2016 Toyota Fortuner

[IMHO]

It makes me wonder at what price point would the pjs/everest outsell the fortuner. Would the fortuner need to exceed 2M baht - 400K to 500K more than their competitors? How much would Thai consumers take before they switch brands? It still outsells the others despite being deficient in a number of areas. The mindset is changing....but slowly.

Price is not the only driver though - unless it's just so low it can't be overlooked...

Generally speaking, marketing and looks sell more cars than cheaper prices - just look at the Mazda2 Hi-rider CX-3 as a classic example

[mogandave]

It makes me wonder at what price point would the pjs/everest outsell the fortuner. Would the fortuner need to exceed 2M baht - 400K to 500K more than their competitors? How much would Thai consumers take before they switch brands? It still outsells the others despite being deficient in a number of areas. The mindset is changing....but slowly.

Price is not the only driver though - unless it's just so low it can't be overlooked...

Generally speaking, marketing and looks sell more cars than cheaper prices - just look at the Mazda2 Hi-rider CX-3 as a classic example

Let's don't forget status & perceived quality...

[JoeW]

It makes me wonder at what price point would the pjs/everest outsell the fortuner. Would the fortuner need to exceed 2M baht - 400K to 500K more than their competitors? How much would Thai consumers take before they switch brands? It still outsells the others despite being deficient in a number of areas. The mindset is changing....but slowly.

Also Toyota spends a lot of money on marketing and it has been working out for them for years and years now.

Like their Camry commercial with Hugh Jackman. Making you feel like you are better than the rest etc. It does seem to work on Thai people though.

So unless other brands step up their marketing campaigns to an almost same level as Toyota, people will only start to consider other brands slowly.

Teana was far more superior to the Camry. Still didn't sell well in comparison to the Camry.

Even a Lancer EX was better than an Altis, still no one really bought them.

[DavisH]

It makes me wonder at what price point would the pjs/everest outsell the fortuner. Would the fortuner need to exceed 2M baht - 400K to 500K more than their competitors? How much would Thai consumers take before they switch brands? It still outsells the others despite being deficient in a number of areas. The mindset is changing....but slowly.

Also Toyota spends a lot of money on marketing and it has been working out for them for years and years now.

Like their Camry commercial with Hugh Jackman. Making you feel like you are better than the rest etc. It does seem to work on Thai people though.

So unless other brands step up their marketing campaigns to an almost same level as Toyota, people will only start to consider other brands slowly.

Teana was far more superior to the Camry. Still didn't sell well in comparison to the Camry.

Even a Lancer EX was better than an Altis, still no one really bought them.

Practically noone is buying the lancer now....rarely see ads for them. Thais often think if something is more expensive it must be better. Like kids try to leave my schools to a perceived "better" school (as said by some students) - it is much more expensive but only a year old! As mentioned, it's all about perceived quality.

[JoeW]

True. Unfortunately higher price doesn't always equal higher or better quality.

[ardokano]

Teana was far more superior to the Camry. Still didn't sell well in comparison to the Camry.

Even a Lancer EX was better than an Altis, still no one really bought them.

Where Teana more superior? In Thailand?

Tell me why you think this is?

Teana in Thailand its very poor.

In many market have 3.5(even not top version) and 2.5 top with cool seat ventilation. (New camry have)

Have option massage .

But all this is not have for Thailand market.

Camry more hard so better handling.

Teana little better soundproofing.

So do not see where Teana more superior.

[ardokano]

Let's don't forget status & perceived quality...

Status?

Fortuner , PJS its chepest SUV with some offroad.

What status ?its all lowcost brand.

Or you talking about Bently, Jaguar, mercedes, BMW etc?

[IMHO]

Teana was far more superior to the Camry. Still didn't sell well in comparison to the Camry.

Even a Lancer EX was better than an Altis, still no one really bought them.

Where Teana more superior? In Thailand?

Tell me why you think this is?

Teana in Thailand its very poor.

In many market have 3.5(even not top version) and 2.5 top with cool seat ventilation. (New camry have)

Have option massage .

But all this is not have for Thailand market.

Camry more hard so better handling.

Teana little better soundproofing.

So do not see where Teana more superior.

Of course he's talking about in Thailand. That's what we all talk about here

If you start comparing Thai market cars to models and prices overseas, it's all just very depressing.

So what everyone here does is compare attributes and value of the cars we can actually buy and drive in Thailand - and we secretly dream / cry about what you can get in markets like the USA and EU

[DavisH]

Let's don't forget status & perceived quality...

