Lawyers Council to appeal Koh Tao convicts’ death sentence

[iReason]

"The first policeman on the scene, Lt. Jakrapan Kaewkao, told the court that he received a call at 6.30am that morning about two tourists’ bodies found on the beach."

"He said he discovered a gruesome scene on arrival, with Miller “face down” in the shallow surf.

Again this is clearly not the case as in the first crime scene photos, David is lying in the sea face up."

"This is the same officer who said he found the clothes in a neat pile."

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/families-hear-gruesome-details-as-trial-for-thailand-murders-of-two-british-tourists-begins/story-fnh81fz8-1227434677803

Edited February 10, 2016 by iReason

[iReason]

“The head of Thailand's central forensics institute told the trial that two profiles were found on the hoe - one a full sample, the other a partial sample - but neither matched the defendants.”

“The DNA analysis was ordered by the defense after police failed to do their own tests. Police had said they examined the hoe with a microscope and were confident there were no samples on it.”

http://news.sky.com/story/1550571/thai-murders-dna-does-not-match-defendants

Pol General Somyot:

"We still have specific DNA samples from the hoe," he said, without elaborating.

http://www.nationmul...f-30264238.html

Edited February 10, 2016 by iReason

[StealthEnergiser]

Oh!! how having to deal with the truth must hurt!

This is a rather defeatist attitude don't you think. I would much rather have you challenging our posts - if you think that you are incapable of doing this however, then fair enough, ignore us!

You won't see me on any of these forums trying challenge about Gai analysts ,Drones DNA etc as I know nothing about these subjects and I am willing to admit it ,not like a couple of posters here that think they are experts on everything.

I will take notice when experts such as Jane Taupin and Lawyers raise questions or I see reports of people fleeing the island shortly after the murders an then see a certain trend from a very small group on thai visa swarming like bees when a poster mentions nomsod, or Mon being on the crime scene almost 1 hour before the police are called.

I also take notice when people tell lies on travel sites related to koh tao and then those same people have been found out to be part of this small group that continues 24 hours around the clock 7 days a week trying to knock down any suggestions that there is a cover up going on .

[007cableguy]

Oh!! how having to deal with the truth must hurt!

This is a rather defeatist attitude don't you think. I would much rather have you challenging our posts - if you think that you are incapable of doing this however, then fair enough, ignore us!

You won't see me on any of these forums trying challenge about Gai analysts ,Drones DNA etc as I know nothing about these subjects and I am willing to admit it ,not like a couple of posters here that think they are experts on everything.

I will take notice when experts such as Jane Taupin and Lawyers raise questions or I see reports of people fleeing the island shortly after the murders an then see a certain trend from a very small group on thai visa swarming like bees when a poster mentions nomsod, or Mon being on the crime scene almost 1 hour before the police are called.

I also take notice when people tell lies on travel sites related to koh tao and then those same people have been found out to be part of this small group that continues 24 hours around the clock 7 days a week trying to knock down any suggestions that there is a cover up going on .

hi

Well summed up!

[Prbkk]

There is an article on Change Org by an Australian lawyer ( an update to the original petition on that site). Well worth a read and posted it here for others if possible ( I can't link it from this mobile).

[iReason]

"The probe has been hampered by silence from locals."

"A source said: “There is a real underbelly on this island and no one is talking. People are afraid."

"If the killer was a local, as many suspect, they just won’t speak to the police.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-hannah-witheridge-4297320

[AleG]

And just to drive the point home of what depths of delusion are needed to hold on to the belief that those two Myanmar men are innocent, the judge asking them directly if anyone else was involved in the crime is translated, through the magic of self delusion into: "The judge's question at the start of the trial might well have been to establish that the defendants fully understood the ground rules before the trial got underway of not implicating other people"

Black is white, up is down and it's clear that reality is not welcomed.

I would expect sane people to see that, when you claim Mon was present at the crime scene for over one hour before the police was called, and use as substantiation for your claim a citation that says A) "O" found the bodies at 5:40 AM and may have called Mon, and B ) Mon and a policeman was there at 6:10 AM, that you either have no clue what you are talking about or you are deliberately trying to mislead.

