NLA members oppose one ballot voting system for constituency and party list MPs

[rooster59]

NLA members oppose one ballot voting system for constituency and party list MPs

BANGKOK: Members of the National Legislative Assembly have voiced their objection to the mixed-member proportional representation electoral system and the use of a single ballot for constituency and party list elections.

The NLA held a meeting on Friday to allow its members to debate on the charter draft and to give comments on how the content of the draft should be amended.

Mr Thani Onla-iad said he disagreed with the use of one ballot, pointing out that election is the basic right of the people and people cannot freely make their choices if they can cast only one ballot which will determine the outcome of party list and constituency elections.

Dr Jate Sirathranont said he was afraid that one-ballot election might give rise to massive vote buying. Also the system will force the voters to vote for constituency and party list MPs at the same time.

He also said that the MMP representation system is complicated and won’t prevent the problem of block vote. He suggested that senators should be selected rather than elected.

Wallop Tangkhananurak noted that the charter draft is devoid of provisions about the protection of human dignity, liberty and equality of the people in the general chapter. He suggested that these provisions should be restored and incorporated in the draft.

The debate on the charter draft is not concluded yet. It will resume on next Tuesday until Friday.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/149832

-- Thai PBS 2016-01-06

[jaywalker]

Another train wreck of a constitution is what I glean from this article.

[phoenixdoglover]

Alternative headline:

Rubber Stamp Rejects Ink.

[Melyn]

My mother used to tell me I had the constitution of a horse. Sadly she has passed away and will be unable to pass judgement on the one that is in progress but her collection of Australianisms gives me a few guesses.

[Reigntax]

My mother used to tell me I had the constitution of a horse. Sadly she has passed away and will be unable to pass judgement on the one that is in progress but her collection of Australianisms gives me a few guesses.

I think you are referring to the military term "charlie foxtrot" or for the non military "cluster <deleted> "

[Melyn]

My mother used to tell me I had the constitution of a horse. Sadly she has passed away and will be unable to pass judgement on the one that is in progress but her collection of Australianisms gives me a few guesses.

I think you are referring to the military term "charlie foxtrot" or for the non military "cluster <deleted>"

My mother was never fond of that particular expletive. "Kangaroos loose in the top paddock" might me more appropriate

[Eric Loh]

Cleverly crafted NLA debate so that Meechai will not lose face if the amendment accepted. The NLA is not that independent and devoid of spontaneity.

[JAG]

My mother used to tell me I had the constitution of a horse. Sadly she has passed away and will be unable to pass judgement on the one that is in progress but her collection of Australianisms gives me a few guesses.

I think you are referring to the military term "charlie foxtrot" or for the non military "cluster <deleted>"

My mother was never fond of that particular expletive. "Kangaroos loose in the top paddock" might me more appropriate

"Kangaroos loose in the top paddock"!

What a wonderful phrase. I've put that one in my notebook, and look forward to using it!

Well done your mother!

[candide]

I think what they don't oppose is more interesting than what they oppose.

Would I go as far as to think that some components of the draft charter are there to be eventually withdrawn in order to show an appearance of debate and openness to critics and suggestions?

[phoenixdoglover]

My mother used to tell me I had the constitution of a horse. Sadly she has passed away and will be unable to pass judgement on the one that is in progress but her collection of Australianisms gives me a few guesses.

I think you are referring to the military term "charlie foxtrot" or for the non military "cluster <deleted>"

My mother was never fond of that particular expletive. "Kangaroos loose in the top paddock" might me more appropriate

"Kangaroos loose in the top paddock"!

What a wonderful phrase. I've put that one in my notebook, and look forward to using it!

Well done your mother!

"Pig in a poke" might work also.

[tbthailand]

Alternative headline:

Rubber Stamp Rejects Ink.

come on guys, you are all military lackeys... sit down, shut up and vote one hundred and something to zero that this is the perfect constitution for "thai-style" democracy....

[tbthailand]

gotta love these guys, anti-democrats trying so hard to look democratic...

Mr Thani Onla-iad said he disagreed with the use of one ballot, pointing out that election is the basic right of the people and people cannot freely make their choices if they can cast only one ballot which will determine the outcome of party list and constituency elections.

Ignoring the fact that the government being elected will itself be "governed" by the elite/military levers of "independent" organizations and the unelected judiciary.

Dr Jate Sirathranont... suggested that senators should be selected rather than elected.

I guess he missed the fact that they are actually selected...

