Seoul Secret apologizes for racist black face advert ‘White is winning’

[Seastallion]

Furthermore as status is concerned it is a fact that whiter skinned Asians do better than their tanned ones. I see nothing wrong with self improvement. Who are we to judge?

That's a point. Just as blondes in many Western countries are more likely to get a job than an equally qualified brunette.

[Dap]

Snail Cream is a whitening product , is it really made from creamed snails? Snail cream sounds so nasty.

Not as "nasty" as Salmon sperm

[Mr Moo]

Can we get the Gollyw*gs back on the marmalade jars now?

I used to love finding them behind the label until the left-wing do-good squad moved in and had them banned.

Edited January 10, 2016 by Mr Moo

[AlQaholic]

The more ignorant and stupid people are, the more racist they are, because of the ignorant fear of what they do not understand, which is caused by the stupidity factor. The fact that a company can make business on "whitening" products just adds to the perception of utter stupidity.

Edited January 10, 2016 by AlQaholic

[Evolare]

I think its also a question of preference that doesn't really necessarily have to be racist. Many westerners like people with tanned/dark skin that's not racist to white skinned so why is the opposite racist? (But it is true have many Thai people who are racists for sure)

Just deal with the fact people have different preferences and beauty ideals. personally I could care less of skintone some women are beautiful with dark skin some with light skin.

People will have to come to terms with this fact. I have heard it many times that "we are not racist. We just don't like Black people'. I have pointed this out before to the Thai people who have said this and are supposedly educated. It is a waste of time and fighting generations of prejudice. Until whitening cream and Thais in general see that respective Thai Authorities who judge the Miss Thailand, stop sending pasty white, ill looking contestants to the miss world, as they would win quite a few IMHO.

Well, your post could be construed as being 'racist' against light skinned people.

[dbrenn]

The scourge of political correctness, and its use by the Twitterati to to curtail free speech, has arrived in Thailand.

White skin in Thailand has nothing to do with race - it is instead a historical indication of social class within the same race. Biology dictates that people who do not do manual work in the sun retain their white skin, and in Thailand this is seen as an indicator of social class. It's no secret that Thailand is a class oriented society, and that in a class oriented society, people who are perceived to be of a higher class get more opportunities. Unfair, yes, but so is life.

If I understand you correctly, we should just accept unfairness because "that's life"? There are so many examples that challenge that notion, but I'll just choose one. Let's say it's 19th century USA and an otherwise well-qualified job applicant is not given a job he or she badly needs solely because that applicant is of Irish Catholic descent (not uncommonly done at that time). Should we just throw up our hands and say that's life because many Americans at that time considered Irish Catholics as lower-class people? Shouldn't we instead not accept such prejudices and demand that each and every person is judged according to their own abilities and character? That seems to have worked to improve the lives of many, albeit more work needs to be done. Is this really what you mean?

Yes, life is unfair but that's not an excuse to accept or contribute to an unfairness.

It seems to be easy to say "that's life" when the unfairness does not affect the speaker.

Do you give all your money away to the poor, so that you can be the same as them, and so that they can be the same as you? I thought not.

Like it or not, life isn't fair. It takes its cue from Mother Nature.

[dbrenn]

The scourge of political correctness, and its use by the Twitterati to to curtail free speech, has arrived in Thailand.

White skin in Thailand has nothing to do with race - it is instead a historical indication of social class within the same race. Biology dictates that people who do not do manual work in the sun retain their white skin, and in Thailand this is seen as an indicator of social class. It's no secret that Thailand is a class oriented society, and that in a class oriented society, people who are perceived to be of a higher class get more opportunities. Unfair, yes, but so is life.

In a very technical sense your reasoning is sound, and I almost accepted it. But your comment is simply the rationale that racists use instead of owning their own racism.

The phrase "color of skin" has been for decades directly related to racism. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. used the same phrase in his famous "I have a dream" speech.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character"

Maybe the apology by Seoul Secret could have used this issue to have a stance against racism in Thai society instead of the lame excuse that they used.

As I mentioned earlier, the Thai obsession with fair skin has nothing at all to do with race. Dark skin, as in suntanned skin, is an indicator of lower social class, of the kind that do manual work outdoors. Ask any Thai why construction workers labour in the blistering heat clad in balaclavas and long sleeves. Do you think that they do it to keep warm?

It's a shame that the finer nuances of Thai culture are derailed and silenced by the westernised Politically Correct zealots and their rallying cries: Racist! Bigot! <insert here>phile! <insert here>phobe! Mysogynist! etc.

Edited January 11, 2016 by dbrenn

[djlest]

Asia is disgustingly superficial....

[roo860]

Old ad from the USA.

[MadDog2020]

The scourge of political correctness, and its use by the Twitterati to to curtail free speech, has arrived in Thailand.

White skin in Thailand has nothing to do with race - it is instead a historical indication of social class within the same race. Biology dictates that people who do not do manual work in the sun retain their white skin, and in Thailand this is seen as an indicator of social class. It's no secret that Thailand is a class oriented society, and that in a class oriented society, people who are perceived to be of a higher class get more opportunities. Unfair, yes, but so is life.

In a very technical sense your reasoning is sound, and I almost accepted it. But your comment is simply the rationale that racists use instead of owning their own racism.

The phrase "color of skin" has been for decades directly related to racism. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. used the same phrase in his famous "I have a dream" speech.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character"

Maybe the apology by Seoul Secret could have used this issue to have a stance against racism in Thai society instead of the lame excuse that they used.