Now, since I explained to you why your claim is bogus, and you still maintain it, that only leaves the second option standing.

Sane people would also be well advised to take note of that beheaviour is not an isolated instance, but part of a pattern.

Edited February 10, 2016 by seedy
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[AleG]

Very revealing as to the truth AleG - rather discounts all of the drivel and phony stories that is served up by others.

I'm sure that they will call it rubbish, not worth wasting their time reading, deflecting and all of the other rubbish they tend to churn out when they are faced with a few facts about what actually happened in the investigation and court case.

Let's see how they retort to your post - should be interesting!! Perhaps they'll wait until a few posts have passed and buried it before rejoining the game in the pretense that they never saw it let alone read it!

Response already in:

Yes it is probably a good idea have both Alice and Lucy on the block list.

The "your gay!" argument... advanced not long after DM007 calls for the other side to keep up adult standards...

Oh yes...greenchair!

The woman who can not use the word "penis" in an adult discussion and wants to "lighten up" the atmosphere on a discussion of rape and double murder!

Such high standards!

[AleG]

"The probe has been hampered by silence from locals."

"A source said: “There is a real underbelly on this island and no one is talking. People are afraid."

"If the killer was a local, as many suspect, they just won’t speak to the police.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-hannah-witheridge-4297320

"The probe has been hampered by silence from locals."

We know of at least four that kept silent, the two men found guilty of the murder and their friends Muan Muan (who didn't come forward to divulge that they were near the crime scene) and Ren (the one that tried to get rid of evidence implicating them in the murders)

[phuketandsee]

There is an article on Change Org by an Australian lawyer ( an update to the original petition on that site). Well worth a read and posted it here for others if possible ( I can't link it from this mobile).

Do you mean this?

Insights Into The Murders Of British Backpackers On Koh Tao

http://thailandjustice.com/insights-into-the-murders-of-british-backpackers-on-koh-tao/

[iReason]

“Meanwhile a Police source said it was not possible that people on the island did not have any knowledge of what might have happened

on the night of the murder, the source said may be they don't want to talk to police, as they do not want to have problems with an influential group.”

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Police-free-bar-owners-and-look-for-ex-village-hea-30243997.html

Edited February 10, 2016 by iReason

[iReason]

“The police hunt for Mr. Warot, who is the son of a influential figure on the island,

came amid reports that the stalling police investigation may be related to the influence of “powerful families” on Koh Tao.”

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1411548167

[JLCrab]

There is an article on Change Org by an Australian lawyer ( an update to the original petition on that site). Well worth a read and posted it here for others if possible ( I can't link it from this mobile).

Do you mean this?

Insights Into The Murders Of British Backpackers On Koh Tao

http://thailandjustice.com/insights-into-the-murders-of-british-backpackers-on-koh-tao/

From the link above by Solicitor Yarwood: "I respect the decision of the (Samui Provincial) Court but, with the greatest respect, I disagree with some of the important findings."

Well if he didn't respect the decision of the Samui Provincial Court, would it make any difference?

Mr. Yarwood also states regarding the Appeal documents to be submitted as drafted by the non-Thai legal experts: "It is not even necessary for the Thai defence team to have a 100% understanding of their contents."

Great -- maybe even the Appeals court won't understand them either.

Edited February 10, 2016 by JLCrab

[taony]

There is an article on Change Org by an Australian lawyer ( an update to the original petition on that site). Well worth a read and posted it here for others if possible ( I can't link it from this mobile).

Do you mean this?

Insights Into The Murders Of British Backpackers On Koh Tao

http://thailandjustice.com/insights-into-the-murders-of-british-backpackers-on-koh-tao/

Maybe this one:

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/15385598?tk=e9vb8W60JNgXQKaT1S3y3zzXaoJHBkYf47I0-PyW8eo&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

[jayjay78]

There is an article on Change Org by an Australian lawyer ( an update to the original petition on that site). Well worth a read and posted it here for others if possible ( I can't link it from this mobile).

Do you mean this?