Status?

Fortuner , PJS its chepest SUV with some offroad.

What status ?its all lowcost brand.

Or you talking about Bently, Jaguar, mercedes, BMW etc?

Status compared to a motocy....in the local village. Totally different "show off" class.....to those that show off their new benz..

[eaustev]

As you can see from this, the Mitsubishi 2.4L diesel spends most of it's rev range with a torque deficit compared to the Toyota 2.8L diesel, but at the same time is also clearly superior to the Toyota 2.4L, and the old 3.0L....

Thanks for that IMHO. Wow, so you're saying Pajero Sport at 2.4L is not only more powerful than my 3.0L, 11 years old Fortuner but also more torqueful? Hmmm... wonder why anyone chooses 2.8L Fortuner over 2.4L Pajero Sport?

I haven't really compared two models spec by spec but how do you explain the price difference between 1,629,000 Baht of Fortuner and 1,469,000 Baht of Pajero Sport (both top models) and which one would you buy and why if it was up to you? If there's any clear win to Fortuner over Pajero Sport in both specs and features that can justify 200,000 Baht difference it's not obvious to me and I can't help thinking the premium is actually for Toyota's brand name recognition over Mitsubishi.

Yes, the new Mistubishi 2.4L makes more power and torque than the Toyota 3.0L no matter which angle you look at it from. Then again, the Ford 2.2L diesel also beats it Technology has moved on...

From memory (and happy to be corrected), and to be fair to the old 3.0L Toyota and 2.5L Mitsubishi motors, my understanding was that both were capable of producing well in excess of 350Nm but were limited by the capacity of the Aisin automatic transmission that they shared. In manual form I think the old Mitsu produced around 400Nm. Doesn't change the conclusion but does explain the flat line at 350Nm on the graph.

[JoeW]

Teana was far more superior to the Camry. Still didn't sell well in comparison to the Camry.

Even a Lancer EX was better than an Altis, still no one really bought them.

Where Teana more superior? In Thailand?

Tell me why you think this is?

Teana in Thailand its very poor.

In many market have 3.5(even not top version) and 2.5 top with cool seat ventilation. (New camry have)

Have option massage .

But all this is not have for Thailand market.

Camry more hard so better handling.

Teana little better soundproofing.

So do not see where Teana more superior.

Yes in Thailand the Teana is superior to the Camry.

When we did the comparison test for TMAP-MS between Camry, Teana and Honda. The Teana was the clear winner in every single aspect.

Seats are more comfortable, the ride is more comfortable, the safety systems are better equipped, etc.

When we had to make the Product information guide for the Toyota sales people we had to dig as deep as we could to find areas where the Camry is better than the Teana.

For example top Teana has 9 speakers while the Camry has 10 speakers.

However we are comparing a Camry of 1,9 million baht to a Teana of 1,6 million baht.

Teana clear winner. No doubt about it.

[DavisH]

Teana was far more superior to the Camry. Still didn't sell well in comparison to the Camry.

Even a Lancer EX was better than an Altis, still no one really bought them.

Where Teana more superior? In Thailand?

Tell me why you think this is?

Teana in Thailand its very poor.

In many market have 3.5(even not top version) and 2.5 top with cool seat ventilation. (New camry have)

Have option massage .

But all this is not have for Thailand market.

Camry more hard so better handling.

Teana little better soundproofing.

So do not see where Teana more superior.

Yes in Thailand the Teana is superior to the Camry.

When we did the comparison test for TMAP-MS between Camry, Teana and Honda. The Teana was the clear winner in every single aspect.

Seats are more comfortable, the ride is more comfortable, the safety systems are better equipped, etc.

When we had to make the Product information guide for the Toyota sales people we had to dig as deep as we could to find areas where the Camry is better than the Teana.

For example top Teana has 9 speakers while the Camry has 10 speakers.

However we are comparing a Camry of 1,9 million baht to a Teana of 1,6 million baht.

Teana clear winner. No doubt about it.

How to the latest versions of accord, teana, and camry stack up against each other? I've not read any recent reports. A friend has the previous version of the teana and likes it a lot. He's had it years. He traded an audi a4 for it many years ago as he didn't like the costs associated with it.

[IMHO]

As you can see from this, the Mitsubishi 2.4L diesel spends most of it's rev range with a torque deficit compared to the Toyota 2.8L diesel, but at the same time is also clearly superior to the Toyota 2.4L, and the old 3.0L....