As I mentioned earlier, the Thai obsession with fair skin has nothing at all to do with race. Dark skin, as in suntanned skin, is an indicator of lower social class, of the kind that do manual work outdoors. Ask any Thai why construction workers labour in the blistering heat clad in balaclavas and long sleeves. Do you think that they do it to keep warm?

It's a shame that the finer nuances of Thai culture are derailed and silenced by the westernised Politically Correct zealots and their rallying cries: Racist! Bigot! <insert here>phile! <insert here>phobe! Mysogynist! etc.

Western Culture is not the one that is apologizing. This company is a Thai company and the ad was targeted at Thai people using a Thai actress and it still blew up in their face.

Maybe the Thai people haven't been brought up to speed on the nuances of Thaoi culture that you are speaking about.

[farcanell]

Asia is disgustingly superficial....

LMFAO.... Joke, right?

Last time I was in the US, I heard on the radio, that the most common surgery that year was plastic surgery giving women Lopez shaped butts.

Westerners are far vainer than their Asian counterparts, because their wallets enable them to be so.

So what if Asians want whiter skin? If there was a readily available product to give me browner skin, I would use it... Oh wait... The sun... Under which we see all those westerners trying to brown up.

[djayz]

Well, I'm striking their products off my shopping list!

[Linzz]

Firstly this is not "Racist", it may be "Colour Prejudice" but not racist.

Racist would be the case if for instance an Englishman hated a Chinese because he is Chinese, not because of skin colour.

Colour Prejudice would be hatred of a person based on skin colour and not race.

Most of this b*ll*cks is brought about by left-wing, do-good idiots that cause so many problems they should be put down for inciting trouble between different races and colours.

Put down? Because they are a different political color?

[Linzz]

The more ignorant and stupid people are, the more racist they are, because of the ignorant fear of what they do not understand, which is caused by the stupidity factor. The fact that a company can make business on "whitening" products just adds to the perception of utter stupidity.

Perhaps but the same must be said for tanning products

[SiSePuede419]

White people don't use tanning beds, tanning lotions or simply lay out in the sun because they think looking darker will make them higher status, 555.

It's because Coco Chanel made it popular.

When I see a White person with sunburned skin, I don't think "oh they've been working in the fields".

I think " oh they got too much time and money and they have no clue about skin cancer"

555

[shan777]

May as well wash your self in vinigar you will get the same affect with out all the rotten cancer chemicals ,you are putting on your skin. And all these fake bullshit products dont work and should be baned ,because of the health problems they cause.

[SiSePuede419]

William C F Pierce is an "expert" on Black people.

How did William C F Pierce become such an expert?

First hand experience? No, William C F Pierce is white, not black.

Education? No. William C F Pierce has no education in this field of study.

Copied a bunch of propaganda from a White Supremicist Hate Group website?

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3oEdv3Ul8g6BCngQ36/200w_d.gif

I grew up in America surrounded by racists. I know my people well, 555

Edited January 14, 2016 by SiSePuede419

[lamyai3]

Not only did WCFP's post use the word black twenty times, it was also written in bold!

[seedy]

one Racist post Removed

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[wow64]

This is just dark humour and everyone has misunderstood.

Sent from my c64

[helpisgood]

The scourge of political correctness, and its use by the Twitterati to to curtail free speech, has arrived in Thailand.

White skin in Thailand has nothing to do with race - it is instead a historical indication of social class within the same race. Biology dictates that people who do not do manual work in the sun retain their white skin, and in Thailand this is seen as an indicator of social class. It's no secret that Thailand is a class oriented society, and that in a class oriented society, people who are perceived to be of a higher class get more opportunities. Unfair, yes, but so is life.

If I understand you correctly, we should just accept unfairness because "that's life"? There are so many examples that challenge that notion, but I'll just choose one. Let's say it's 19th century USA and an otherwise well-qualified job applicant is not given a job he or she badly needs solely because that applicant is of Irish Catholic descent (not uncommonly done at that time). Should we just throw up our hands and say that's life because many Americans at that time considered Irish Catholics as lower-class people? Shouldn't we instead not accept such prejudices and demand that each and every person is judged according to their own abilities and character? That seems to have worked to improve the lives of many, albeit more work needs to be done. Is this really what you mean?

Yes, life is unfair but that's not an excuse to accept or contribute to an unfairness.

It seems to be easy to say "that's life" when the unfairness does not affect the speaker.

Do you give all your money away to the poor, so that you can be the same as them, and so that they can be the same as you? I thought not.

Like it or not, life isn't fair. It takes its cue from Mother Nature.

Really? So, if a person believes we should not judge someone based on their skin color, then they need to give "all" of their money to the poor to be logically consistent? Is that really your point? I hope not.

You see, it's not about absolute equality. It's about opportunity.

As for skin color, we may prefer a certain skin color for aesthetic reasons, but we should give each a chance to prove their character, skills, etc. and not base such an assessment on someone's skin color.

As for your redistribution of the wealth, there are policies in place to give each an opportunity to increase their wealth based more on character, skill, etc. That's why governments, e.g., build schools and give out scholarships. It may be flawed, but the point remains that there's an interest in giving each an opportunity to do better financially.

If we are to follow your advice about life being unfair and taking cues from Mother Nature, then what about a family in Kansas, USA who were not allowed to send their child to a better and closer school because of their skin color? Should the US Supreme Court have relied upon your philosophy or should they have ruled unanimously to change the law (Brown v. Bd. of Education)?

I understand your point that life can be harsh and certainly appear unfair. I do not disagree with you on that. However, just because life may seem unfair does not mean we have to accept it and not work to change things to make life better for others.