IMA_FARANG Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Update Bangkok Visa Run 24.1.2016 From: Amornrat Mattioli Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:41:04 PM To: [email protected] (info cut and paste from email to me) Dear friends and customer of SWD,For quick and circular news I’ll use this mail account.For regular info and enquiry please continue to use [email protected] 2016 is nearly over and we have seen following trend at border andEmbassy. Border Ban Laem will stamp your passport for 15days or 30daysvisa exempt until the System Alert Immigration, than they will request youto go to a Thai Embassy and apply for a proper visa. The System Alert isautomatically generated after 6to10 entries under visa exempt. If youenter with a proper visa no System Alert. Visa exempt stamps and entrieswith Tourist Visa can be, as usual, extended at Thai Immigration by30days.Royal Thai Embassy Vientiane/Laos continue issuing Single Entry ThaiTourist Visa --------------------- The important information is in RED. What she means to say is that now in Bang Laem you can get the usual visa exempt entries (if you qualify) up UNTIL you trigger the visa exempt of 6 to 10 visa exempt entries. After that Ban Laem (Cambodian border visa entry) will tell you no entry....go to a regular Thai immigration and apply for a different visa What she refers to as the System Alert will be triggered after you exceed the number of visa exempt entries and you will need to go some where else to get another visa (probably a single entry tourist visa) . As she says this System Alert notification is automatically triggered when you reach or exceed the number of visa free entries. This woman runs a visa border run business, so she knows whereof she speaks. Many of you, being alert, have already realized this, but in case you haven't yet, this is confirmation of what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA_FARANG Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Sorry those da---ed advertisements messed up that topic What I wanted to be understood is that the Automatic System Alert for visa exempt entries is now in effect for entries from The Cambodian border at Ban Laem. You WILL be flagged and maybe refused a visa exempt entry if you exceed the pre-set alert number of 6 to 10 visa exempt entries. This automatic System alert is run by the computerized software.....and the border immigration officer can not override it. So be alert, and be aware. Don't let it happen to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokKen Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 How about 60 days? They don't activate 2nd or 3rd entry anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGImInPattaya Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Sounds good...immigration are on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 How about 60 days? They don't activate 2nd or 3rd entry anymore? The info is about visa exempt entries not entries from a valid visa. Two an 3 entry tourist visas are no longer being done but if you have one now you can still do a border crossing to use the next entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visarunner Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Sorry those da---ed advertisements messed up that topic What I wanted to be understood is that the Automatic System Alert for visa exempt entries is now in effect for entries from The Cambodian border at Ban Laem. You WILL be flagged and maybe refused a visa exempt entry if you exceed the pre-set alert number of 6 to 10 visa exempt entries. This automatic System alert is run by the computerized software.....and the border immigration officer can not override it. So be alert, and be aware. Don't let it happen to you. It is my understanding that the System Alert are for all borders (Airport and Land borders) and AFAIK the IO can not override the system anymore. They are forced to mark your passport and advise you to get proper visa. And I can tell you what IO think of this System Alert:-( No good for Thailand, many people not come anymore. Edited January 25, 2016 by visarunner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianfen Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Are the 6-10 visa exempt entries over a specific amount of time ? Say 12 months or forever ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Great. Next get rid of multi-entry marriage visas. Single-entry only, and then can apply for the 12 month extension and multiple re-entry permit if desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianfen Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 What if you work in the U.K and wish to visit Thailand frequently for periods of 10-14 days . Having about 2 months between visits . What visa should you be applying for . Is it possible to obtain a SETV and only use 10-14 days of the visa then apply again for next trip ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyjim5 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 What if you work in the U.K and wish to visit Thailand frequently for periods of 10-14 days . Having about 2 months between visits . What visa should you be applying for . Is it possible to obtain a SETV and only use 10-14 days of the visa then apply again for next trip ? Visiting for short periods using visa exempt entries on a frequent basis will attract attention. You can expect at some point to be questioned by immigration as to what,exactly, you are doing in Thailand. Make sure you have evidence of being employed overseas and have 20,000 Bht (or equivalent) cash as proof that your stay is affordable. Depending on your personal circumstances you should obtain a visa. (A METV is good for multiple entries into Thailand during its 6 month validity) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianfen Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Ok , I alway have 20000 bhat , return ticket within 30 days and bank statements from U.K as well as payslip's in my inbox available. Can you get back to back METV's or will the 6 VEE's reset after 12 months ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspill Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 What if you work in the U.K and wish to visit Thailand frequently for periods of 10-14 days . Having about 2 months between visits . What visa should you be applying for . Is it possible to obtain a SETV and only use 10-14 days of the visa then apply again for next trip ? Visiting for short periods using visa exempt entries on a frequent basis will attract attention. You can expect at some point to be questioned by immigration as to what,exactly, you are doing in Thailand. Make sure you have evidence of being employed overseas and have 20,000 Bht (or equivalent) cash as proof that your stay is affordable. Depending on your personal circumstances you should obtain a visa. (A METV is good for multiple entries into Thailand during its 6 month validity) He'll be fine. As stated in the OP you get asked questions if you have over 6 in a year, if lanfen is staying 2 weeks and having 2 months between visits he won't hit the system alert. Besides they'll see he doesn't stay exactly 30 days each time, his behaviour isn't that of someone working here at all. Looks like a tourist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspill Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Also you're more likely to be let in and told this is the last time, just get a visa next time, than to be denied outright. Like happened to this guy and others - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/828232-told-to-get-a-visa-not-use-visa-exempt-next-time-at-swampy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianfen Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Thank you jspill , i go to Thailand when work is quiet , for a holiday . I wouldn`t mind at all applying and paying for a visa each time but the Royal Thai Embassy informed me when i called them in December last year there is no visa for stays of under 30 days so i use VEE`s . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianfen Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 What concerned me was the fact there was no period of time in which the system would alert an I.O that you have made 6-10 entries mentioned in the email posted by IMA_FARANG . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 The report is infuriatingly vague, as usual. The "cannot override the alert" statement is meaningless. Of course the alert cannot be overridden, but it does not automatically mean entry should be denied. It should mean the IO scrutinizes the traveler's individual circumstances to decide if he/she is working without a correct visa and work permit. Given the limited training and intelligence of some IOs, there are probably some who think the alert means "deny entry" rather than "scrutinize entry". Then there is the whole question of when the alert is triggered. Is it when previous exempt entries totaled 90 days in the previous 12 months? That would fit with the policy seemingly being followed at Cambodian land borders and would be 6 x 15 days. Is it always triggered after 10 exempt entries regardless of duration? Who knows? It has never been properly spelled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visarunner Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The report is infuriatingly vague, as usual. The "cannot override the alert" statement is meaningless. Of course the alert cannot be overridden, but it does not automatically mean entry should be denied. It should mean the IO scrutinizes the traveler's individual circumstances to decide if he/she is working without a correct visa and work permit. Given the limited training and intelligence of some IOs, there are probably some who think the alert means "deny entry" rather than "scrutinize entry". Then there is the whole question of when the alert is triggered. Is it when previous exempt entries totaled 90 days in the previous 12 months? That would fit with the policy seemingly being followed at Cambodian land borders and would be 6 x 15 days. Is it always triggered after 10 exempt entries regardless of duration? Who knows? It has never been properly spelled out. We ask IO at various borders, they too, do not know how the timing is set. For sure it is based on passport number and when people enter Thailand the IO has to key in type of entry: VE, TR, TS, VoA, Non B, etc and that is how the System generated the Alert. At Thai-Cambodian border the IO do not check "90days per calendar year" anymore, they just rely on System Alert. In theory, if System is not working some people might be lucky and will not be picked up by System. A fact is that for Malaysian n Laotian the System does not trigger Alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Great. Next get rid of multi-entry marriage visas. Single-entry only, and then can apply for the 12 month extension and multiple re-entry permit if desired. Do that after first slinging out the busybodies who concern themselves with the visa status of other foreigners and spend all day trawling these threads in order to revel in the misery of others...? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrendsd Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Great. Next get rid of multi-entry marriage visas. Single-entry only, and then can apply for the 12 month extension and multiple re-entry permit if desired. Do that after first slinging out the busybodies who concern themselves with the visa status of other foreigners and spend all day trawling these threads in order to revel in the misery of others...? Agreed, to many on here who seem to delight that visa rules are being tightened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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