Sanders transforms into contender, still pitches revolution

[SpokaneAl]

Both sides like to claim some kind of conspiracy theory and collusion with the media. Both sides are irritated with the media and the media could care less, which is a good thing.

This is not an election, it is merely choosing the Democrat party nominee, and the party determines the process. And this notion that a party Sanders just joined should bend to his will is a joke. Yes, it's rigged ... toward Democrats. Hence, the name.

Edited June 7, 2016 by SpokaneAl

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed. Continued trolling will result in suspensions. This topic is about Sanders and his transformation.

Stay on topic or your posting privileges will be removed.

[hawker9000]

Let’s face it. Sanders isn’t a Democrat in the traditional sense. He is a socialist who has based his entire run on a four letter word, “free.”

Although, this poster never thought of Crazy Bernie as 'amusing' to begin with.

Would be a better 'Opinion Piece' if Dan understood Bernie is not a Socialist and does not advocate for anything being 'free'.

If you don't understand the actual process of publicly funded tuition and health care probably best not to present an opinion on it.

So will Dan be doing an opinion piece on withdrawing public funding for the Military. Is that 'free' to the end user also?

I don't think a person needs to be a rocket surgeon to see the flaw in Dan's drivel.

Oh, you are SOOOOO right! Definitely NOT free for the working taxpayer!!!! You nailed it.

He's a socialist.

[up2u2]

Sanders is meeting with Obama on Thursday. I expect there will be an announcement after that meeting. Either Bernie will fight on and force the final vote at the Convention and then join forces to defeat Trump or he will move earlier and join forces and begin the all out assault on Trump. Just a little 'horse trading' to do.

Hillary really blind-sided Bernie with switching the focus onto Trump with the Foreign Policy speech. She left Trump looking absolutely incompetent on Foreign Policy. Trump's only response was to go bright orange and hysterical screaming 'she has to go to Jail!'. Hillary looked competent and strong where as Trump looked like a child having a tantrum and throwing his toys out of the cot. It demonstrated clearly to the Democrat Base that Hillary is the stronger candidate to take on Trump. Then the pre-emptive announcement that she had taken the top position an historic event for women of America. It was VERY smart politicking.

Trump supporters better hope he can transition from a raving racist loony to something that resembles a President. Once Hillary, Obama and Bernie join forces Trump will be 'punch drunk' barely conscious leaning against the ropes after the first round.

[JDGRUEN]

Progressive Jews for Bernie are ready to support Hillary Clinton. So should ALL progressives.

For progressive Jews seeking their footing after the demise of the Sanders presidential campaign, the comments were also a sign that party infighting between supporters of Hillary Clinton and of Sanders is a luxury they can no longer afford.

“I have hope that people will understand how big the threat is on our country with having Donald Trump as president,” said Stosh Cotler, CEO of Bend the Arc, a progressive Jewish advocacy group focused on domestic issues. “We have people who support Bernie and people who support Clinton and I hope we can all put our weight behind the nominee,” Cotler said. She noted that the group’s PAC Bend the Arc Jewish Action will endorse whomever candidate is chosen as the Democratic nominee.

http://forward.com/news/342120/what-will-bernie-sanderss-jewish-backers-do-now-that-primary-battle-is-over/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-1

'Progressive' another PC term that really means Leftists on the way to becoming Socialists endorsing Leftist Style Fascism along the way. Bernie is just not the Socialist they want. Edited June 9, 2016 by JDGRUEN

[jmd8800]

I thought Bernie was meeting with Obama to discuss Satan joining the race.

Seem's Satan thinks there should be an option to the 'vote for the lesser of two evils' problem.

[NumbNut]

Sanders is meeting with Obama on Thursday. I expect there will be an announcement after that meeting. Either Bernie will fight on and force the final vote at the Convention and then join forces to defeat Trump or he will move earlier and join forces and begin the all out assault on Trump. Just a little 'horse trading' to do.

Hillary really blind-sided Bernie with switching the focus onto Trump with the Foreign Policy speech. She left Trump looking absolutely incompetent on Foreign Policy. Trump's only response was to go bright orange and hysterical screaming 'she has to go to Jail!'. Hillary looked competent and strong where as Trump looked like a child having a tantrum and throwing his toys out of the cot. It demonstrated clearly to the Democrat Base that Hillary is the stronger candidate to take on Trump. Then the pre-emptive announcement that she had taken the top position an historic event for women of America. It was VERY smart politicking.

Trump supporters better hope he can transition from a raving racist loony to something that resembles a President. Once Hillary, Obama and Bernie join forces Trump will be 'punch drunk' barely conscious leaning against the ropes after the first round.

