snoop1130 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Man in Hospital After Suffering Injuries in Pattaya JailPattaya One PATTAYA -- In the early hours of Friday, a 47-year-old Frenchman was badly injured whilst incarcerated at Pattaya Police Station. It appeared he had been assaulted although Police claim he collapsed and was injured as he suffered convulsions. The Frenchman France was arrested in the morning of March 3 in front of Fifth Jomtien Hotel. He was accused of possessing an expired visa in his Passport. While in custody, the Frenchman obtained physical trauma across his entire body. He was sent to Bang Lamung Hospital for medical attention. Full Story: http://pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/221926/man-hospital-suffering-injuries-pattaya-jail/ -- Pattaya One 2016-03-04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke000 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 There Must be some CCTV footage . He has quite substantial injuries from "falling over" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petedk Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 He was accused of possessing an expired visa in his passport. Oh #$%^ I have several expired visas in my passport. I have one that hasn't expired, but I guess this guy didn't have. Yes, seems pretty bad injury from a fall, but on the the other hand, why would he be "mishandled" if the only crime was an expired visa? Let's hope he recovers and can explain what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke000 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Let's hope he recovers and can explain what happened. He will probably be going to ICU and straight from ICO to IDC and from IDC to DMK and from DMK to CDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitemouse Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke000 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence. Lets put your allegation to the test, shall we ? Who on this form feels that over stayers deserve to have violence inflicted upon them ? Whitemouse says that this forum is full of people who dream about this kind of thing . Is he correct or is he just being abusive about forum posters without reason ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always18 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Soooooo, with the RTP's history of honesty, transparency, wholly lawful conduct and quite impeccable reputation for impartially upholding the law without fear or favour and, on the other hand a foreigner, whose version should we believe, I wonder...............? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uksomchai Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence. Lets put your allegation to the test, shall we ? Who on this form feels that over stayers deserve to have violence inflicted upon them ? Whitemouse says that this forum is full of people who dream about this kind of thing . Is he correct or is he just being abusive about forum posters without reason ? Whitemouse is correct. This forum is stuffed full of people who will see this as " He got what he deserved " I class it the same as riding a motorcycle without a license or helmet That said I don't believe the police would inflict such violence simply for being on overstay and would hazard a guess he decided to not come quietly shall we say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 There have been a number of foreigners very badly beaten in jail here. A British man was beaten to death in Pattaya Prison last year. The police or Corrections Dept always say he injured himself after having a fit. This "explains" the numerous bruises. A Thai (middle class, not that it matters) once said to me, prisoners in Thailand have no rights at all. I very much doubt the duty of care principle is applied here. And the reason for this particular man's incarceration seems extremely petty. That is the risk everyone without connections runs, Thai or foreigner, here. You might have a car accident tomorrow and be locked up for a night with the colloquial murderers and rapists while waiting to be processed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke000 Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence. Lets put your allegation to the test, shall we ? Who on this form feels that over stayers deserve to have violence inflicted upon them ? Whitemouse says that this forum is full of people who dream about this kind of thing . Is he correct or is he just being abusive about forum posters without reason ? Whitemouse is correct. This forum is stuffed full of people who will see this as " He got what he deserved " I class it the same as riding a motorcycle without a license or helmet That said I don't believe the police would inflict such violence simply for being on overstay and would hazard a guess he decided to not come quietly shall we say If the French guy did actually become violent, which is a distinct possibility, then , it would be correct to say that he got what he deserves, or at least it was his own fault . But that isnt what Whitemouse said . He said that many TV members would be in favour of the Police physically attacking over stayers , which I believe to be incorrect . Having harsher punishment for overstayers may be of the opinion of some, but I have yet to read anyone who is in favour of violent attacks carried out by the Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitemouse Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Whitemouse said that many TV members would be in favour of the Police physically attacking over stayers , which I believe to be incorrect . Having harsher punishment for overstayers may be of the opinion of some, but I have yet to read anyone who is in favour of violent attacks carried out by the Police Point it out where did I say that! You didn't just twist or misinterpret what I said, you lied! Here, this is what I said: Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence. You lied. Don't do it, because it's very low form. Be a man. Try to have a fair argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satcommlee Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 The guy done something silly and ended up in jail. Jails are dangerous places. Don't put yourself in a position where you will end up in jail... Simple!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolley Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I mean the same thing is possible just because you don't carry your passport around with you all the time these days. Pretty scary really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Seems this passport checking process is still going strong. The pendulum has swung from one extreme to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) There have been a number of foreigners very badly beaten in jail here. A British man was beaten to death in Pattaya Prison last year. The police or Corrections Dept always say he injured himself after having a fit. This "explains" the numerous bruises. A Thai (middle class, not that it matters) once said to me, prisoners in Thailand have no rights at all. I very much doubt the duty of care principle is applied here. And the reason for this particular man's incarceration seems extremely petty. That is the risk everyone without connections runs, Thai or foreigner, here. You might have a car accident tomorrow and be locked up for a night with the colloquial murderers and rapists while waiting to be processed. The way I see it, if he hadn't decided to overstay, he wouldn't