Pattaya Suicides

[chiang mai]

I agree that suicides is only a small proportion of the total, I don't know about anyone else but jumping off a balcony to end it all would be way down my preferred list of ways to exit when there's so many other less frightening ways to go about it - the whole balcony jumping business really does need to be rethought.

As for longevity: for my part I'd probably be dead now if I'd stayed in the UK, it was only a chance medical here (because of the availability and low cost) that my coronary blockage was detected, 84% blocked! Plus now my stress levels are far lower now than had I remained in work, the difference in the weather alone is enough to justify another ten years on my life.

[giddyup]

I agree that suicides is only a small proportion of the total, I don't know about anyone else but jumping off a balcony to end it all would be way down my preferred list of ways to exit when there's so many other less frightening ways to go about it - the whole balcony jumping business really does need to be rethought.

As for longevity: for my part I'd probably be dead now if I'd stayed in the UK, it was only a chance medical here (because of the availability and low cost) that my coronary blockage was detected, 84% blocked! Plus now my stress levels are far lower now than had I remained in work, the difference in the weather alone is enough to justify another ten years on my life.

I guess if you are that depressed jumping from a great height with a sudden stop at the end may not seem that frightening. Other more peaceful means may not be available, and a handful of pills doesn't always guarantee "success" either.

[morrobay]

Conclusion: This study demonstrates the significant association between fatal injuries (accidents) and smoking.

Like I said,we are talking suicides, not accidental deaths. Find me one that says smoking causes suicides. BTW, that report is only relating to Taiwan,

Like you said in above post : I dont know why smoking a cigarette on a balcony would make someone fall off. So I found a reference directly answering that question.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-smoking-suicide-risk-20150527-story.html

This is one off a page from a google search on smoking/suicides correlations.

I classify those with the obnoxious habit of smoking in three categories;

1. Ignorant. Too ignorant/uneducated to understand risk

2.Obnoxious.This group does not care about their health or of course any one elses.

3. Denial. This group is in a constant state of denial about risks. They avoid or discount the facts and also have reading comprehension issues.

[giddyup]

Conclusion: This study demonstrates the significant association between fatal injuries (accidents) and smoking.

Like I said,we are talking suicides, not accidental deaths. Find me one that says smoking causes suicides. BTW, that report is only relating to Taiwan,

Like you said in above post : I dont know why smoking a cigarette on a balcony would make someone fall off. So I found a reference directly answering that question.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-smoking-suicide-risk-20150527-story.html

This is one off a page from a google search on smoking/suicides correlations.

I classify those with the obnoxious habit of smoking in three categories;

1. Ignorant. Too ignorant/uneducated to understand risk

2.Obnoxious.This group does not care about their health or of course any one elses.

3. Denial. This group is in a constant state of denial about risks. They avoid or discount the facts and also have reading comprehension issues.

You are obviously an anti-smoker and will grab whatever "survey" you can find to reinforce your argument.

[JSixpack]

You are obviously an anti-smoker and will grab whatever "survey" you can find to reinforce your argument.

True. One of morrobay's little obsessions accompanied by suitable exaggeration. Note the consistent "lying around" plugin:

Something like that. But with the exception of thousands of white males walking/lying around smoking cigarettes all day.

This group is getting just about as bad as the Asian males.

This nonsense:

The majority crowds at Tuk Com are the shitloads of foreign males lying around the front steps all day smoking cigarettes.

Edited April 1, 2016 by JSixpack

[tropo]

If you're lazy in your home country, chances are you'll be lazy here, and vice versa. Diet again depends on what you're used to, eat junk food at home, you'll do it here. So your theory is not only vague, but pure conjecture.

LOL. Lighten up. Of course it's conjecture and an interesting discussion point... but there's also science behind it.

If you're lazy at home, chances are in year round 30C plus heat you'll be far more lazy. It's a matter of pure physics. Your body doesn't function as well in high temperatures PLUS humidity.

Obviously a person who eats junk at home will likely do it here - but what about the quality of the junk? What if a person eats well at home and tries to eat well here?

Does year around use of air conditioning impact the health?

I certainly feel a lot better in low 20C temps back at home and have double the energy.