Insights Into The Murders Of British Backpackers On Koh Tao

http://thailandjustice.com/insights-into-the-murders-of-british-backpackers-on-koh-tao/

Maybe this one:

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/15385598?tk=e9vb8W60JNgXQKaT1S3y3zzXaoJHBkYf47I0-PyW8eo&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

Can't wait to see the response from the shills on this, I see one in already from the contrarian, I predict character assignation of Ian Y or any of the barristers or dna experts

My opinion, great news that the appeal is moving forward under the advice of some excellent people

Edited February 10, 2016 by jayjay78

[lucky11]

There is an article on Change Org by an Australian lawyer ( an update to the original petition on that site). Well worth a read and posted it here for others if possible ( I can't link it from this mobile).

Do you mean this?

Insights Into The Murders Of British Backpackers On Koh Tao

http://thailandjustice.com/insights-into-the-murders-of-british-backpackers-on-koh-tao/

Maybe this one:

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/15385598?tk=e9vb8W60JNgXQKaT1S3y3zzXaoJHBkYf47I0-PyW8eo&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

He should have started his 'flowery' description of Thailand with.......once upon a time.......

Boy!! does he slate the defence team - they really cocked up big time from what he revealed. One of the funniest pieces was that Andy Hall and his defence team were surprised at the verdict!! Really!!

What they should have done is had a lawyer running the show and not 'prima donna' Andy Hall, making decisions (that were pretty much entirely flawed and the wrong ones). Another instance, is that they trusted in another prima donna Pornthip instead of the 'more' qualified Taupin.

They botched the whole thing up according to Yarwood, even he sits uncomfortably with the phone aspect of the case. He is not 100% convinced of their innocence either!!

[StealthEnergiser]

And just to drive the point home of what depths of delusion are needed to hold on to the belief that those two Myanmar men are innocent, the judge asking them directly if anyone else was involved in the crime is translated, through the magic of self delusion into: "The judge's question at the start of the trial might well have been to establish that the defendants fully understood the ground rules before the trial got underway of not implicating other people"

Black is white, up is down and it's clear that reality is not welcomed.

I would expect sane people to see that, when you claim Mon was present at the crime scene for over one hour before the police was called, and use as substantiation for your claim a citation that says A) "O" found the bodies at 5:40 AM and may have called Mon, and B ) Mon and a policeman was there at 6:10 AM, that you either have no clue what you are talking about or you are deliberately trying to mislead.

Now, since I explained to you why your claim is bogus, and you still maintain it, that only leaves the second option standing.

Sane people would also be well advised to take note of that beheaviour is not an isolated instance, but part of a pattern.

Mon was there before any police .

Mon was the person who called the police going by article below.

Who was the policeman he called it wasn't Jakkapan Kaewkao

Who was the first policeman at the crime scene ?

What time did the first policeman arrive ?

If there was another policeman there before Jakkapan Kaewkao, why didn't they testify especially in a double murder trial.

6.30am Police Lieutenant Jakkapan Kaewkao, said he received a call by a fellow officer.

6.35am Police Lieutenant Jakkapan Kaewkao arrived at the beach and swiftly cordoned off the area.

Chasit Yoohat, 51, a private doctor from Koh Tao Clinic who was called to the scene, and Montriwat Tuwichean, 46, who owns a bungalow and restaurant named In Touch, who called police, also testified yesterday. - See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/koh-tao-policeman-challenged-over-killings-53125.php#sthash.Cvwc3Jpv.dpuf

was this the policeman mon called ?

Edited February 10, 2016 by seedy
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[JLCrab]

There is an article on Change Org by an Australian lawyer ( an update to the original petition on that site). Well worth a read and posted it here for others if possible ( I can't link it from this mobile).

Do you mean this?

Insights Into The Murders Of British Backpackers On Koh Tao

http://thailandjustice.com/insights-into-the-murders-of-british-backpackers-on-koh-tao/

Maybe this one:

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/15385598?tk=e9vb8W60JNgXQKaT1S3y3zzXaoJHBkYf47I0-PyW8eo&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

Can't wait to see the response from the shills on this, I see one in already from the contrarian, I predict character assignation of Ian Y or any of the barristers or dna experts

My opinion, great news that the appeal is moving forward under the advice of some excellent people

We'll see -- Maybe the Appeals teams 'insights' will indeed help the Thai defense team to regain their reputation ... although they may end up being the one's whose reputation needs to be salvaged.