Agree up2. If Hillary goes on to win the Presidency I reckon we can all look back to that first Foreign Policy speech she made. She EVISCERATED Trump. I'm surprised that any Trumpkins who have actually seen that speech say it is not a game changer.

That speech will echo right up the the election.

Edited June 9, 2016 by NumbNut

[cumgranosalum]

Sanders will get a position of power from this campaign and the Dems will have to adopt some of his policies...... - Clinton cannot ignore him - that is why he is being so tenacious.

Edited June 9, 2016 by cumgranosalum

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed. This topic is about Sanders.

[jmd8800]

Sanders will get a position of power from this campaign and the Dems will have to adopt some of his policies...... - Clinton cannot ignore him - that is why he is being so tenacious.

I would hope that Bernie would denounce any 'position of power' in the Clinton administration and focus his new found power in the Congress. Congress needs to take back the power it has ceded to the executive branch over the last 60 years or so.

A huge part of the problem in the USA today is the migration of power from legislative and the judiciary branches to the executive branch. It is time for that transfer of power to stop. I know... wishful thinking.

[up2u2]

Sanders will get a position of power from this campaign and the Dems will have to adopt some of his policies...... - Clinton cannot ignore him - that is why he is being so tenacious.

I would hope that Bernie would denounce any 'position of power' in the Clinton administration and focus his new found power in the Congress. Congress needs to take back the power it has ceded to the executive branch over the last 60 years or so.

A huge part of the problem in the USA today is the migration of power from legislative and the judiciary branches to the executive branch. It is time for that transfer of power to stop. I know... wishful thinking.

? Are you serious. Bernie is quite right it is the transfer of Government and Judiciary to the control of the wealthy elite and Corporate America that is the problem. In fact the only thing that stood between President Obama and the complete and utter takeover of the Government was his Executive Power. Without that America would have been dead in the water for the past 8 years.

[mopar71]

[up2u2]

That is more like the face of the Republicans when the heavy artillery of Hillary, Obama and Bernie get Trump in the cross hairs. They will be wishing for the days when Bernie was actually still in the race rather than driving the orange one even more bright orange. Bernie will be in the race all right.

[sgtsabai]

Bernie will give the necessary "endorsement" of her highness and proceed to dump all over the orange monster. Clintons represent nobody but themselves and the Wall Street criminals/banksters and military/spy/industrial complex. She will renege on all her moves to the center as soon as in office if not sooner. Four more years of neocon/neoliberal wars and the destruction of the middle/working class. Four more years of the least transparent government in my lifetime. Four more years of the destruction of what is left of our Constitution. Four more years of the police/surveillance state. Four more years of a Republican gridlock in Congress. If Bernie campaigns hard for the progressive people running for Congress a slim chance of taking back the Senate, but still not with the majority needed to stop Republican obstruction. Better than the fascist orange monster, I hope. Hell will freeze solid before I vote for Clintons or the orange monster. The so called Democrat Party, is not the party of the people, a wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street criminals/banksters and corporations. Bernie will continue to do all he can to bring it back to the party of "The New Deal" and more power to him. ...................... http://www.nationofchange.org/news/2016/06/07/california-stolen-sanders-right-now/................

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-voting-problems-20160607-snap-htmlstory.html......................

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/08/democrats-are-now-the-aggressive-war-party/........................

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/36350-how-the-associated-press-screwed-sanders-and-other-tales-from-tuesday-night.............................

http://www.alternet.org/economy/wasserman-schultz-does-right-thing-it-wont-matter?akid=14332.85778.8Y4zgZ&rd=1&src=newsletter1057943&t=8.........................

The Defining Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive................

http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=203241...........................

"Secret Win" & Multiple Evidence of How Clinton Team Manipulates and Colludes with Media...............

http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=203203......................

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/36345-voters-will-be-left-hanging-by-state-department-s-clinton-email-slow-walk

[jmd8800]

Sanders will get a position of power from this campaign and the Dems will have to adopt some of his policies...... - Clinton cannot ignore him - that is why he is being so tenacious.

I would hope that Bernie would denounce any 'position of power' in the Clinton administration and focus his new found power in the Congress. Congress needs to take back the power it has ceded to the executive branch over the last 60 years or so.

A huge part of the problem in the USA today is the migration of power from legislative and the judiciary branches to the executive branch. It is time for that transfer of power to stop. I know... wishful thinking.