[giddyup]

If you're lazy in your home country, chances are you'll be lazy here, and vice versa. Diet again depends on what you're used to, eat junk food at home, you'll do it here. So your theory is not only vague, but pure conjecture.

LOL. Lighten up. Of course it's conjecture and an interesting discussion point... but there's also science behind it.

If you're lazy at home, chances are in year round 30C plus heat you'll be far more lazy. It's a matter of pure physics. Your body doesn't function as well in high temperatures PLUS humidity.

Obviously a person who eats junk at home will likely do it here - but what about the quality of the junk? What if a person eats well at home and tries to eat well here?

Does year around use of air conditioning impact the health?

I certainly feel a lot better in low 20C temps back at home and have double the energy.

I'm as light as air baby, just don't p*ss on my leg and tell me it's raining! Lazy is lazy, do you want to say how much lazier you'd be in Thailand if you were lazy in your home country, 5%, 10%? Do Mackers and KFC sell a better quality junk food in the west that Thailand? You are grasping at straws here.

Edited April 1, 2016 by giddyup

[Rimmer]

Some bickering posts removed

[tropo]

If you're lazy in your home country, chances are you'll be lazy here, and vice versa. Diet again depends on what you're used to, eat junk food at home, you'll do it here. So your theory is not only vague, but pure conjecture.

LOL. Lighten up. Of course it's conjecture and an interesting discussion point... but there's also science behind it.

If you're lazy at home, chances are in year round 30C plus heat you'll be far more lazy. It's a matter of pure physics. Your body doesn't function as well in high temperatures PLUS humidity.

Obviously a person who eats junk at home will likely do it here - but what about the quality of the junk? What if a person eats well at home and tries to eat well here?

Does year around use of air conditioning impact the health?

I certainly feel a lot better in low 20C temps back at home and have double the energy.

I'm as light as air baby, just don't p*ss on my leg and tell me it's raining! Lazy is lazy, do you want to say how much lazier you'd be in Thailand if you were lazy in your home country, 5%, 10%? Do Mackers and KFC sell a better quality junk food in the west that Thailand? You are grasping at straws here.

A poor diet doesn't have to be take away junk from KFC and McDonalds. In Thailand it can be food purchased from unsanitary street carts - that could really mess with your health.

But let's not fixate on bad diets. Let's compare a healthy eater from back at home trying to eat healthy in Thailand... what do you say about this?

An energetic person back at home can easily become lazy and very lethargic in tropical weather. It's a struggle to stay fit in high temperatures as it saps your energy and makes you a far less efficient calorie burner. I can't believe I even have to argue this point as its so self evident.

[giddyup]

A poor diet doesn't have to be take away junk from KFC and McDonalds. In Thailand it can be food purchased from unsanitary street carts - that could really mess with your health.

But let's not fixate on bad diets. Let's compare a healthy eater from back at home trying to eat healthy in Thailand... what do you say about this?

An energetic person back at home can easily become lazy and very lethargic in tropical weather. It's a struggle to stay fit in high temperatures as it saps your energy and makes you a far less efficient calorie burner. I can't believe I even have to argue this point as its so self evident.

Why are you talking bad diets and laziness? Seems you're a tad fixated. Move on, the topic is suicides.

[manxninja]

Suicide is a brave way to go out.

Whilst I do not understand the mindset, a person is brave to do it.

If you don't believe me try and hold your breath underwater until you pass out, see how easy it is.

I have encountered a couple of friends hang themselves, none I would have thought had problems in their life.

Be nice to people, your not here for long.

[tropo]

Why are you talking bad diets and laziness? Seems you're a tad fixated. Move on, the topic is suicides.

Quite simply because of the content and tone of your earlier replies. ... but

... bad diets will lead to poor health, obesity, fatigue (incorrectly referred to as laziness) etc, which is likely to lead to depression, so the topics are somewhat related. Add alcohol, bad women and drugs to the equation and you're dealing with a very deadly combination.

[jimmybkk]

In the UK hanging is by far the preferred method for committing suicide. If you live in a condo in Pattaya that option has not been removed from the equation, so why would hangers suddenly become jumpers?

And for those who are suggesting that the height of the balcony rails here are lower than they are in the UK which leads to many more accidental falls... Are you serious? How many people do you know in the UK who live in a place with a balcony?

