???

Uninformed remark.

But the answer is 'no'. The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW, have as main cause not being able to swim.

It wasn't a Uninformed remark it was a question.

"But the answer is 'no'. The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW, have as main cause not being able to swim."

Correct;

The answer is no. The swimming deaths far less than TV will let you believe have the main cause being unable to swim.

You right worser than I do. Keep cool

Edited January 3, 2016 by cantplay

[NamKangMan]

Do the swimming deaths have anything to do with the Box Jellyfish???

Uninformed remark.

But the answer is 'no'. The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW, have as main cause not being able to swim.

"The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW" - isn't each "swimming death" whether it be from diving, drowning, hit by a jet ski etc reported in the Phuket media, and then reported on Thaivisa by moderators?

Doesn't that mean one "swimming death" equals one thread on TV, unless there were multiple deaths in the same incident?

How can these swimming deaths be "far less that TV will let you believe?"

Are you saying these swimming deaths were mostly death by natural causes, and not death by negligence?

Edited January 3, 2016 by NamKangMan

[farcanell]

Do the swimming deaths have anything to do with the Box Jellyfish???

Uninformed remark.

But the answer is 'no'. The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW, have as main cause not being able to swim.

"The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW" - isn't each "swimming death" whether it be from diving, drowning, hit by a jet ski etc reported in the Phuket media, and then reported on Thaivisa by moderators?

Doesn't that mean one "swimming death" equals one thread on TV, unless there were multiple deaths in the same incident?

How can these swimming deaths be "far less that TV will let you believe?"

Are you saying these swimming deaths were mostly death by natural causes, and not death by negligence?

Stevenl may well be right about swimming deaths in LOS being due to people not being able to swim.

But....,If Cantplay is an Aussi, he would be used to a system of highly organized life guards, preventing swimming deaths, tour operators employing people trained in CPR ( on a tour boat here, some of the staff can't even swim), and swimming lessons as part of basic school sports...

Australia is a nation of swimmers because we all live on or near the coast, so learning to swim is prioritized... And finding an Aussi who can't swim is rare.

So, in asking about the possibility of the death being courtesy of a box jellyfish, it demonstrates that in Oz, we see simply drowning as a far less frequent cause of death, were folk die of shark attack, poison fish/ shellfish/ octopus bites, embolisms, box jellies, and a host of other nasties found in the ocean.

Then we look at drowning as being caused by something else.. .. Like underwater snags, trapped in caves, smashed against a rocky shore by a large swell, caught in severe under tows, exhaustion at sea... Or even a heart attack

the only two people that I knew personally, who drowned, did so in a downed helicopter.

So to simply read that someone has drowned, makes little sense... In this case, without more words in the report, we can only conclude that he was lost by his tour coordinator and became exhausted and subsequently drowned... Which in itself, to an Aussi, is also bizarre, as we are taught how to "float"

So Cantplay's question does have merit.... And an earlier post that I made, said that with the lack of reporting, we can't draw conclusions about this incident.... Because in Oz, we simply do not ever read that someone simply drowned.

The reason then becomes a statistic to be used somehow, to prevent reoccurances.... Like shark spotter planes over popular swimming areas. ( in LOS... Properly trained rescue staff would help... Or staff who can count)

Edited January 4, 2016 by farcanell

[stevenl]

Do the swimming deaths have anything to do with the Box Jellyfish???

Uninformed remark.

But the answer is 'no'. The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW, have as main cause not being able to swim.

"The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW" - isn't each "swimming death" whether it be from diving, drowning, hit by a jet ski etc reported in the Phuket media, and then reported on Thaivisa by moderators?

Doesn't that mean one "swimming death" equals one thread on TV, unless there were multiple deaths in the same incident?

How can these swimming deaths be "far less that TV will let you believe?"

Are you saying these swimming deaths were mostly death by natural causes, and not death by negligence?

Stevenl may well be right about swimming deaths in LOS being due to people not being able to swim.

But....,If Cantplay is an Aussi, he would be used to a system of highly organized life guards, preventing swimming deaths, tour operators employing people trained in CPR ( on a tour boat here, some of the staff can't even swim), and swimming lessons as part of basic school sports...

Australia is a nation of swimmers because we all live on or near the coast, so learning to swim is prioritized... And finding an Aussi who can't swim is rare.

So, in asking about the possibility of the death being courtesy of a box jellyfish, it demonstrates that in Oz, we see simply drowning as a far less frequent cause of death, were folk die of shark attack, poison fish/ shellfish/ octopus bites, embolisms, box jellies, and a host of other nasties found in the ocean.

Then we look at drowning as being caused by something else.. .. Like underwater snags, trapped in caves, smashed against a rocky shore by a large swell, caught in severe under tows, exhaustion at sea... Or even a heart attack

the only two people that I knew personally, who drowned, did so in a downed helicopter.

