TM30 required for extension, how does that work?

[alexlm]

Hello,

On the 24th this month I'll go to Sriracha Immigration to extend my visa exemption for 1 month.

But the last time they did a lot of problems and fined me 800 bahts.

How to avoid any problem? I'm talking with the owner of the condo I live in and he doesn't know anything about that too. Last time we shared the fine 50/50...

I would like to go to the Immigration and have all the TM30 thing done properly.

How to do?

[elviajero]

• If you have left the country since submitting the last TM30 you will need to do it again.
• It should be done every time you re-enter the country. They might fine you again when you apply for the extension of stay.

You can download the form here: http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/base.php?page=download

You don't need to take the landlord, just fill out the form, get the landlord to sign it and take a signed copy of their ID and house book (Tabien Baan).

[alexlm]

Who has to submit within 24h the TM30 form every time I re-enter Thailand? And where?

[MadMac]

Who has to submit within 24h the TM30 form every time I re-enter Thailand? And where?

The owner of your place has to, and he will be fined. However it's a tricky thing as often you don't know the owner or they are abroad.

Immigration should not make your life a misery for the extension, but they do this differently everywhere. You could go there with your rental contract earlier and ask for advise.

[elviajero]

Who has to submit within 24h the TM30 form every time I re-enter Thailand? And where?

The owner or house-master should complete the form. Anyone can submit it to the local immigration office. It can be done by post.

[alexlm]

The owner of the condo I live in will meet me Friday to give me a signed copy of the TM30 and signed copy of his ID cards and house book.

Maybe he could give me several of them since I'll have to do it every time I enter Thailand, every 2 or 3 months... ?

Can I go to the local Police Station to fill in the TM30? Because the immigration bureau is 40 minutes from my condo (far...).

And, to not get fined, can we write on the TM30 that I start to live in this condominium from Monday 21? The day I'll go to get my extension? So we not get fined??

What about the post office solution? How to do that way?

[jacksam]

The owner of the condo I live in will meet me Friday to give me a signed copy of the TM30 and signed copy of his ID cards and house book.

Maybe he could give me several of them since I'll have to do it every time I enter Thailand, every 2 or 3 months... ?

Can I go to the local Police Station to fill in the TM30? Because the immigration bureau is 40 minutes from my condo (far...).

And, to not get fined, can we write on the TM30 that I start to live in this condominium from Monday 21? The day I'll go to get my extension? So we not get fined??

What about the post office solution? How to do that way?

I find this an interesting point. I live in a condo in bkk. I fly out of Thailand prety much every week. Could be hcmc, Japan, wherever. Some posts above suggest I should be submitting a new tm30 every time I arrive in bkk. This could be 30plus per year?

Also what about trips internal in los. Say couple weeks on koh Samui etc

[Liquorice]

The owner of the condo I live in will meet me Friday to give me a signed copy of the TM30 and signed copy of his ID cards and house book.

Maybe he could give me several of them since I'll have to do it every time I enter Thailand, every 2 or 3 months... ?

Can I go to the local Police Station to fill in the TM30? Because the immigration bureau is 40 minutes from my condo (far...).

And, to not get fined, can we write on the TM30 that I start to live in this condominium from Monday 21? The day I'll go to get my extension? So we not get fined??

What about the post office solution? How to do that way?

Very few Immigration offices enforce the 24 hour rule.

Some don't even request a new TM30 each time you re-enter the Country.

You can post the documents in according to the rules.

You can download and complete the TM30 yourself as the possessor of the property.

You should explain your situation and ask what their requirements are if you constantly leave and re-enter when you do your extension.

Take photocopies of your landlords ID card and Tabian Baan for future use. (Make sure he signs the original copy before you copy)

[wobalt]

The owner of the condo I live in will meet me Friday to give me a signed copy of the TM30 and signed copy of his ID cards and house book.

Maybe he could give me several of them since I'll have to do it every time I enter Thailand, every 2 or 3 months... ?

Can I go to the local Police Station to fill in the TM30? Because the immigration bureau is 40 minutes from my condo (far...).

And, to not get fined, can we write on the TM30 that I start to live in this condominium from Monday 21? The day I'll go to get my extension? So we not get fined??

What about the post office solution? How to do that way?

I find this an interesting point. I live in a condo in bkk. I fly out of Thailand prety much every week. Could be hcmc, Japan, wherever. Some posts above suggest I should be submitting a new tm30 every time I arrive in bkk. This could be 30plus per year?