Thanks for that IMHO. Wow, so you're saying Pajero Sport at 2.4L is not only more powerful than my 3.0L, 11 years old Fortuner but also more torqueful? Hmmm... wonder why anyone chooses 2.8L Fortuner over 2.4L Pajero Sport?

I haven't really compared two models spec by spec but how do you explain the price difference between 1,629,000 Baht of Fortuner and 1,469,000 Baht of Pajero Sport (both top models) and which one would you buy and why if it was up to you? If there's any clear win to Fortuner over Pajero Sport in both specs and features that can justify 200,000 Baht difference it's not obvious to me and I can't help thinking the premium is actually for Toyota's brand name recognition over Mitsubishi.

Yes, the new Mistubishi 2.4L makes more power and torque than the Toyota 3.0L no matter which angle you look at it from. Then again, the Ford 2.2L diesel also beats it Technology has moved on...

From memory (and happy to be corrected), and to be fair to the old 3.0L Toyota and 2.5L Mitsubishi motors, my understanding was that both were capable of producing well in excess of 350Nm but were limited by the capacity of the Aisin automatic transmission that they shared. In manual form I think the old Mitsu produced around 400Nm. Doesn't change the conclusion but does explain the flat line at 350Nm on the graph.

Yep - since the Triton/PJS 2011 minor change, and through the whole Champ generation, both Toyota and Mitsubishi used the same Aisin 5AT which was torque limited to 350Nm.

The 3.2L Everest/Ranger are also de-tuned to protect their 6AT's - so it's not uncommon... it's also why the 2.2L is comparatively (based on CC) such a good performer - no detuning needed for it.

[ardokano]

Yes in Thailand the Teana is superior to the Camry.

When we did the comparison test for TMAP-MS between Camry, Teana and Honda. The Teana was the clear winner in every single aspect.

Seats are more comfortable, the ride is more comfortable, the safety systems are better equipped, etc.

When we had to make the Product information guide for the Toyota sales people we had to dig as deep as we could to find areas where the Camry is better than the Teana.

For example top Teana has 9 speakers while the Camry has 10 speakers.

However we are comparing a Camry of 1,9 million baht to a Teana of 1,6 million baht.

Teana clear winner. No doubt about it.

1. price not talking any about superior o not.

2. You no give any argumentation fact

Seats more comfortable for what? for relax or for fast drive?

ANd now comparison with fact:

a) front seats Camry have cool ventilated seats Teana NOT( this is BIG + for comfort seats in HOT climat Thailand) +1 Camry

Camry handaling better( not to much but its cat easy filling), it comfort to drive( ride) and + safety drive + 1 Camry

c) Camry have hybrid + 1 Camry

SO what car you compare?

1.9 m bath it HYBRID:

with ventiliation seats,

with more option electric seats

with control some electric control in rear seats ,

with 3 zone climatconrol

all this is NOT have in Teana(Thailand market)

Hybrid its litle faster teana too

just "Teana little better soundproofing" but its same not reason if you take car as comfort slow drive and compare with HYBRID top spec . hybride if slove drive more silence.

O in fact need compare

A) Teana 2.5 XV NAVy( 1629000bath) with Camry 2.5 G( 1569000 bath)

Teana more more silence.

Teana have sunroof

Camry only little better handling and may be faster

so teana little prefer in this is comparison

But Teana up price and if you talking about price how much lost in Thai market after 3 year use?

teana 2.0 XL navy(1389000) VS camry Extremo (1484000 bath)

Camry faster

Camry better handling

spec its near

But camry up price ( how much its be after sale?)

total may be prefer Camry\

C) Camry Hybrid top spec (1899000 bath ) VS Nissan ( not have any in Thai martket)

ANd last

if you slow and soft drive some times need be fast , reasonable price( how its can be possible in Thailand)

yes its Teana 2.5 XV navy

If you nees best handelling and control car

be fast its.... Honda Accord Hybrid

if you want have more comfort for spec and fast drive its Camry hybrid top spec

ANd now tell me with fact as me.

what is more superior Teana and comfort (Thai market)

[ardokano]

Status compared to a motocy....in the local village. Totally different "show off" class.....to those that show off their new benz..

Sorry may be we misunderstandings

But we talking about Car. not motocy and car owner

so tell me, What be different "show of" what class Owner fortuner or PJS or Mazda CX 3 ?

[AlexRRR]

To get an accurate reflection on your questions a trip to a Toyota dealer was in order don't you think?

I know some one with a 2015 Fortuna diesel, since that fuel is popular in SUV's there hardly going to be changing anytime soon.

