Making a Murderer (Netflix) -- guilty or not guilty ... of watching amazing television!

[Jingthing]

Steve Avery: guilty or not guilty?

Brendan Dassey: guilty or not guilty?

But Making a Murderer is different.

Not just because the genre has switched from scripted drama and comedy to a true crime documentary. But because this is the first Netflix show that seems to have completely consumed its viewerbase from top to bottom. Though many of the shows mentioned above are popular, they have pretty specific audiences. But Making a Murderer? The story of Steve Avery has seemed to hook pretty much everyone who has laid eyes on it.

The question is not if you’ve seen Making a Murderer yet. It’s how long did it take you to watch it? A week? That’s insane. Three days? That’s more like it. One day? There you go.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/01/03/why-making-a-murderer-is-netflixs-most-significant-show-ever/

If you don't know what I'm talking about yet, get with the program. The NETFLIX (or whatever ) program!

Can't get enough of Making of a Murderer even though you've watched it all?

Well, here's more!

http://digg.com/2016/making-a-murderer-discussion-what-to-read

Edited January 11, 2016 by Jingthing

[Jonathan Fairfield]

I hear it's an excellent show.

I take it I'm not the only expat who has been binge watching Netflix since it became available last week?

[pgrahmm]

Netflix basically like HBO/Showtime??

[Jingthing]

No. Not.

Netflix is in a league of it's own now!

[camble]

GUILTY. He targeted the girl, his sweat DNA was found under her hood latch, her teeth and bones were found near his trailer, a bullet fragment, most likely fired from a .22 rifle found in his bedroom, was found in his garage with her DNA, he was the last known person to see her alive. Yada Yada Yada. Even great defense lawyers couldn't get him off.

Not sure about the extent of Dassey's involvement but the family pressured him to clam up for his uncle.

Edited January 12, 2016 by camble

[Jingthing]

He's not super bright but if he really wanted to rape and kill someone, why would he do it on his property and leave the car (uncrushed, he owned a crusher) and the body remains on his property? So you're saying he is basically retarded and wanted to go back to jail for life.

Also he's not a tidy man, also not super bright, so the prosecution said he killed her in the garage, a garage that was a SUPER MESS, that even pros say they couldn't have cleaned of blood evidence, yet, NO BLOOD EVIDENCE.

Anyway, I think most of the public now thinks at the very least that BOTH of them deserve a new trial.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[camble]

Of course he didn't want to go back to jail, he just couldn't control his deviant sexual urges. A new trial for Avery is completely unwarranted.

Edited January 12, 2016 by camble

[Jingthing]

Of course he didn't want to go back to jail, he just couldn't control his deviant sexual urges.

It sounds like you actually think he was guilty of the other rape that legally he wasn't guilty of, even though he served 18 years for that. So he didn't do that rape, there wasn't any other rape he had been charged with, he seemed pretty successful at attracting women for relationships. I don't see evidence that he is deviant in that way, unless you think he is guilty of the crime he is in jail for now.

[Jingthing]

I think many people just think that cops never lie. Their bias towards the cop's story is just too strong and that inhibits justice. I served on one jury and most of the jurors were like that. They believed everything the cop said without any critical thinking.

When you're on such a jury, the social pressure to just go with the cop's story is very strong. In my jury, I hung the jury on one charge. When I ran into some fellow jurors later in a shopping mall, they gave me a look of hatred and violence.

I voted guilty on the more serious charge because I was convinced the prosecution had proven the case. But they didn't even bother to prove the other charge, and the jury didn't even notice.

Avery is no saint, that's for sure, but either are the cops.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[camble]

Of course he didn't want to go back to jail, he just couldn't control his deviant sexual urges.

It sounds like you actually think he was guilty of the other rape that legally he wasn't guilty of,

Why would you say that? He was exonerated beyond any doubt, that doesn't mean he's innocent in this another case.

The Sheriff's Department was grossly negligent in 1985, and his excellent defense tried to use that.

Edited January 12, 2016 by camble

[Jingthing]

Then you don't really know if he has these rapist deviant urges based on his history.

[camble]

Then you don't really know if he has these rapist deviant urges based on his history.

LOL I believe his older and younger brothers both have sexual assault convictions. You need to do some research. What does the title of the movie imply?