Also what about trips internal in los. Say couple weeks on koh Samui etc

I think this system is not practical especially in cities like BKK. I am leaving the country possibly every week as well. In my condo complex are living hundreds of people. Nobody knows when I am leaving and nobody has ever asked for a tm30.

[homeseeker]

According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, "House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national." If there is no immigration office in the province or locality of the respective house or hotel, the notification is made to the local police station. In Bangkok the notification is made to the Immigration Bureau. The notification of residence of foreign nationals is made by the manager of licensed hotels according to the hotel act, owners of guesthouses, mansions, apartments and rented houses using the form TM. 30.

The notification of residence of foreign nationals within 24 hours can be made in a number of ways to make the notification as convenient as possible:

• In person at the respective office, or
• Through an authorised person at the respective office, or
• By registered mail, or
• Via internet.

-I have copied the above quote from the official Thai immigration web site.

My understanding is that is no legal requirement upon tenants/hotel guests etc to do the section 38 notification.

If I am wrong then please provide the legal authority that says otherwise.

(by legal authority I mean legislation or Court decision)

[jacksam]

Homeseeker as the post before yours mentions, that member like myself leave OFTEN. I just walk out door with small bag and reappear say week later. You pay rent monthly. The reality is that often condos like mine are owned by some company and ladies in office are office staff. There is basically nobody to monitor peoples movements. Would be impossible anyway.

[thai3]

so if you lived in the same house (that you paid for) for 10 years you have to re do the TM30, or maybe not up to office/officer, every time you come back into the country? Well that's a new one on me what will they come up with next to make things easier?

[novo58]

As I have stated in other threads ....................in Aug 2015 I left Thailand for a short trip " home " to Aust and returned in Oct 2015. I went to my local Immigration office ( Udon Thani) to submit a tm30 on my return to Thailand ( took my GF along as well) .-----------was told not needed as the address was the same as they had on file , the same as written on my arrivals card at Swampy and the same as I have had since my arrival in Thailand 3 years ago ................................despite the occasional trip to Bangkok , Samui , Hua Hin and Pattaya( when I imagine that the hotels that I stayed in would have submitted a tm30).

[CMBob]

The CM Immigration people have told me that I have 7 days to file the TM30 upon return to the country. They also told me that I could file the form myself (as tenant) and, when I asked them what to do with the blank for the owner's signature, they simply said they don't care if it's signed.

Now....as to whether that information holds up again in CM or anywhere else in the country, only a soothsayer can tell you that.

[because I have to re-extend my retirement deal in the near future and because I have read a rare report or two that an extension was refused because a TM30 had not been filed, I asked my landlord if he ever filed one. Given he didn't have a clue what I was talking about, we both went to CM Immigration and took care of it. He was fined (I've been living here 4+ years) and I got the little slip of paper (also called Receipt of Notification) in my passport. As to whether I bother to file others when I return from future trips outside the country, I'm not sure....maybe.]

[steve73]

I did my retirement extension just last week.. I had copies of the house owners ID card and blue book, but IMM asked for a TM30 - I said we'd done one a few years ago when I first extended, and I'd never change address... They said they needed a new TM30 - I told them the houseowner was away for 2 weeks (my ext was due in 7 day) so they asked me to fill in the TM30, with tel no. in place of signature. Ext was approved OK, and a receipt for the TM30 was stapled in my passport - they told me to keep that in place and it would suffice in future.

If I do leave the country I'll remove and keep the TM30 myself and then put it back when I return

[cauldlad]

'' accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis ''

I think the important thing is whether Immigration class you as living in Thailand temporarily or permanent.

If you live here permanently but leave the country for say a holiday, I would suggest a new TM30 is not required. Certainly this is my experience as I have not been asked for a TM30 yet at Jomtien Immigration.

[Jedsada3]

Last time we shared the fine 50/50...

He was lucky and I am sure he likes you now! He should have paid the fine alone.

TM.30 Notification Form for House Master, Owner, or the Possessor of The Residence Where Aliens Have Stay

You don't have to do anything.

EDIT: link to immigrtion website about TM30:

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=alienstay

and what it says:

The notification of residence of foreign nationals is made by the manager of licensed hotels according to the hotel act, owners of guesthouses, mansions, apartments and rented houses using the form TM. 30.