So to simply read that someone has drowned, makes little sense... In this case, without more words in the report, we can only conclude that he was lost by his tour coordinator and became exhausted and subsequently drowned... Which in itself, to an Aussi, is also bizarre, as we are taught how to "float"

So Cantplay's question does have merit.... And an earlier post that I made, said that with the lack of reporting, we can't draw conclusions about this incident.... Because in Oz, we simply do not ever read that someone simply drowned.

The reason then becomes a statistic to be used somehow, to prevent reoccurances.... Like shark spotter planes over popular swimming areas. ( in LOS... Properly trained rescue staff would help... Or staff who can count)

"The National Coastal Safety Report points to other activities such as recreational boating, rock fishing, and surfing as a leading cause of death, representing over three quarters of the 121 coastal drowning deaths recorded last year." (2013)

Fatal shark attacks Australia (2015): 5 https://taronga.org.au/conservation/conservation-science-research/australian-shark-attack-file/2015

So no, simple drownings are not a far less frequent cause of death than e.g. shark attacks. I did not check the other causes you mention, but very much doubt these numbers will be (much) higher.

[farcanell]

Do the swimming deaths have anything to do with the Box Jellyfish???

Uninformed remark.

But the answer is 'no'. The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW, have as main cause not being able to swim.

"The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW" - isn't each "swimming death" whether it be from diving, drowning, hit by a jet ski etc reported in the Phuket media, and then reported on Thaivisa by moderators?

Doesn't that mean one "swimming death" equals one thread on TV, unless there were multiple deaths in the same incident?

How can these swimming deaths be "far less that TV will let you believe?"

Are you saying these swimming deaths were mostly death by natural causes, and not death by negligence?

Stevenl may well be right about swimming deaths in LOS being due to people not being able to swim.

But....,If Cantplay is an Aussi, he would be used to a system of highly organized life guards, preventing swimming deaths, tour operators employing people trained in CPR ( on a tour boat here, some of the staff can't even swim), and swimming lessons as part of basic school sports...

Australia is a nation of swimmers because we all live on or near the coast, so learning to swim is prioritized... And finding an Aussi who can't swim is rare.

So, in asking about the possibility of the death being courtesy of a box jellyfish, it demonstrates that in Oz, we see simply drowning as a far less frequent cause of death, were folk die of shark attack, poison fish/ shellfish/ octopus bites, embolisms, box jellies, and a host of other nasties found in the ocean.

Then we look at drowning as being caused by something else.. .. Like underwater snags, trapped in caves, smashed against a rocky shore by a large swell, caught in severe under tows, exhaustion at sea... Or even a heart attack

the only two people that I knew personally, who drowned, did so in a downed helicopter.

So to simply read that someone has drowned, makes little sense... In this case, without more words in the report, we can only conclude that he was lost by his tour coordinator and became exhausted and subsequently drowned... Which in itself, to an Aussi, is also bizarre, as we are taught how to "float"

So Cantplay's question does have merit.... And an earlier post that I made, said that with the lack of reporting, we can't draw conclusions about this incident.... Because in Oz, we simply do not ever read that someone simply drowned.

The reason then becomes a statistic to be used somehow, to prevent reoccurances.... Like shark spotter planes over popular swimming areas. ( in LOS... Properly trained rescue staff would help... Or staff who can count)

"The National Coastal Safety Report points to other activities such as recreational boating, rock fishing, and surfing as a leading cause of death, representing over three quarters of the 121 coastal drowning deaths recorded last year." (2013)

Fatal shark attacks Australia (2015): 5 https://taronga.org.au/conservation/conservation-science-research/australian-shark-attack-file/2015

So no, simple drownings are not a far less frequent cause of death than e.g. shark attacks. I did not check the other causes you mention, but very much doubt these numbers will be (much) higher.

Nice one.... But... There you go... They are reported, and that is the significant issue... Report and take action to prevent reoccurrences.

And... As per you research.. ..,recreational boating generally involves large amounts of drinking ( stupidity), I can attest to that one!

Rock fishing... Mentioned... Get smacked by a wave into a rock wall, and being sucked back out to sea to drown whilst unconscious or suffering other physical trauma

And surfing... Man... Have you seen some of the weather and water conditions these guys surf in...., fall off, have your leg bungee whip the board back into your head... That's all she wrote ( or serious under tow... Also mentioned, because surfers habitually ignore life guard warnings... They are actually prohibited from surfing " between the flags")

Significantly, and per my post... What you will not find, is an unexplained drowning, as you have shown

Regardless ... Nice to see your research ( informed point of view), which was what Cantplay was chasing... Information... And as Phuket does have the occasional warning against these beasties or similar, perhaps a fair question

We know the answer is "no" ( perhaps he too, should have) because the article did mention no signs on the body, which would certainly have been the case if deadly jellies of any type, were involved

Edited January 4, 2016 by farcanell

[stevenl]

Do the swimming deaths have anything to do with the Box Jellyfish???