[chiang mai]

In the UK hanging is by far the preferred method for committing suicide. If you live in a condo in Pattaya that option has not been removed from the equation, so why would hangers suddenly become jumpers?

And for those who are suggesting that the height of the balcony rails here are lower than they are in the UK which leads to many more accidental falls... Are you serious? How many people do you know in the UK who live in a place with a balcony?

No, you don't get it Jimmy! Nobody is suggesting UK homes have balconies, all that is being said is that protective guard railings of ANY type are of a lower height here, including balcony railing heights.

[tropo]

In the UK hanging is by far the preferred method for committing suicide. If you live in a condo in Pattaya that option has not been removed from the equation, so why would hangers suddenly become jumpers?

And for those who are suggesting that the height of the balcony rails here are lower than they are in the UK which leads to many more accidental falls... Are you serious? How many people do you know in the UK who live in a place with a balcony?

A ladyboy tried to hang herself from a fan in the unit above mine a few years back - but fortunately the fan came off the ceiling.

[giddyup]

Why are you talking bad diets and laziness? Seems you're a tad fixated. Move on, the topic is suicides.

Quite simply because of the content and tone of your earlier replies. ... but

... bad diets will lead to poor health, obesity, fatigue (incorrectly referred to as laziness) etc, which is likely to lead to depression, so the topics are somewhat related. Add alcohol, bad women and drugs to the equation and you're dealing with a very deadly combination.

Don't forget cigarettes, someone suggested there's a direct link between smoking and suicide. Oh, and Coke, that probably contributes to diabetes, then there's red meat, butter, and sex. If we banned all those things I guess we could eliminate suicide altogether.

[subterminalvelocity]

I jump balconies with a BASE rig instead and have no suicidal tendencies.

Most of the lads I know here in the city are fairly well adjusted.

By contrast, dudes I know of and have seen about Pattaya are unhealthy and unsightly specimens.....let's say the bottom feeders of those ex-pats in Thailand.

Irrespective of age, they, as a group, lack physical and mental health, true friends, and adequate financial resources.

After a while it dawns on them that they are about equal to the lower class here in Thailand...never had it, never made it, and never will. Coupled with the onset of depression, they take the losers way out and end it.

Hard call but this is my opinion.

[giddyup]

I jump balconies with a BASE rig instead and have no suicidal tendencies.

Most of the lads I know here in the city are fairly well adjusted.

By contrast, dudes I know of and have seen about Pattaya are unhealthy and unsightly specimens.....let's say the bottom feeders of those ex-pats in Thailand.

Irrespective of age, they, as a group, lack physical and mental health, true friends, and adequate financial resources.

After a while it dawns on them that they are about equal to the lower class here in Thailand...never had it, never made it, and never will. Coupled with the onset of depression, they take the losers way out and end it.

Hard call but this is my opinion.

Nothing like sweeping with a broad brush. There are plenty of famous people who have committed suicide due to ill health or whatever. People who have achieved more worthwhile things than you ever will, so because they choose to take control of their own destiny, that makes them a loser?

Edited April 2, 2016 by giddyup

[tropo]

Why are you talking bad diets and laziness? Seems you're a tad fixated. Move on, the topic is suicides.

Quite simply because of the content and tone of your earlier replies. ... but

... bad diets will lead to poor health, obesity, fatigue (incorrectly referred to as laziness) etc, which is likely to lead to depression, so the topics are somewhat related. Add alcohol, bad women and drugs to the equation and you're dealing with a very deadly combination.

Don't forget cigarettes, someone suggested there's a direct link between smoking and suicide. Oh, and Coke, that probably contributes to diabetes, then there's red meat, butter, and sex. If we banned all those things I guess we could eliminate suicide altogether.

Cigarettes weren't forgotten. They could be included under the category of "drugs" no?

If people eat well, exercise frequently and don't partake in drugs they're more likely to be mentally stable and less likely to suicide.

Putting aside the fact that most of your comments are designed to wind people up, your comment on diabetes has merit. How would you feel if due to diabetes you were losing your eyesight and had to have a leg amputated? Perhaps a bit depressed?

Edited April 2, 2016 by tropo

[chiang mai]

I jump balconies with a BASE rig instead and have no suicidal tendencies.

Most of the lads I know here in the city are fairly well adjusted.