[MadMac]

You don't have to do anything.

If you don't have that TM30 paper, you may run into problems. Latest reports say they check for it when doing 90 day reports in person.

[elviajero]

The owner of the condo I live in will meet me Friday to give me a signed copy of the TM30 and signed copy of his ID cards and house book.

Maybe he could give me several of them since I'll have to do it every time I enter Thailand, every 2 or 3 months... ?

Can I go to the local Police Station to fill in the TM30? Because the immigration bureau is 40 minutes from my condo (far...).

And, to not get fined, can we write on the TM30 that I start to live in this condominium from Monday 21? The day I'll go to get my extension? So we not get fined??

What about the post office solution? How to do that way?

• Getting several copies would be a good idea.
• No you can't submit it at the police station.
• They will go by whatever date you put on the form.
• Just post it by registered mail to your local office. Include a return, stamped, envelope for the receipt,

If I were you i would talk to the office and ask if they want you to submit it every time.

[elviajero]

The owner of the condo I live in will meet me Friday to give me a signed copy of the TM30 and signed copy of his ID cards and house book.

Maybe he could give me several of them since I'll have to do it every time I enter Thailand, every 2 or 3 months... ?

Can I go to the local Police Station to fill in the TM30? Because the immigration bureau is 40 minutes from my condo (far...).

And, to not get fined, can we write on the TM30 that I start to live in this condominium from Monday 21? The day I'll go to get my extension? So we not get fined??

What about the post office solution? How to do that way?

I find this an interesting point. I live in a condo in bkk. I fly out of Thailand prety much every week. Could be hcmc, Japan, wherever. Some posts above suggest I should be submitting a new tm30 every time I arrive in bkk. This could be 30plus per year?

Also what about trips internal in los. Say couple weeks on koh Samui etc

• I don't think you need to worry. CW don't seem to be enforcing the TM30. Anyway it's really up to the owner to inform immigration.
• You are supposed to report to the police (TM28) in Samui. This law isn't enforced anywhere so, again, you have nothing to do/worry about.

[bim]

My local office told me there is no need to fill in a TM30 if the address on your arrival card is where your staying.

[elviajero]

The owner of the condo I live in will meet me Friday to give me a signed copy of the TM30 and signed copy of his ID cards and house book.

Maybe he could give me several of them since I'll have to do it every time I enter Thailand, every 2 or 3 months... ?

Can I go to the local Police Station to fill in the TM30? Because the immigration bureau is 40 minutes from my condo (far...).

And, to not get fined, can we write on the TM30 that I start to live in this condominium from Monday 21? The day I'll go to get my extension? So we not get fined??

What about the post office solution? How to do that way?

Very few Immigration offices enforce the 24 hour rule.

Some don't even request a new TM30 each time you re-enter the Country.

You can post the documents in according to the rules.

You can download and complete the TM30 yourself as the possessor of the property.

You should explain your situation and ask what their requirements are if you constantly leave and re-enter when you do your extension.

Take photocopies of your landlords ID card and Tabian Baan for future use. (Make sure he signs the original copy before you copy)

Faz, I agree that the OP could submit the TM30 himself as the possessor. The problem comes when applying for an extension of stay. His office, like some others, want the TM30 completed by the owner with copies of ID/TB.

[elviajero]

Last time we shared the fine 50/50...

He was lucky and I am sure he likes you now! He should have paid the fine alone.

TM.30 Notification Form for House Master, Owner, or the Possessor of The Residence Where Aliens Have Stay

You don't have to do anything.

EDIT: link to immigrtion website about TM30:

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=alienstay

and what it says:

The notification of residence of foreign nationals is made by the manager of licensed hotels according to the hotel act, owners of guesthouses, mansions, apartments and rented houses using the form TM. 30.

You're right. He doesn't have to do anything. Just pay the fine every time he wants an extension of stay!

There are two issues at play.

1. The OP or owner could complete the TM30 (or not) when he arrives.
2. His, and other offices, want a TM30 when doing an extension of stay completed by the owner as a form of proof of address. At the time the application is made if a TM30 (1.) isn't on record they fine the owner 800 (max 2,000) baht. They will want to fine to owner, but note that as a tenant he is the possessor of the property and as such, according to the law, he OR the owner could be fined.

[laislica]

My local office told me there is no need to fill in a TM30 if the address on your arrival card is where your staying.

