Taking One For The Team

[alfieconn]

So called "taking one for the team" even when the attacking player doesn't have a goal scoring opportunity should result in a straight red card.

In fact a foul committed anywhere on the pitch whereby the defender is deemed to have no intention of going for the ball should be a red card, albeit from a pullback, lunging tackle,etc.

How many times do we see when a forward is flying down the wing and a defender comes across, takes him out with total disregard for the player and just results in a yellow card as it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity.

Thoughts please !!!!!!!!

[Chicog]

Difficult to do that when you have chumps like Beglin saying "that's a good foul, that one".

[StevieH]

fouling is great.

[jellydog]

You've gone soft Alfie !! Last man red card but nothing more. I would do away with the obligatory red for the keeper as last man though.

[nev]

You've gone soft Alfie !! Last man red card but nothing more. I would do away with the obligatory red for the keeper as last man though.

Football has gone soft, to much diving and coning of the ref, and ref's nowadays blow for the slightest contact.

Taking one for the team half the time the tackled player is waiting for the slightest of contact so he can hit the deck,we all remember Beastie riding tackle after tackle before he scored.

[alfieconn]

You've gone soft Alfie !! Last man red card but nothing more. I would do away with the obligatory red for the keeper as last man though.

To me jd the game is called football for a reason, in that you kick the ball with your foot ( not sure about headers, lol ) therefore if a player is going to try and impede another player by not trying to do that then it is another form of cheating so he should be off !

[alfieconn]

You've gone soft Alfie !! Last man red card but nothing more. I would do away with the obligatory red for the keeper as last man though.

Football has gone soft, to much diving and coning of the ref, and ref's nowadays blow for the slightest contact.

Taking one for the team half the time the tackled player is waiting for the slightest of contact so he can hit the deck,we all remember Beastie riding tackle after tackle before he scored.

Your going off topic nev, what your suggesting needs to be another thread

[StevieH]

You've gone soft Alfie !! Last man red card but nothing more. I would do away with the obligatory red for the keeper as last man though.

Football has gone soft, to much diving and coning of the ref, and ref's nowadays blow for the slightest contact.

Taking one for the team half the time the tackled player is waiting for the slightest of contact so he can hit the deck,we all remember Beastie riding tackle after tackle before he scored.

best professional foul ever was ole solskjaer for united, can't remember who against, but united were camped in the opposing area looking for a winner, the other team counter-attacked with the whole pitch to run into, solskjaer just legged it back after the lad and booted him from behind bringing him down. then just walked off the pitch not bothering to wait for the ref to pull out the red card. classic.

ah in fact here it is:

[Chicog]

The best one ever was when Willie Young decided a young Martin Allen was not going to get his name in the record books.

I still laugh every time I watch it.

Even funnier seeing the tiny totts all indignant about it.

Because the little tott blubbed so much, it put a lot of pressure on the FA to outlaw the "professional foul"".

[media=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKemltpQMgA][/media]

For some reason videos don't load so you'll have to go to the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKemltpQMgA

[StevieH]

hah, oh i'd totally forgotten that one.

[Chicog]

Of course I meant Paul Allen.

Hard to remember all these tiny totts jobsworths.

[mrbojangles]

Talking of which. I think Mertesacker just took one for the team

[smokie36]

I took one tonight...but I won't tomorrow.

Hell on earth.

[Jockstar]

I took one tonight...but I won't tomorrow.

Hell on earth.

I've heard you're a taker.[emoji12]

[smokie36]

I took one tonight...but I won't tomorrow.

Hell on earth.

I've heard you're a taker.[emoji12]

Well you certainly like to dish it out. :o

[Chicog]

Talking of which. I think Mertesacker just took one for the team

I suspect he took some from the team when they got back in the dressing room.

[SantiSuk]

Unworkable proposition IMO. A deliberate foul is a yellow card offence and an unintentional foul is a free kick only. Deliberate fouls that deny a goal scoring opportunity are red cards. As it is too many refs assume deliberation IMO. It would be asking refs to distinguish different grades of deliberation in areas of the pitch that would not deny a goal - not sure how you would draft a rule for that distinction Alfie?

Better if they tightened up on the sanction for repeated yellows - I agree that there seems to be a culture that you have a first yellow that you can 'give up'. So many first yellows are avoidable (far fewer second yellows so, it's QED that players can be more careful).

One match ban after 3 yellows not 5 would be my suggested solution, but instructions to go to refs that yellows must be based on deliberate intention - not just the fact that a player went down under a challenge where the other player might reasonably have expected to get the ball.

Better also if they stuck to the rules. Two weeks ago we were treated in one game to:

• Attackers being deliberately 'wrapped around' by a defenders arms to prevent free movement during corners/free kicks
• Ridiculous obstruction where a player was blocked off 30 feet from the ball to prevent him running onto a challenge with the goalkeeper after a sloppy backpass
• The usual backing into a player when the ball is several feet from the defending/offending player to stop an attacking player reaching a ball that is about to go over the bye-line - what part of 'obstruction' do (all, seemingly) referees not understand
• Numerous occasions where a ref seemed to interpret a shoulder charge as one that started with a soft coming together shoulder-to-shoulder challenge but concluded with a significant push away with the arm. This one is ubiquitous and annoys the hell out of me. What part of 'shoulder' do most refs not understand?

These happen so often that they cannot all be down to 'not being seen by the ref'. They all seem to violate rules of the game, so presumably there is some kind of unofficial interpretation going on.

Why do journos and pundits never take this theme on? i see that it annoys far more watchers of the game than just me (an ex ref - FA qualified, but little stuff!)

[Chicog]

I would start by telling the refs to get the card out of EVERY offence, even if it's in the first five seconds.

This "it's too early in the game" pisses me off, as does "if that was outside the area, it's a foul" nonsense.

[StevieH]

I would start by telling the refs to get the card out of EVERY offence, even if it's in the first five seconds.

This "it's too early in the game" pisses me off, as does "if that was outside the area, it's a foul" nonsense.

correct. all we ask for is basic consistency. apply the rules to the game not the game to the rules.

[carmine]

I would start by telling the refs to get the card out of EVERY offence, even if it's in the first five seconds.

This "it's too early in the game" pisses me off, as does "if that was outside the area, it's a foul" nonsense.

And there the problem lies.