? Are you serious. Bernie is quite right it is the transfer of Government and Judiciary to the control of the wealthy elite and Corporate America that is the problem. In fact the only thing that stood between President Obama and the complete and utter takeover of the Government was his Executive Power. Without that America would have been dead in the water for the past 8 years.

At first I was not going to respond to this. Up2u2 this is the second time your response to one of my posts has shown you completely misunderstood my post. I'll probably stop posting here anyway as the thread is dead of any discussion. We merely toss back back and forth 'what ifs' and 'my dog is bigger than your dog' diatribes.

Some people are likely complaining about my posts as a couple have been removed for not being on topic. I disagree but it is true Bernie's name was not in the post.

Bernie has a huge amount of power waiting for him when he digs in his heels in the upcoming Congress. He will wield a LOT of power that he did not have before. One of the things I hope he works on is taking back powers from the executive branch. Up2u2 ..you might see the president as saving the day but I do not. On balance the last 3 presidents have used their new found executive power very unwisely and causing great harm to the world and the USA domestically.

Personally I think his 'revolution' will hold more value if he continues to denounce the system he has been against all along. That means he could not have a position in the Clinton administration without compromising all that he has run on. The citizens would just label him another opportunistic politician.

The 3 branches are completely corrupted I agree. As I have previously posted, the US government is a 'wholly owned subsidiary of the corporate state'. Bernie should work to bring this corrupted state back into alignment with the balance of powers set forth by the constitution. By doing this, Bernie would made a huge step forward in undoing the corruption that exits today.

Honestly I don't see much happening to right the wrongs. America will continue down this road because the people in power do not care what the everyday person thinks. The idea of 'consent of the governed' has long past. Here is a little write up on Wikipedia on consent of the governed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_of_the_governed

Put 100,000 people in the streets of any major American city and watch the militarized police state jump up and save the day... and 'protect the citizens' not to mention the power elite. Large scale protests will not be met with cheering for the protesters. Trust me I know from first hand experience.

Up2u2 if you are thinking I am right wing let me assure you I am not. I suppose if you put me in a line up of political ideology with Ted Cruz on the right and Bernie on the left, then you might turn further to your left from Bernie to find me. To be honest the whole left /right paradigm is bull anyway. It keeps everybody locked in. Just like a two party system does. Binary 1 and 0. What about 3, 4, 5 or more ideas??

Lastly, if Bernie had of been shown the front door of the White House he may have curtailed a lot of the back room deals made by the likes of Google and the State Dept (and others). Google meets weekly with the White House. Google has revolving doors with the State Dept, much like Treasury and Wall St.

http://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working-for-hillary-clinton-campaign/

Read the book 'When Google Met Wikileaks' by Julian Assange to see why this is so important. Eric Schmidt asked to interview Assange. Assange agreed. Funny though.... Schmidt brings 3 people with ties to the US Dept of State with him. Go figure.

But he is not being shown the front door of the White House. He will be in Congress and from there he can begin to reign in the accidental authoritarian government the US has become.

By the way... what is this 'vote for Bernie's revolution'. Bernie didn't start this. It goes back long way. But seriously, when does anyone vote for revolution?

Edited June 9, 2016 by jmd8800

[up2u2]

The Presidents Executive Power is about the only branch of the US Government that hasn't been corrupted. After the human tortoise McConnell colluded to block ANY Obama legislation in Congress it was the only way Obama could initiate any change. Very short memory when Republicans continually blocked Supply Bills and on one occasion bought the US Government to a standstill.

Certainly isn't an issue Bernie endorsed. A corrupted Congress and Electoral influence peddling and the politically aligned Supreme Court absolutely.

The next step for Bernie is to negotiate a truce, see Trump and hopefully the Republican Party in its entirety on its way. It will not be until after the election in November when the deal Bernie strikes with Obama and Hillary on Thursday is known. I dare say Bernie will have a well deserved and comfortable retirement nest egg.

[lannarebirth]

Sanders will get a position of power from this campaign and the Dems will have to adopt some of his policies...... - Clinton cannot ignore him - that is why he is being so tenacious.

I would hope that Bernie would denounce any 'position of power' in the Clinton administration and focus his new found power in the Congress. Congress needs to take back the power it has ceded to the executive branch over the last 60 years or so.

A huge part of the problem in the USA today is the migration of power from legislative and the judiciary branches to the executive branch. It is time for that transfer of power to stop. I know... wishful thinking.

? Are you serious. Bernie is quite right it is the transfer of Government and Judiciary to the control of the wealthy elite and Corporate America that is the problem. In fact the only thing that stood between President Obama and the complete and utter takeover of the Government was his Executive Power. Without that America would have been dead in the water for the past 8 years.

