Tubby Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 hello, I come to ask if anyone could shed light on my situation as the UK embassy are a bunch of useless individuals that just dont give a &^% I got married to my English wife in 2006, a few months later we returned back to the UK. Now, without going into details, I changed my name using deed pole, nothing sinister, more a drunk moment with friends. Anyways, I kept the name and changed my passport to the new details. We have been back in Thailand now for 3 years, my wife is teacher here and has a work permit. I need to get a spouse visa. here is the problem Now my new name does not match my marriage certificate. Ive been to immigration and ask questions and received so many different answers such as go to Penang with my Deed Pole, go to the UK embassy and have my Deed Pole authenticated (which the embassy say they wont do). Ive still got copies of my old passport and even photos of our wedding day, but no one knows what to do. So im up poop creak without a paddle. My latest idea (which the UK embassy are completely unhelpful about) is to change my name back to the original using a UK Deep Pole service, have someone send that Deed Pole to Thailand, then I go to the UK embassy and apply for a new passport with my new name change. the embassy refuses to answer the question saying they dont deal with passport applications. all I want is a yes or no from them....ggggrrrrrtrrrrr Other than this, I would need to fly back to the UK and do all this which is gonna cost a bit to do. ANY, suggestions as a way round this would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I assume the deed pole shows your old and new name. That should be a enough to satisfy immigration. I suggest you do a self certification of the deed pole at UK embassy by doing a statement it is true and correct. The have it and the deed pole translated to Thai and then have it certified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The only reason that I can think of for them telling you to go to Penang is to get a single entry non-o visa that is needed to apply for an extension as your wife's dependent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 Hi ok thanks, The Embassy said they wont authenticate it. I will ask again as they too give a million answers to a single question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyjim5 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Passport inquiries are dealt with by HM Passport office as I am sure you have been told. https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-passport-office New passports are not issued by the Embassy https://www.gov.uk/government/world/organisations/british-embassy-bangkok I have no idea as to whether you can legally change your name again whilst outside of the UK but the Embassy might agree to allow you to swear an affidavit as to the genuineness of the "Deed Pole" but they will not authenticate such document. Is a "spouse visa" available to a person not married to a Thai ? Or are you attempting to obtain something else ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darrendsd Posted March 10, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2016 I'll be the first to say it, it's actually called a Deed Poll 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Hi ok thanks, The Embassy said they wont authenticate it. I will ask again as they too give a million answers to a single question. They cannot authenticate it. That can only be done in the UK. You will be doing a self certification by doing a statement. That is often done for marriage certificates to satisfy immigration's requirements. The translation would help immigration understand what the deed pole is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 Passport inquiries are dealt with by HM Passport office as I am sure you have been told. https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-passport-office New passports are not issued by the Embassy https://www.gov.uk/government/world/organisations/british-embassy-bangkok I have no idea as to whether you can legally change your name again whilst outside of the UK but the Embassy might agree to allow you to swear an affidavit as to the genuineness of the "Deed Pole" but they will not authenticate such document. Is a "spouse visa" available to a person not married to a Thai ? Or are you attempting to obtain something else ? Yup thats all I get told over and over. Ive emailed the Embassy again to see if they can do it yes you can get a spouse visa for a foreigner in Thailand Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 I'll be the first to say it, it's actually called a Deed Poll hi many thanks for your constructive comment, this is more than likely why Im having the problems I am. I will check all spelling and try again. What would we do without brainy people like you!! many thanks clever clogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 Hi ok thanks, The Embassy said they wont authenticate it. I will ask again as they too give a million answers to a single question. They cannot authenticate it. That can only be done in the UK. You will be doing a self certification by doing a statement. That is often done for marriage certificates to satisfy immigration's requirements. The translation would help immigration understand what the deed pole is. Oh Ok, this sounds promising. many thanks for your advise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve187 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 one foolish moment, a lifetime of pain. would it be a spouse visa or a dependant extension following a non imm'o' visa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 one foolish moment, a lifetime of pain. would it be a spouse visa or a dependant extension following a non imm'o' visa Oh you have no idea how stupid I feel for doing it. Its cost me so many problems......kids dont change your name and move abroad! Its just a spouse visa I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyjim5 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) Passport inquiries are dealt with by HM Passport office as I am sure you have been told. https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-passport-office New passports are not issued by the Embassy https://www.gov.uk/government/world/organisations/british-embassy-bangkok I have no idea as to whether you can legally change your name again whilst outside of the UK but the Embassy might agree to allow you to swear an affidavit as to the genuineness of the "Deed Pole" but they will not authenticate such document. Is a "spouse