[jayjay78]

We'll see -- Maybe the Appeals teams 'insights' will indeed help the Thai defense team to regain their reputation ... although they may end up being the one's whose reputation needs to be salvaged.

Its a gamble their willing to risk for what they obviously feel is a just cause. But you made a good point on your previous post, the defense made not need to understand 100% the dna aspects as it will be on paper for them but how will the judges? That's a good question

[Khun Han]

There is an article on Change Org by an Australian lawyer ( an update to the original petition on that site). Well worth a read and posted it here for others if possible ( I can't link it from this mobile).

Do you mean this?

Insights Into The Murders Of British Backpackers On Koh Tao

http://thailandjustice.com/insights-into-the-murders-of-british-backpackers-on-koh-tao/

Maybe this one:

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/15385598?tk=e9vb8W60JNgXQKaT1S3y3zzXaoJHBkYf47I0-PyW8eo&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

Can't wait to see the response from the shills on this, I see one in already from the contrarian, I predict character assignation of Ian Y or any of the barristers or dna experts

My opinion, great news that the appeal is moving forward under the advice of some excellent people

They started work on character assassination of Ian Yarwood a while ago.

[Khun Han]

Oh!! how having to deal with the truth must hurt!

This is a rather defeatist attitude don't you think. I would much rather have you challenging our posts - if you think that you are incapable of doing this however, then fair enough, ignore us!

You won't see me on any of these forums trying challenge about Gai analysts ,Drones DNA etc as I know nothing about these subjects and I am willing to admit it ,not like a couple of posters here that think they are experts on everything.

I will take notice when experts such as Jane Taupin and Lawyers raise questions or I see reports of people fleeing the island shortly after the murders an then see a certain trend from a very small group on thai visa swarming like bees when a poster mentions nomsod, or Mon being on the crime scene almost 1 hour before the police are called.

I also take notice when people tell lies on travel sites related to koh tao and then those same people have been found out to be part of this small group that continues 24 hours around the clock 7 days a week trying to knock down any suggestions that there is a cover up going on .

It's amazing isn't it? Start discussing Mon or Nomsod and, all of a sudden, they're all over the thread like a little swarm of hornets whose nest has been poked.

[balo]

You all know that personal attacks of other members are not allowed, just stick to the topic and ignore other posters if you do not agree.

And yes, I would like to see this thread remain open for how long time it will take, probably months.

[greenchair]

"The probe has been hampered by silence from locals."

"A source said: There is a real underbelly on this island and no one is talking. People are afraid."

"If the killer was a local, as many suspect, they just wont speak to the police.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/thailand-beach-murders-hannah-witheridge-4297320

"The probe has been hampered by silence from locals."

We know of at least four that kept silent, the two men found guilty of the murder and their friends Muan Muan (who didn't come forward to divulge that they were near the crime scene) and Ren (the one that tried to get rid of evidence implicating them in the murders)

That's altogether, there 5 of them that possibly were involved in this. They did keep quiet about that phone. And don't tell me they didn't know full well who that phone belonged to.

[JLCrab]

We'll see -- Maybe the Appeals teams 'insights' will indeed help the Thai defense team to regain their reputation ... although they may end up being the one's whose reputation needs to be salvaged.

Its a gamble their willing to risk for what they obviously feel is a just cause. But you made a good point on your previous post, the defense made not need to understand 100% the dna aspects as it will be on paper for them but how will the judges? That's a good question

I thought the case could have been readily thrown out at the 26 December 2014 preliminary hearing and it wouldn't have surprised or bothered me at all. I thought the verdict last December 2015 could have said that, while the Court will not say whether the two (then) accused were complicit in the crimes as charged or not, the Prosecution did not make a beyond-reasonable-doubt case and that would have not surprised or bothered me at all.

Now it is Appeals time and the statement that the Thai defense lawyers may not 100% understand the appeal as submitted leads me to believe they may be adopting a defense named after a Star Wars character which Wikipedia describes as " ... the name given to a legal strategy in which the aim of the argument seems to be to deliberately confuse the jury rather than actually refute the case of the other side," or in this case the Appeals Court Judges who can say: We don't have the slightest idea what this appeal is talking about.