Not so. What stood between corporate fraudsters and prison was the Obama Executive branch. Needless to say no corporate fraudsters went to prison.

[CWMcMurray]

The Presidents Executive Power is about the only branch of the US Government that hasn't been corrupted. After the human tortoise McConnell colluded to block ANY Obama legislation in Congress it was the only way Obama could initiate any change. Very short memory when Republicans continually blocked Supply Bills and on one occasion bought the US Government to a standstill.

Certainly isn't an issue Bernie endorsed. A corrupted Congress and Electoral influence peddling and the politically aligned Supreme Court absolutely.

The next step for Bernie is to negotiate a truce, see Trump and hopefully the Republican Party in its entirety on its way. It will not be until after the election in November when the deal Bernie strikes with Obama and Hillary on Thursday is known. I dare say Bernie will have a well deserved and comfortable retirement nest egg.

So you think it was all an act and Bernie is just as corrupt as the rest of them?

I hope you are proved wrong on that...

Although do agree that no matter what I think it want... It is clear that Hillary has won the democratic nomination.

Also agree that Bernie will come out and say Hillary is better than Trump, but I'm not sure I agree with that.

So now I just watch and see how it all pans out... If Hillary looses... Then can have a Som Nom Na moment...

[SpokaneAl]

Sanders lost and like all the other presidential wannabes who lost, he promises to support the nominee who beat him. But he no longer matters and is now merely a minor supporting actor. And as far as him having an important position in congress, that will depend entirely on which party holds the majority.

[NovaBlue05]

An important position in Congress is one of about a dozen in each party who are fully on the Oligarch's payroll. These are considered the party "leadership" and they choreograph how the other 95% vote. Much more economical to buy two dozen than all 535.

You think the bosses have a place for Bernie?

[jmd8800]

An important position in Congress is one of about a dozen in each party who are fully on the Oligarch's payroll. These are considered the party "leadership" and they choreograph how the other 95% vote. Much more economical to buy two dozen than all 535.

You think the bosses have a place for Bernie?

On second thought..you are probably right.

[sgtsabai]

As usual the Democrat Party will snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. Like the American War in SE Asia, the only lessons they will learn will be the wrong ones. ................http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/democrats-will-learn-all-the-wrong-lessons-from-brush-with-bernie-20160609

[up2u2]

Looks like Bernie will fight on for now and go to the Convention floor.

Seems like Obama couldn't broker a deal that Bernie found acceptable and join forces earlier to take out Trump. Maybe Obama made the mistake of offering a deal that benefited Bernie personally rather than a deal that benefited the American People. I would be surprised Obama would make such an error. Bernie is a man of principles unless a better deal for the American People is on the table he simply isn't going to take it.

Pity America doesn't have preferential voting system that provides for a 'protest vote'.

[Jingthing]

Looks like Bernie will fight on for now and go to the Convention floor.

Seems like Obama couldn't broker a deal that Bernie found acceptable and join forces earlier to take out Trump. Maybe Obama made the mistake of offering a deal that benefited Bernie personally rather than a deal that benefited the American People. I would be surprised Obama would make such an error. Bernie is a man of principles unless a better deal for the American People is on the table he simply isn't going to take it.

Pity America doesn't have preferential voting system that provides for a 'protest vote'.

I don't see it that way at all.

Bernie knows he's lost this bid which, face it, he never EXPECTED to win in the first place.

But he did succeed wonderfully in creating a significant movement to strengthen the left of the democratic party.

He won't run again, that's clear, so all he has now is that legacy.

He wants all he can get in the platform and his successful aim to make the world "socialism" less of a red herring in American political life.

It's for the future.

I'm 100 percent certain there is a peace pact between Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Bernie to let this play out and when all is said and done, Bernie will be even more powerful and credible to help enthuse his part of the base to mobilize to elect Hillary Clinton. OK, so what, it's more about stopping the vile monster, than the base being excited about Hillary Clinton, but still, it is VITAL to stop the vile monster.

[up2u2]

JT Bernie will come onboard. Plenty of time to let it play out and then join forces to knock out Trump. One speech by Hillary fired across Trump's bow and he looked like a fool. If that is the best he can do then the Republican Party is sunk once Hillary, Obama and Bernie get hold of him. They'll turn him every which way but loose. The word is the door on the room that holds the 'Trump Dirt File' has busted off it's hinges.