have been detained. I was arrested for a DUI in the States very early on a Saturday morning. After the communal strip search and before transfer to County facilities, most of the time I was in a holding cell with the night's 'colloquials' (?) one of which was a Vietnamese shooter, replete with paper bags tied around his hands to preserve the forensic firearms use evidence. Now who's fault was it that I suddenly had to share a room with a killer (he was subsequently charged, tried, found guilty and locked up)? Anyone? And yes, I was read my rights very early in the whole, self-inflicted debacle but you know what?... beyond the baloney sandwiches at County, it didn't make me feel any safer or particularly 'cared for.' Being bailed at 6 AM on Monday is one of my career highlights though. Edited March 5, 2016 by NanLaew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catman20 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 more to this than meets the eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoro2013 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 He may have behaved badly towards the police, or someone else and incited violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgma Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Doesn't he has an embassy ...who must call for explenation and investigate???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence. Overstaying is NOT a victimless offence. This guy is a victim of others overstaying. Others will be victims of his overstaying. Authorities are sick to death of those who have no regard or respect for Thai laws, so throw offenders in the pen. You are in Thailand, so respect their laws. I have no idea how he sustained the injuries, but others will no doubt be sure the BiB bashed him. Time may tell on that point. It's not difficult to do the right thing, so don't bleat about victimless crime, minor breach, breach of no consequence, etc. If your visa requires border runs, do them. They're part of the price you pay to stay in Thailand. I see, time and again, posts looking to short circuit the visa requirements. Just comply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence. Overstaying is NOT a victimless offence. This guy is a victim of others overstaying. Others will be victims of his overstaying. Authorities are sick to death of those who have no regard or respect for Thai laws, so throw offenders in the pen. You are in Thailand, so respect their laws. I have no idea how he sustained the injuries, but others will no doubt be sure the BiB bashed him. Time may tell on that point. It's not difficult to do the right thing, so don't bleat about victimless crime, minor breach, breach of no consequence, etc. If your visa requires border runs, do them. They're part of the price you pay to stay in Thailand. I see, time and again, posts looking to short circuit the visa requirements. Just comply. Agree with what you say, but it's also the authorities that have created this mess. Money under the table for visas, payments at the border to be allowed through, etc. It's all a money making scheme for many....with the authorities turning a blind eye...or are actually involved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycallahan Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 His actions may have warranted what came to him and the police lied about it, saying he fell, because... ummm... over to the other thug apologists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytuc Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 The guy done something silly and ended up in jail. Jails are dangerous places. Don't put yourself in a position where you will end up in jail... Simple!! No its not simple! Many people end up in jail here when they have done absolutely nothing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard10365 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 What is the punishment for being arrested for overstay as opposed to turning yourself in for overstay? He loses everything he has in Thailand because he will be deported and not allowed back in. This might include personal relationships he has with some he loves. What might a man do in that situated? What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Let's hope he recovers and can explain what happened. He will probably be going to ICU and straight from ICO to IDC and from IDC to DMK and from DMK to CDG From DMK likely KUL first before CDG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesterm Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Let's hope he recovers and can explain what happened. He will probably be going to ICU and straight from ICO to IDC and from IDC to DMK and from DMK to CDG From DMK likely KUL first before CDG? jacko's making the right points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairynuff Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence. Lets put your allegation to the test, shall we ? Who on this form feels that over stayers deserve to have violence inflicted upon them ? Whitemouse says that this forum is full of people who dream about this kind of thing . Is he correct or is he just being abusive about forum posters without reason ? Whitemouse is correct. This forum is stuffed full of people who will see this as " He got what he deserved " I class it the same as riding a motorcycle without a license or helmet That said I don't believe the police would inflict such violence simply for being on overstay and would hazard a guess he decided to not come quietly shall we say Yeah good idea...if you don't know the facts make them up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godden Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Certainly needs an investigation to know what really happened, but i guess the truth will never out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Familyaffairs Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Ofcourse....its the BIBS who gallantly saved him, while he clearly made himself fall down and also bruised himself all over.....Self mutilation BIBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouse123 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) Guys, There is a variety of reasons as to how these injuries occurred. Don't forget he was placed in the jail cells which are usually overflowing with drunks, scumbags, aliens from Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia as well as the scum of Thai society. I am no fan of the RTP, but in the police station they don't usually dish out gratuitous violence for nothing. It is possible he upset somebody within the cell areas through a misunderstanding or, in the cell areas, gratuitous violence is very possible! If he had been consuming the ' devil / demon drink ' then a lot more chance of running into a problem! Those type of people arrested tend to be the noisiest banging and screaming to get out, which upsets the ' regulars ' trying to get some sleep. It's well known and documented, once locked in those holding cells, the police pay no attention as they have the feeling their duties are over. I doubt it would have been the police unless he seriously overstepped the mark, even if he did, they have inmates to do that ' dirty work ' for them to protect themselves from publicity or criticism! Edited March 5, 2016 by Scouse123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 the RTP have already explained what happened so it MUST be true ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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