[Jingthing]

Then you don't really know if he has these rapist deviant urges based on his history.

LOL I believe his older and younger brothers both have sexual assault convictions. You need to do some research. What does the title of the movie imply?

But they aren't him, are they?

Yes we DO know the cops were deeply biased against his entire FAMILY. There was strong evidence shown about that.

Another thing, violent rape is usually a crime of hatred against women more than a sex thing.

As depicted in the series, Avery appears to really love women.

He doesn't come off as a rapist or a man who hates women.

Anyway, the point isn't that Avery is an angel.

The point is a lot of evidence DOES point to a FRAMING.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[JHolmesJr]

So heres a guy who gets out of jail after 18 years after being exonerated

Suing county for 36 million dollars...and kikely to get a large chunk of it...

And then decides to kill a woman who can be connected to him on his own property, leaves her dna remains on his property along with her car and car keys....

I know this guys iq is 70 but i cant imagine even a fool doing this.

[Jingthing]

Exactly. It's a crying shame, and assuming he's innocent, the REAL murderer walks. I suspect the ex-boyfriend. He came off CREEPY. But they didn't even look into him. That's outrageous!

[camble]

Avery talked about torturing women while in prison. But I feel sympathy for the kid, he could have gotten off with 20 years if he would have testified against his uncle.

Edited January 12, 2016 by camble

[Jingthing]

Avery talked about torturing women while in prison. But I feel sympathy for the kid.

Link please.

[camble]

[Jingthing]

OK, thanks.

Not convincing.

I think most people who watched the show would also say: NOT CONVINCING.

Too much evidence of a motive for a FRAME UP and also actual evidence of a FRAME UP.

Not saying I know 100 percent he's innocent, but a new trial, absolutely.

[camble]

There is no new evidence in this case, hence no justification for a new trial. As far as Avery is concerned, he had excellent representation yet was convicted by a jury of his peers in a court of law. The film is great entertainment but also biased and agenda-driven.

[Jingthing]

I think there is potential new evidence related to the blood vial. This isn't over.

[Jingthing]

Avery files for appeal

Sounds kind of weak.

Too bad the blood aspect can't be dug into further.

http://news.yahoo.com/making-murderer-subject-steven-avery-files-appeal-220106278.html

[camble]

If preservatives are ever found in Avery's blood taken from the vehicle, he'll get a new trial. Don't expect that to happen.

The testimony of him wanting to rape and torture women when he got out of prison was disallowed at the trial because the judge thought it too prejudicial to the defendant, but this could have been included in the movie.

The movie also could have included how Avery had targeted this girl, specifically asking Auto Trader to send her, and calling her cell phone 3 times that afternoon while masking his ID on the first two calls. The final call was at 4:30, this was the 'alibi' call, made after he'd killed her.

The film makers wanted to make Avery look innocent.

[Jingthing]

They succeeded and I don't trust Fox News bias.

Fox News is about supporting cops even when they're criminals and murderers.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Jingthing

[camble]

They succeeded and I don't trust Fox News bias.

Fox News is about supporting cops even when they're criminals and murderers.

Do you think cops murdered this girl to pin it on Avery?

[Jingthing]

They succeeded and I don't trust Fox News bias.

Fox News is about supporting cops even when they're criminals and murderers.

Do you think cops murdered this girl to pin it on Avery?

No, and I don't accept the BS theory that the cops needed to murder her to frame Steven Avery either.

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/making-murderer-creators-tell-stephen-colbert-steven-avery-145758052.html?ref=gs

Edited January 13, 2016 by Jingthing

[camble]

The interviewer didn't ask any difficult questions and the film makers can promote their movie, but my sister and niece live 100 miles from Avery Auto Salvage and if this animal ever gets out of prison he'll kill more women.

Edited January 13, 2016 by camble

[i claudius]

I am going to have to watch this bloody show ,even my daughter in the UK phoned me and told me to download it ,grrrrrr

[camble]

Here's Jodi

[Jingthing]

The interviewer didn't ask any difficult questions and the film makers can promote their movie, but my sister and niece live 100 miles from Avery Auto Salvage and if this animal ever gets out of prison he'll kill more women.

Brainwashed by the local media as shown in the doc.