Uninformed remark.

But the answer is 'no'. The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW, have as main cause not being able to swim.

"The swimming deaths, far less that TV will let you believe BTW" - isn't each "swimming death" whether it be from diving, drowning, hit by a jet ski etc reported in the Phuket media, and then reported on Thaivisa by moderators?

Doesn't that mean one "swimming death" equals one thread on TV, unless there were multiple deaths in the same incident?

How can these swimming deaths be "far less that TV will let you believe?"

Are you saying these swimming deaths were mostly death by natural causes, and not death by negligence?

Stevenl may well be right about swimming deaths in LOS being due to people not being able to swim.

But....,If Cantplay is an Aussi, he would be used to a system of highly organized life guards, preventing swimming deaths, tour operators employing people trained in CPR ( on a tour boat here, some of the staff can't even swim), and swimming lessons as part of basic school sports...

Australia is a nation of swimmers because we all live on or near the coast, so learning to swim is prioritized... And finding an Aussi who can't swim is rare.

So, in asking about the possibility of the death being courtesy of a box jellyfish, it demonstrates that in Oz, we see simply drowning as a far less frequent cause of death, were folk die of shark attack, poison fish/ shellfish/ octopus bites, embolisms, box jellies, and a host of other nasties found in the ocean.

Then we look at drowning as being caused by something else.. .. Like underwater snags, trapped in caves, smashed against a rocky shore by a large swell, caught in severe under tows, exhaustion at sea... Or even a heart attack

the only two people that I knew personally, who drowned, did so in a downed helicopter.

So to simply read that someone has drowned, makes little sense... In this case, without more words in the report, we can only conclude that he was lost by his tour coordinator and became exhausted and subsequently drowned... Which in itself, to an Aussi, is also bizarre, as we are taught how to "float"

So Cantplay's question does have merit.... And an earlier post that I made, said that with the lack of reporting, we can't draw conclusions about this incident.... Because in Oz, we simply do not ever read that someone simply drowned.

The reason then becomes a statistic to be used somehow, to prevent reoccurances.... Like shark spotter planes over popular swimming areas. ( in LOS... Properly trained rescue staff would help... Or staff who can count)

"The National Coastal Safety Report points to other activities such as recreational boating, rock fishing, and surfing as a leading cause of death, representing over three quarters of the 121 coastal drowning deaths recorded last year." (2013)

Fatal shark attacks Australia (2015): 5 https://taronga.org.au/conservation/conservation-science-research/australian-shark-attack-file/2015

So no, simple drownings are not a far less frequent cause of death than e.g. shark attacks. I did not check the other causes you mention, but very much doubt these numbers will be (much) higher.

Nice one.... But... There you go... They are reported, and that is the significant issue... Report and take action to prevent reoccurrences.

And... As per you research.. ..,recreational boating generally involves large amounts of drinking ( stupidity), I can attest to that one!

Rock fishing... Mentioned... Get smacked by a wave into a rock wall, and being sucked back out to sea to drown whilst unconscious or suffering other physical trauma

And surfing... Man... Have you seen some of the weather and water conditions these guys surf in...., fall off, have your leg bungee whip the board back into your head... That's all she wrote ( or serious under tow... Also mentioned, because surfers habitually ignore life guard warnings... They are actually prohibited from surfing " between the flags")

Significantly, and per my post... What you will not find, is an unexplained drowning, as you have shown

Regardless ... Nice to see your research ( informed point of view), which was what Cantplay was chasing... Information... And as Phuket does have the occasional warning against these beasties or similar, perhaps a fair question

We know the answer is "no" ( perhaps he too, should have) because the article did mention no signs on the body, which would certainly have been the case if deadly jellies of any type, were involved

We're getting really off topic hers, but three quarters of the drownings attributed to rock fishing etc. leaves one quarter of 'normal' drownings.

These are found everywhere, and in places like here, with atm many inexperienced swimmers, more than in the past. Solutions are not always easy.

[farcanell]

We're getting really off topic hers, but three quarters of the drownings attributed to rock fishing etc. leaves one quarter of 'normal' drownings.

These are found everywhere, and in places like here, with atm many inexperienced swimmers, more than in the past. Solutions are not always easy.

Agreed... But on topic... Thai authorities need to act proactively to reduce these incidences, though this might be nothing more than wishful thinking

[NCC1701A]

RIP.

61 years old. heart attack? out of shape? could happen anywhere.

but, in Thailand you die waiting for help to arrive.

i waited 42 minutes for paramedics to arrive in Pattaya for a seriously injured man.

[cantplay]

Thank much for the responses.

My uninformed inquire relates to a swimming addiction while vacationing in the land of smiles.

I wouldn't want to unintentionally interact with a box jelly if I could possibly avoid the situation by being informed.

Thank you

answers: Icon (the image to the upper left), American Beauty, an album by the Grateful Dead, New York.

Edited January 5, 2016 by cantplay