Ah, the basic mental incapacity of this group is astounding...

[Srikcir]

"NLA members oppose one ballot voting system for constituency and party list MPs"

They were just spoiled by becoming MPs without any ballot.

[halloween]

gotta love these guys, anti-democrats trying so hard to look democratic...

Mr Thani Onla-iad said he disagreed with the use of one ballot, pointing out that election is the basic right of the people and people cannot freely make their choices if they can cast only one ballot which will determine the outcome of party list and constituency elections.

Ignoring the fact that the government being elected will itself be "governed" by the elite/military levers of "independent" organizations and the unelected judiciary.

Dr Jate Sirathranont... suggested that senators should be selected rather than elected.

I guess he missed the fact that they are actually selected...

Ah, the basic mental incapacity of this group is astounding...

Mr TB elections likes to push the American ideal without ever stopping to offer the virtues of an elected judiciary, or how the US justice system works better than that of other, often more democratic, countries which appoint judges on merit. Nor do they elect AGs, Police Chiefs, or even bloody dogcatchers.

Google "elected judge problems" for a mere 125 million results, most referring to judges pandering to electorates and wealthy supporters. Can you imagine the result if judiciary and police were elected on the PTP ticket?

[JAG]

gotta love these guys, anti-democrats trying so hard to look democratic...

Mr Thani Onla-iad said he disagreed with the use of one ballot, pointing out that election is the basic right of the people and people cannot freely make their choices if they can cast only one ballot which will determine the outcome of party list and constituency elections.

Ignoring the fact that the government being elected will itself be "governed" by the elite/military levers of "independent" organizations and the unelected judiciary.

Dr Jate Sirathranont... suggested that senators should be selected rather than elected.

I guess he missed the fact that they are actually selected...

Ah, the basic mental incapacity of this group is astounding...

Mr TB elections likes to push the American ideal without ever stopping to offer the virtues of an elected judiciary, or how the US justice system works better than that of other, often more democratic, countries which appoint judges on merit. Nor do they elect AGs, Police Chiefs, or even bloody dogcatchers.

Google "elected judge problems" for a mere 125 million results, most referring to judges pandering to electorates and wealthy supporters. Can you imagine the result if judiciary and police were elected on the PTP ticket?

Gosh yes, it could be awful!

You could end up with the police and courts answering to those in power; arbitrary detention for "attitude adjustment" of political opponents perhaps? Students who get too vocal being snatched off the streets at night? Laws being used not for their intended purpose but to silence opponents, court cases against opposition figures being expedited, witnesses limited and verdicts rapidly served, whilst cases against members of the faction in power and their allies are dragged out, delayed interminably or just dropped. The law might be used to suppress freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press to publish. People could be going around in groups of five or more, eating sandwiches, waving three fingers in the air, reading novels in public! People would be in possession of calendars and jam jars with pictures of opposition political figures on them! I mean, well, it just doesn't bear thinking about does it!

[NongKhaiKid]

Another train wreck of a constitution is what I glean from this article.

Amazingly these things always work to the advantage of some, not that it's ever designed to be that way.

[NongKhaiKid]

Another train wreck of a constitution is what I glean from this article.

Double post, sorry !

[tbthailand]

gotta love these guys, anti-democrats trying so hard to look democratic...

Mr Thani Onla-iad said he disagreed with the use of one ballot, pointing out that election is the basic right of the people and people cannot freely make their choices if they can cast only one ballot which will determine the outcome of party list and constituency elections.

Ignoring the fact that the government being elected will itself be "governed" by the elite/military levers of "independent" organizations and the unelected judiciary.

Dr Jate Sirathranont... suggested that senators should be selected rather than elected.

I guess he missed the fact that they are actually selected...

Ah, the basic mental incapacity of this group is astounding...

Mr TB elections likes to push the American ideal without ever stopping to offer the virtues of an elected judiciary, or how the US justice system works better than that of other, often more democratic, countries which appoint judges on merit. Nor do they elect AGs, Police Chiefs, or even bloody dogcatchers.

Google "elected judge problems" for a mere 125 million results, most referring to judges pandering to electorates and wealthy supporters. Can you imagine the result if judiciary and police were elected on the PTP ticket?

once again missing the point entirely and poignantly demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the US system while simultaneously hugging the junta.

well done mister pumpkinhead...

[halloween]

gotta love these guys, anti-democrats trying so hard to look democratic...