[ardokano]

To get an accurate reflection on your questions a trip to a Toyota dealer was in order don't you think?

I know some one with a 2015 Fortuna diesel, since that fuel is popular in SUV's there hardly going to be changing anytime soon.

before i heare its mor populare be Isuzu

Time change.

[ardokano]

Fortuner is not a car......

What is this?

[ardokano]

About NEs fortuner and PJS

Fortuner 2.8 its faster PJS

better handeling

In my opinion minus Fortuner it not space for tall guy in rear seats( In Thai market its not actual)

If New PJS be same offroad as before

its better Fortuner

some guys compare ( in real offroad) old PJS with Prado 120

So ofcouse if win in offroad can lost in road.

Hope NEW PJS be same old.

[mogandave]

Hybrids are for suckers

[ardokano]

...Fortuner is not a car,,,It is designed to be an off road vehicle if you so desire..You want a car then buy a car for road use...

its SUV

sports utility wagon

The "SUV" term is defined as "a large vehicle that is designed to be used on rough surfaces but that is often used on city roads or highways."

So tell me HOW can be offroad 2x4?

Or How can be real oofroad with out 2 diff?

\ How can oofroad vehicle with automatical trasmition?

No make me smile

and not tell guy who often use offroad car

In stock its can be LC100,80,70

Nissan patrol, defender etc

Fortuner it sesigned for road and some times can go little ofroad( fisshing... etc)

If Fortuner used in the mode offroad. He sprawled across 20-50k km

and will be like 10 year old rattle.

Trasmition change any 20-30 k?

[ardokano]

Hybrids are for suckers

Why you say this is?

Can you explaine?

I am not realy like hybride( but had in past for try)

But for me intresting Why you say this is?

[JoeW]

Hybrids are for suckers

Why you say this is?

Can you explaine?

I am not realy like hybride( but had in past fro try)

But for me intresting Why you say this is?

oh well.

[ardokano]

Toyota Prerunner is 2WD with off road suspension.........

Fink you must do some homework..........

You think??

Ha ha

2wd OFFroad? how far it go? With automatic trasmition?

No make me smile.

You realy do not understan what about you talking.

If you buy this is car for offroad in stock.

Its to silly.

Where you try its for offroad?

I try my LC80,100 PJS in Siberia i have talk with guys who had fortuner(mehanic trassmition) and PJS.

SO not make me smile.

Maybe can say about Fortuner with mechanic trasmition its car for some not big offroad.

but about Fortuner automatic

You make my day

[JoeW]

Show me the facts

[ardokano]

Show me the facts

Its you tell me? Fact about what?

[ardokano]

Hey so wait, you're not Japanese but you're from Siberia?

No i am Not from Seberia. I live few yaer In Siberia.

And i live some another place(some Africa ) where NOT have road. so must use offroad car.

I am not Big expert about offroad

But go in expedition. bild one offroad vehical.

i am not on ANY brand car.

I like some Japan, some German, some Us, some Uk,italian car

[JoeW]

Hey so wait, you're not Japanese but you're from Siberia?

No i am Not from Seberia. I live few yaer In Siberia.

And i live some another place(some Africa ) where NOT have road. so must use offroad car.

I am not Big expert about offroad

But go in expedition. bild one offroad vehical.

i am not on ANY brand car.

I like some Japan, some German, some Us, some Uk,italian car

Cool man.

[ardokano]

NOBODY on this forum has had your problem............Why is that........?

Just litle logic and mathematics.

How many owner Toyouta Fortuner 2012-2015 model have in forum?

How many total sell Toyota of this is model in Thailand ?

How big chance if 10%( its big part produce car, but i gues may be it small) selling Fortuner have problem as me meet in this is forum where had only few owner?

So big chance meet on this problem fortuner if

1 Fortuna have very seriose problem with quality and all the parties all the time issue were defective.

2. There are problems with the model engineering projects

3. All owner must use simullar as me car.( i see some owner car not speed more 100-110 on speedway)

4. All have the same perception of the problem.

I repeat. My wife does not even heard that there is a problem with the creak of the door

she thought it was normal sound.

But for me ITs NOT normal. I compare with Prado, Harrier etc. ANd many another car

And lust

How many go paint bumper in this is forum?

I had no problem with the steering rack on my RX450

but it can not deny the fact that the problems were such at this model this year.

[JoeW]

I so wish I could upload the comparison test results for the Camry vs Teana vs Accord, but I can't. I'll get sued