visa" available to a person not married to a Thai ? Or are you attempting to obtain something else ? Yup thats all I get told over and over. Ive emailed the Embassy again to see if they can do it yes you can get a spouse visa for a foreigner in Thailand Thx The reply you will receive will depend on what, exactly, you asked. Open the link and read the section headed "Administer an oath, affirmation or affidavit" . https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notarial-and-documentary-services-guide-for-thailand Have you asked your wife to assist you understand this complicated stuff ? Edited March 10, 2016 by sunnyjim5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) I'll be the first to say it, it's actually called a Deed Poll And this deed poll is a beast of a thing. Many complications possible when trying to use out of UK. Just learned about it. Funny enough the German WiKi article is much longer and highly detailed compared to the English language version. As I haven't studied law I gave up reading and better not give advice. Leave to the advocates and/or specialists in common(wealth) law and deeds. In most countries of the world a name change is not a "a drunk moment with friends". Edited March 10, 2016 by KhunBENQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyjim5 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 one foolish moment, a lifetime of pain. would it be a spouse visa or a dependant extension following a non imm'o' visa Oh you have no idea how stupid I feel for doing it. Its cost me so many problems......kids dont change your name and move abroad! Its just a spouse visa I believe You can try applying for a "spouse visa" but with an English wife it is extremely unlikely that one will be issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 one foolish moment, a lifetime of pain. would it be a spouse visa or a dependant extension following a non imm'o' visa Or would it be an extension of the 90 day permission to stay, that was granted on entry with a non immigrant visa, for the reason of necessity of being a family member (spouse) of an alien already permitted a temporary stay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyjim5 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 one foolish moment, a lifetime of pain. would it be a spouse visa or a dependant extension following a non imm'o' visa Or would it be an extension of the 90 day permission to stay, that was granted on entry with a non immigrant visa, for the reason of necessity of being a family member (spouse) of an alien already permitted a temporary stay. That will add to the "confusion" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Type up the following document exactly. Make it fit on one page with a decent gap at the bottom. It is 99% a deed poll so you can copy and paste. Change the relevant words to suit yourself. You finish with the words, "BEFORE ME". The Consul or Vice-Consul will add everything below that. What you have just made is not a deed poll, but an affirmation that you will change your name. Make an appointment at the Embassy and complete the affirmation. The Consul will possibly seek an explanation from you, but just explain you have previously changed your name by deed poll in the UK and now you have to take care of the Thai side of things. Do not sign the form until requested to do so by the Consul. When this process is complete take the Affirmation to a translator. Get them to translate the document and arrange certification from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. You will need both your names transcribed into Thai. When that is done you will have a document that Government agencies will accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve187 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 one foolish moment, a lifetime of pain. would it be a spouse visa or a dependant extension following a non imm'o' visa Or would it be an extension of the 90 day permission to stay, that was granted on entry with a non immigrant visa, for the reason of necessity of being a family member (spouse) of an alien already permitted a temporary stay. yes it would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 one foolish moment, a lifetime of pain. would it be a spouse visa or a dependant extension following a non imm'o' visa Oh you have no idea how stupid I feel for doing it. Its cost me so many problems......kids dont change your name and move abroad! Its just a spouse visa I believe You can try applying for a "spouse visa" but with an English wife it is extremely unlikely that one will be issued. Hi, we a have all the paperwork and others have a spouse visa. they are issued to people partners who work in Thailand. we have been to immigration and there is no problems so not sure why you say this. This is not the issue here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 Type up the following document exactly. Make it fit on one page with a decent gap at the bottom. It is 99% a deed poll so you can copy and paste. Change the relevant words to suit yourself. You finish with the words, "BEFORE ME". The Consul or Vice-Consul will add everything below that. What you have just made is not a deed poll, but an affirmation that you will change your name. Make an appointment at the Embassy and complete the affirmation. The Consul will possibly seek an explanation from you, but just explain you have previously changed your name by deed poll in the UK and now you have to take care of the Thai side of things. Do not sign the form until requested to do so by the Consul. When this process is complete take the Affirmation to a translator. Get them to translate the document and arrange certification from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. You will need both your names transcribed into Thai. When that is done you will have a document that Government agencies will accept. you sir are a star. this is just what I needed to see. Im on it from tomorrow. Will have to fly to BKK as I live in Krabi. But this is great thank you very much for taking the time to show me this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I changed my name using deed pole, nothing sinister, more a drunk moment with friends. Am I the only one curious as to the "new" name chosen during the drunken moment and the "old" name which was discarded? Is it something like changing from Justin Sider to Ivor Biggin? Please tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Type up the following document exactly. Make it fit on one page with a decent gap at the bottom. It is 99% a deed poll so you can copy and paste. Change the relevant