Mr Thani Onla-iad said he disagreed with the use of one ballot, pointing out that election is the basic right of the people and people cannot freely make their choices if they can cast only one ballot which will determine the outcome of party list and constituency elections.

Ignoring the fact that the government being elected will itself be "governed" by the elite/military levers of "independent" organizations and the unelected judiciary.

Dr Jate Sirathranont... suggested that senators should be selected rather than elected.

I guess he missed the fact that they are actually selected...

Ah, the basic mental incapacity of this group is astounding...

Mr TB elections likes to push the American ideal without ever stopping to offer the virtues of an elected judiciary, or how the US justice system works better than that of other, often more democratic, countries which appoint judges on merit. Nor do they elect AGs, Police Chiefs, or even bloody dogcatchers.

Google "elected judge problems" for a mere 125 million results, most referring to judges pandering to electorates and wealthy supporters. Can you imagine the result if judiciary and police were elected on the PTP ticket?

once again missing the point entirely and poignantly demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the US system while simultaneously hugging the junta.

well done mister pumpkinhead...

Then you could try making your point without including unnecessary and unwanted inclusions like advocating elected judiciary. Or you could try to defend it.

[halloween]

gotta love these guys, anti-democrats trying so hard to look democratic...

Mr Thani Onla-iad said he disagreed with the use of one ballot, pointing out that election is the basic right of the people and people cannot freely make their choices if they can cast only one ballot which will determine the outcome of party list and constituency elections.

Ignoring the fact that the government being elected will itself be "governed" by the elite/military levers of "independent" organizations and the unelected judiciary.

Dr Jate Sirathranont... suggested that senators should be selected rather than elected.

I guess he missed the fact that they are actually selected...

Ah, the basic mental incapacity of this group is astounding...

Mr TB elections likes to push the American ideal without ever stopping to offer the virtues of an elected judiciary, or how the US justice system works better than that of other, often more democratic, countries which appoint judges on merit. Nor do they elect AGs, Police Chiefs, or even bloody dogcatchers.

Google "elected judge problems" for a mere 125 million results, most referring to judges pandering to electorates and wealthy supporters. Can you imagine the result if judiciary and police were elected on the PTP ticket?

Gosh yes, it could be awful!

You could end up with the police and courts answering to those in power; arbitrary detention for "attitude adjustment" of political opponents perhaps? Students who get too vocal being snatched off the streets at night? Laws being used not for their intended purpose but to silence opponents, court cases against opposition figures being expedited, witnesses limited and verdicts rapidly served, whilst cases against members of the faction in power and their allies are dragged out, delayed interminably or just dropped. The law might be used to suppress freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press to publish. People could be going around in groups of five or more, eating sandwiches, waving three fingers in the air, reading novels in public! People would be in possession of calendars and jam jars with pictures of opposition political figures on them! I mean, well, it just doesn't bear thinking about does it!

But those things are occurring now, and some have been occurring for many years. Or was Yingluk's perjury case decided while I was away?

Would they improve if judges and high police were allowed to accept direct payment like PTP MPs?

[tbthailand]

gotta love these guys, anti-democrats trying so hard to look democratic...

Mr Thani Onla-iad said he disagreed with the use of one ballot, pointing out that election is the basic right of the people and people cannot freely make their choices if they can cast only one ballot which will determine the outcome of party list and constituency elections.

Ignoring the fact that the government being elected will itself be "governed" by the elite/military levers of "independent" organizations and the unelected judiciary.

Dr Jate Sirathranont... suggested that senators should be selected rather than elected.

I guess he missed the fact that they are actually selected...

Ah, the basic mental incapacity of this group is astounding...

Mr TB elections likes to push the American ideal without ever stopping to offer the virtues of an elected judiciary, or how the US justice system works better than that of other, often more democratic, countries which appoint judges on merit. Nor do they elect AGs, Police Chiefs, or even bloody dogcatchers.

Google "elected judge problems" for a mere 125 million results, most referring to judges pandering to electorates and wealthy supporters. Can you imagine the result if judiciary and police were elected on the PTP ticket?

once again missing the point entirely and poignantly demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the US system while simultaneously hugging the junta.

well done mister pumpkinhead...

Then you could try making your point without including unnecessary and unwanted inclusions like advocating elected judiciary. Or you could try to defend it.

maybe you should just try to defend your own position of junta-hugging? Or how about defending why a judiciary which is in no way accountable to the people - which is the case in Thailand - is so great.

Come on pumpkin pie, use your head...