Edited February 10, 2016 by JLCrab

[catsanddogs]

Any news or should I skip reading the last 4 pages ?

Yes some news for you from the Nation, just in. Confirmation the accused are appealing the murder verdict which was disputed here by Greenchair who was saying this was only an appeal for the death sentence.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Convicts-to-appeal-Koh-Tao-murder-verdict-30278942.html

And there is a very interesting article today written by Ian Yarwood on the Change.org website.

[seedy]

Posters would be well advised to stop the Personal Attacks and Bickering / Troll / Flaming

Stay on Topic, or find yourself Suspended.

[DM07]

I am very sorry, but I find it really hard to "attack" someone on a factual level - or take that someone serious at all- if that someone thinks "Penis" is a swear word and it should be replaced with "donger"!

Honestly speaking: that person has already disqualified him/herself with an ongoing parade of nonsensical questions and the fabrication of pure fantasy...but the "dongers"- thingy is the cherry on the icing on the cake!

[StealthEnergiser]

After arriving at the crime scene around 5.40am O admitted removing the hoe from next to the tree and taking it back to a vegetable garden inside the resort where he worked.

Around half an hour later he said he was approached by the resort's boss and a policeman who told him to put on a pair of gloves and return it to the scene, which he did.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/key-dna-evidence-finished/1972132.html

Jakkapan Kaewkao didn't arrive until 6.35am so who was the policeman that was with Mon when O was told to move the hoe before the main boss of the police station was called.

Was it this policeman ?

Maybe he was advised not testify after going after Sean.

Was he on duty when this photo was taken ?

[Khun Han]

"The first policeman on the scene, Lt. Jakrapan Kaewkao, told the court that he received a call at 6.30am that morning about two tourists bodies found on the beach."

"He said he discovered a gruesome scene on arrival, with Miller face down in the shallow surf.

Again this is clearly not the case as in the first crime scene photos, David is lying in the sea face up."

"This is the same officer who said he found the clothes in a neat pile."

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/families-hear-gruesome-details-as-trial-for-thailand-murders-of-two-british-tourists-begins/story-fnh81fz8-1227434677803

"The first policeman on the scene, Lt. Jakrapan Kaewkao"

I suppose, if Mon's police buddy/henchman was there in his civvies when he spent the best part of an hour helping Mon to rearrange the crime scene, then technically Lt Jakrapan was the first police officer on the scene.

Any proper police force would have made these two characters prime suspects and been all over them like a rash.

[StealthEnergiser]

"The first policeman on the scene, Lt. Jakrapan Kaewkao, told the court that he received a call at 6.30am that morning about two tourists bodies found on the beach."

"He said he discovered a gruesome scene on arrival, with Miller face down in the shallow surf.

Again this is clearly not the case as in the first crime scene photos, David is lying in the sea face up."

"This is the same officer who said he found the clothes in a neat pile."

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/families-hear-gruesome-details-as-trial-for-thailand-murders-of-two-british-tourists-begins/story-fnh81fz8-1227434677803

"The first policeman on the scene, Lt. Jakrapan Kaewkao"

I suppose, if Mon's police buddy/henchman was there in his civvies when he spent the best part of an hour helping Mon to rearrange the crime scene, then technically Lt Jakrapan was the first police officer on the scene.

Any proper police force would have made these two characters prime suspects and been all over them like a rash.

second officer here but no mention of the first officers name.

"A Thai police officer who was called to the scene of the killing of two British tourists on Koh Tao island in September 2014 testified on Wednesday, the first of dozens of witnesses who will appear in court during a three-month trial of two Burmese men.

Police Lieutenant Jakkapan Kaewkao, the second police officer at the scene, said he found David Miller face down in the surf and Hannah Witheridge 12 metres away on the beach.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/08/thai-police-officer-describes-scene-at-site-of-british-backpacker-killings

Questioned by the prosecution, he said he received a call at 6:30am on September 15, 2014 by a fellow officer. He arrived at the beach five minutes later and swiftly cordoned off the area."