There is an excellent chance that every office will want/do things differently.

Some will have a crack down on this or that, others not.

Our local Imm in Samut Sakhon are happy for my wife to ring them to confirm that we are back.

My wife had no idea about TM30 requirements and thought I was talking rubbish.

On a trip to Imm, I took a completed TM30 and we discussed it. My wife took a bagful of cakes for them to share at tea break.

They chatted with my wife and created another piece of paperwork.

Now that we are "known" the phone call is all they need - unless we change address of course.

They do not want to be notified if we took a holiday in another province and then returned, even though the hotel would have submitted my details online.

We all got to know each other.

IMHO, the best thing to do is to visit and get to know the Imm staff (remember to take a few cakes as a thank you for their kind help and time)

Have your g/f or wife with you but make sure you are on the same page.

If you see that they are very busy be brief but keep smiling, maybe ask if there would be a better time to return to discuss this.

Have a few photos on your phone of where you live which you can show them if they wish.

Smile all the time and compliment them on their work.

More to be gained with honey than a stick!

[chaawlepcha]

Taking this oppotunity, I would like to add my obsevation.

It seems that there are two kind of procedure involved:
- one is the nomal TM 30 procedure, and
- the other is proof of residence for extension purposes, often using a form borrowed from the TM30 procedure.

For the enforcment level of the TM30 procedure varies from office to office. One office might insist on legding the paper everytime you return from domestic travel. The reasoning of this seems that the immigration system may not maintain your long-term residence as TM30 address since on-line TM30 procedure done by hotel buisiness elsewhere during the travel may have updated your record accordingly.

One of information required in TM30 procedure is TM6 number. So another office might care for this point, they likely insist on providing the paper everytime you return from international travel.

Some other office might maintain some kind of office-wide database for those done extentions. For those offices, they are not so interested in the TM30 procedure, unless you change your long-term residence.

Proof of residence borrowing TM30 form is not really under the TM30 procedure. They often requires more supporting documents if the extention concered is long-term, nomally, as I understood it, copy of retal contract and signed copies of ID card and Tabian Baan of the Thai owner or relevant Thai national.

As for Sriracha Immigration, it seems that their procedure is streamlined for long-term stayers for NON-IMM entry only and there is no simplifed procedure for short-term tourist, as not much tourists are coming there. You might need a set of document normally required for 1-year extention even if you are doing 30-day extention. Any violation might be fined even if you are genuine short-term tourist.

[Liquorice]

The owner of the condo I live in will meet me Friday to give me a signed copy of the TM30 and signed copy of his ID cards and house book.

Maybe he could give me several of them since I'll have to do it every time I enter Thailand, every 2 or 3 months... ?

Can I go to the local Police Station to fill in the TM30? Because the immigration bureau is 40 minutes from my condo (far...).

And, to not get fined, can we write on the TM30 that I start to live in this condominium from Monday 21? The day I'll go to get my extension? So we not get fined??

What about the post office solution? How to do that way?

Very few Immigration offices enforce the 24 hour rule.

Some don't even request a new TM30 each time you re-enter the Country.

You can post the documents in according to the rules.

You can download and complete the TM30 yourself as the possessor of the property.

You should explain your situation and ask what their requirements are if you constantly leave and re-enter when you do your extension.

Take photocopies of your landlords ID card and Tabian Baan for future use. (Make sure he signs the original copy before you copy)

Faz, I agree that the OP could submit the TM30 himself as the possessor. The problem comes when applying for an extension of stay. His office, like some others, want the TM30 completed by the owner with copies of ID/TB.

The problem is that many private landlords are not available, nor aware of their legal obligations!

This question about completing TM30's crops up again and again.

I would always advise to contact your own Immigration office for clarity.

The Immigration Act seems to be interpreted differently by different offices and is not specific enough under which circumstances a TM30 should be resubmitted.

It's only those who come into contact with a local Immigration office that have this problem.

There must be hundreds, if not thousands of foreigners staying long term in Thailand on Non Imm O ME Visas, who never see a local Immigration office, nor have this problem of address reporting on TM28's and TM30's. That makes a mockery of the whole system.

My office say a new TM30 should be resubmitted even if I take up the same residence again after leaving to go abroad.

They are happy for me to complete the TM30 though in the absence of my landlady.

I just go with the flow if it makes my life easier.