By contrast, dudes I know of and have seen about Pattaya are unhealthy and unsightly specimens.....let's say the bottom feeders of those ex-pats in Thailand.

Irrespective of age, they, as a group, lack physical and mental health, true friends, and adequate financial resources.

After a while it dawns on them that they are about equal to the lower class here in Thailand...never had it, never made it, and never will. Coupled with the onset of depression, they take the losers way out and end it.

Hard call but this is my opinion.

Judge not a book by its cover.

[giddyup]

Why are you talking bad diets and laziness? Seems you're a tad fixated. Move on, the topic is suicides.

Quite simply because of the content and tone of your earlier replies. ... but

... bad diets will lead to poor health, obesity, fatigue (incorrectly referred to as laziness) etc, which is likely to lead to depression, so the topics are somewhat related. Add alcohol, bad women and drugs to the equation and you're dealing with a very deadly combination.

Don't forget cigarettes, someone suggested there's a direct link between smoking and suicide. Oh, and Coke, that probably contributes to diabetes, then there's red meat, butter, and sex. If we banned all those things I guess we could eliminate suicide altogether.

Cigarettes weren't forgotten. They could be included under the category of "drugs" no?

If people eat well, exercise frequently and don't partake in drugs they're more likely to be mentally stable and less likely to suicide.

Putting aside the fact that most of your comments are designed to wind people up, your comment on diabetes has merit. How would you feel if due to diabetes you were losing your eyesight and had to have a leg amputated? Perhaps a bit depressed?

Depression is recognised as a disease, and in fact can be hereditary, there can be many causes, no doubt some of the things you have mentioned, but IMO the major cause for suicide in Pattaya is age related, and with age comes illness, whether you've live right or not. If I'm unfortunate to contract something horrible I wouldn't take suicide off the table either. Nothing dignified about a slow painful death.

[jimmybkk]

The title of this thread is Pattaya Suicides, but the OP's post referred specifically to jumpers and it does seem that the number of foreigners in Pattaya choosing jumping as their preferred method is disproportionately high compared with how they would most likely do it in their home countries and how Thais, who apparently are quite prone to suicide, prefer to do it here.

"Yongyuth, also chief adviser to the Mental Health Department (MHD), said the most commonly used methods were hanging (70 per cent), poisoning (20 per cent) and shooting (10 per cent)" (Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Thailand-has-third-most-suicides-in-the-world-30280354.html)

When you hear of cases such as that of the photographer Howard Greene in Pattaya who apparently managed to jump an hour after he had died, or Chris John Beyer's "suicide" in Phuket: "The corpse was found lying face-up dressed only in a pair of purple shorts. One arm was handcuffed to the bed and the other was tied with power cable to a table. There was a black plastic bag over his head and three lengths of rubber tubing around his neck to prevent air from entering the bag." (Source: http://phuketgazette.net/news/index.asp?id=3553), it makes you wonder about some of the others...

I little while ago I was chatting with the owner of a driving range in Pattaya who told me that his wife and son were at home alone watching TV one night and fell asleep on the sofa. When they woke up they discovered their house had been burgled while they slept. They also awoke feeling really groggy with headaches and other symptoms. The police were called along with a doctor to check them out and apparently the doctor told them that they had most likely been knocked out with some kind of gas and that it was not an uncommon event. One could be forgiven for putting 2 & 2 together and concluding that a jumper's room showing "no signs of a struggle" is not necessarily as cut-and-dried as it first seems...

On the subject of suicides and diet, I just read something very interesting that ties in with Tropo's post:

... bad diets will lead to poor health, obesity, fatigue (incorrectly referred to as laziness) etc, which is likely to lead to depression, so the topics are somewhat related. Add alcohol, bad women and drugs to the equation and you're dealing with a very deadly combination.

"In one study, researchers at the University of Northwestern Ohio looked at the effect of aspartame (an artificial sweetener) on people with a history of depression and found that it significantly worsened symptoms. In fact, those symptoms got so bad that the study had to be stopped—some study participants actually developed suicidal thoughts." (Source: http://www.prevention.com/food/foods-cause-depression)

That's bad... You're overweight, fatigued and depressed and an attempt at self-improvement by switching to Diet Coke and sugar-free everything may push you deeper into depression and possibly make you suicidal.