words to suit yourself. You finish with the words, "BEFORE ME". The Consul or Vice-Consul will add everything below that. What you have just made is not a deed poll, but an affirmation that you will change your name. Make an appointment at the Embassy and complete the affirmation. The Consul will possibly seek an explanation from you, but just explain you have previously changed your name by deed poll in the UK and now you have to take care of the Thai side of things. Do not sign the form until requested to do so by the Consul. When this process is complete take the Affirmation to a translator. Get them to translate the document and arrange certification from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. You will need both your names transcribed into Thai. When that is done you will have a document that Government agencies will accept. you sir are a star. this is just what I needed to see. Im on it from tomorrow. Will have to fly to BKK as I live in Krabi. But this is great thank you very much for taking the time to show me this. First thing you need to do is book an appointment here: https://www.consular-appointments.service.gov.uk/fco/#!/british-embassy-bangkok/oaths-affirmations-and-affidavits/slot_picker The first free slot I see is Wednesday 30th March. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Type up the following document exactly. Make it fit on one page with a decent gap at the bottom. It is 99% a deed poll so you can copy and paste. Change the relevant words to suit yourself. You finish with the words, "BEFORE ME". The Consul or Vice-Consul will add everything below that. What you have just made is not a deed poll, but an affirmation that you will change your name. Make an appointment at the Embassy and complete the affirmation. The Consul will possibly seek an explanation from you, but just explain you have previously changed your name by deed poll in the UK and now you have to take care of the Thai side of things. Do not sign the form until requested to do so by the Consul. When this process is complete take the Affirmation to a translator. Get them to translate the document and arrange certification from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. You will need both your names transcribed into Thai. When that is done you will have a document that Government agencies will accept. you sir are a star. this is just what I needed to see. Im on it from tomorrow. Will have to fly to BKK as I live in Krabi. But this is great thank you very much for taking the time to show me this. First thing you need to do is book an appointment here: https://www.consular-appointments.service.gov.uk/fco/#!/british-embassy-bangkok/oaths-affirmations-and-affidavits/slot_picker The first free slot I see is Wednesday 30th March. Im still waiting for a response from the UK embassy, but I jusr read this on the website and it says they dont whitness deed poles, is this different from what is being said here. or is this the nail in the coffin Witness a signatureThis service is for customers who need to sign a document and have their signature witnessed by a consular officer. The document must be prepared before your appointment. We do not handle wills or probate, or witness deed polls, or Powers of Attorney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyjim5 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Tubby Re your last post Post 4 highlighted the fact that the Embassy do not/will not sign such documents. If you have the original deed poll the Embassy may allow you to swear an affidavit to the effect that the document is genuine. "This service is for people who need to swear an oath, make an affirmation or make an affidavit in front of a consular officer. The Embassy will not draft documents for you. If unsure check with the Embassy by emailing ([email protected]) before having the document drawn up or check with a professional." https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notarial-and-documentary-services-guide-for-thailand Read down the page until you reach the heading "Administer an oath, affirmation or affidavit" Edited March 14, 2016 by sunnyjim5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Tubby Re your last post Post 4 highlighted the fact that the Embassy do not/will not sign such documents. If you have the original deed poll the Embassy may allow you to swear an affidavit to the effect that the document is genuine. "This service is for people who need to swear an oath, make an affirmation or make an affidavit in front of a consular officer. The Embassy will not draft documents for you. If unsure check with the Embassy by emailing ([email protected]) before having the document drawn up or check with a professional." https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notarial-and-documentary-services-guide-for-thailand Read down the page until you reach the heading "Administer an oath, affirmation or affidavit" many thx, Im still waiting for their reply. will post how I get on thx again :0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Im still waiting for a response from the UK embassy, but I jusr read this on the website and it says they dont whitness deed poles, is this different from what is being said here. or is this the nail in the coffinWitness a signatureThis service is for customers who need to sign a document and have their signature witnessed by a consular officer. The document must be prepared before your appointment. We do not handle wills or probate, or witness deed polls, or Powers of Attorney. Carefully reread this from a poster who knows what he is talking about: What you have just made is not a deed poll, but an affirmation that you will change your name. When dealing with the UK embassy, you need to navigate around their obstacles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 You can try applying for a "spouse visa" but with an English wife it is extremely unlikely that one will be issued. If the English wife is working in Thailand with extention and work permit it's very likely he will be issued a spouse extension. TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyjim5 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 You can try applying for a "spouse visa" but with an English wife it is extremely unlikely that one will be issued. If the English wife is working in Thailand with extention and work permit it's very likely he will be issued a spouse extension. TH Maybe but that is an extension based on dependency not a "spouse visa or a spouse extension" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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