[Jingthing]

JT Bernie will come onboard. Plenty of time to let it play out and then join forces to knock out Trump. One speech by Hillary fired across Trump's bow and he looked like a fool. If that is the best he can do then the Republican Party is sunk once Hillary, Obama and Bernie get hold of him. They'll turn him every which way but loose. The word is the door on the room that holds the 'Trump Dirt File' has busted off it's hinges.

Yes, I'm 100 percent sure Bernie will come on board.

The question is what percentage of his supporters will.

I see nothing wrong at all with this going to the convention and Bernie getting FULL RESPECT, as long as things don't explode there. I suppose that's a risk, not really with Bernie's leadership, but with certain elements of his base.

[up2u2]

JT Bernie will come onboard. Plenty of time to let it play out and then join forces to knock out Trump. One speech by Hillary fired across Trump's bow and he looked like a fool. If that is the best he can do then the Republican Party is sunk once Hillary, Obama and Bernie get hold of him. They'll turn him every which way but loose. The word is the door on the room that holds the 'Trump Dirt File' has busted off it's hinges.

Yes, I'm 100 percent sure Bernie will come on board.

The question is what percentage of his supporters will.

I see nothing wrong at all with this going to the convention and Bernie getting FULL RESPECT, as long as things don't explode there. I suppose that's a risk, not really with Bernie's leadership, but with certain elements of his base.

Bernie supporters will come across 100%. They would NEVER vote for Trump. No way. Bernie supporters are far more educated and intelligent than red necked Republican supporters. Present a rational well thought out approach and they will come on board, no problems at all.

[sgtsabai]

No Bernie's supporters will NOT come on board 100%, and Clinton nor the DNC want them. Maybe, 65%. They know the primary was rigged from the git-go. Clintons (as always) played it dirty while Bernie never took the gloves off, the DNC and lame stream media were complicate. They won't vote for the fascist orange monster. Clinton is NOT trying to get them or Bernie on board, she doesn't want them. Her "policies" are opposite ours and opposite Bernie's. Clinton (DNC) has already shut out Medicare for all/single payer angering many. Obama didn't help with what ever crap he laid on Bernie and then immediately announcing his support for Clinton. Adding insult to injury. Yes Bernie will do all that he can to stop the fascist and rightly so. I hope he does like Ryan, "I'll vote for her" and call that an endorsement. I believe things will explode at the convention because Clinton and the DNC show no inclination to compromise, and it is my fervent hope that the DNC is left in shambles. We are faced with the two worst choices for president in my lifetime (there's been few good ones), thanks in part to the blue dawg corporate DNC. The Republicans got what they have been sowing since the Reagan regime. For those that think Clinton is actually a progressive (or even a liberal) and won't renege on her move to the center I've got a 8 lane bridge from Los Angeles to Bangkok to sell you.

[lannarebirth]

No Bernie's supporters will NOT come on board 100%, and Clinton nor the DNC want them. Maybe, 65%. They know the primary was rigged from the git-go. Clintons (as always) played it dirty while Bernie never took the gloves off, the DNC and lame stream media were complicate. They won't vote for the fascist orange monster. Clinton is NOT trying to get them or Bernie on board, she doesn't want them. Her "policies" are opposite ours and opposite Bernie's. Clinton (DNC) has already shut out Medicare for all/single payer angering many. Obama didn't help with what ever crap he laid on Bernie and then immediately announcing his support for Clinton. Adding insult to injury. Yes Bernie will do all that he can to stop the fascist and rightly so. I hope he does like Ryan, "I'll vote for her" and call that an endorsement. I believe things will explode at the convention because Clinton and the DNC show no inclination to compromise, and it is my fervent hope that the DNC is left in shambles. We are faced with the two worst choices for president in my lifetime (there's been few good ones), thanks in part to the blue dawg corporate DNC. The Republicans got what they have been sowing since the Reagan regime. For those that think Clinton is actually a progressive (or even a liberal) and won't renege on her move to the center I've got a 8 lane bridge from Los Angeles to Bangkok to sell you.

I think the convention's going to be messy. Any deal made to give the appearance of reconciliation and collaboration will be seen through for the sham it is. The scales are falling from the voter's eyes.

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/09/clinton_helped_create_trump_green_partys_jill_stein_blasts_hillary_for_already_implementing_donalds_policies/

[sgtsabai]

complicit not complicate, damn, I should have looked carefully before posting. Yes, you are correct. I agree completely with Jill Stein's assesment of Clinton. If the Green Party was on the ballot in all states I would say go Bernie go! They aren't. One way or the other I won't vote for a Clinton or the fascist orange monster. Bernie has ignited a spark that I hope unlike the 70's when tricky Dicky was booted out (should have been prison) we don't stop.