Supporters gather as Israeli soldier appears in court

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Supporters gather as Israeli soldier appears in court
By Catherine Hardy | With REUTERS, AFP. HAARETZ



HEBRON: --In Israel, demonstrators have gathered in support of a soldier who is accused of deliberately shooting a Palestinian.

The case is being heard at the Bar Lev military base in the western Israeli town of Kiryat Malachi.

Inside, prosecutors asked for the 19-year-old soldier’s detention to be extended until April 7.

Why did the shooting happen?

The Israeli military says two Palestinians stabbed and wounded an Israeli soldier in Hebron last Thursday.

The first attacker was shot by troops.

Amateur video has emerged appearing to show an Israeli soldier shooting the already wounded second Palestinian attacker as he lay injured on the ground.

Critics say this was effectively an extra-judicial killing or “execution”.

What has been the response?

There has been uproar over the incident, reflecting what commentators say is the divided opinion in the Israel following six months of violence with the Palestinians.

It has also exposed deep divisions within Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s governing five-party coalition.

Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings.

What the prosecution says

“The inquiry is investigating whether the soldier fired deliberately and without justification,” – Lieutenant Adoram Rigler.
Other soldiers and health workers at the scene do not seem concerned for their immediate safety

What the defence says

The soldier acted in self-defence. The Palestinian attacker could have a concealed bomb belt under his clothing

The context

A wave of violence has surged through Jerusalem and the West Bank since the beginning of last October.

200 Palestinians have lost their lives along with 28 Israelis, two Americans and one Sudanese national.

-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2016-03-30

[NeilSA1]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

[kblaze]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Think you need to see the context here.

This wasn't an attack on Israeli citizens in an Israeli town.

This was an attack on a foreign invader (Israeli soldier) in a Palestinian town which has seen a big influx of extremist settlers.

[casualbiker]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Have you seen the video? The Palestinian was lying on the ground having already been shot. The ambulance crews (2 of them) gave no assistants at all. The soldiers were walking passed the man. The ambulances were leaving. The Palestinian was barely moving then the Israeli soldier held up his rifle and shot the Palestinian in the head.

[NeilSA1]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Have you seen the video? The Palestinian was lying on the ground having already been shot. The ambulance crews (2 of them) gave no assistants at all. The soldiers were walking passed the man. The ambulances were leaving. The Palestinian was barely moving then the Israeli soldier held up his rifle and shot the Palestinian in the head.

I saw the video. "Extrajudicial killings .... should not be condoned"

[NeilSA1]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Think you need to see the context here.

This wasn't an attack on Israeli citizens in an Israeli town.

This was an attack on a foreign invader (Israeli soldier) in a Palestinian town which has seen a big influx of extremist settlers.

I do see the context. As I said, I condemn the extrajudicial killings, but have to ask the question regarding excessive force - "...how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians ? "​ The fact that the soldiers are in a Palestinian town surely does not warrant life threatening attacks on them, if you feel that their action is warranted then you obviously must also expect, and condone extrajudicial killings.

[oldsailor35]

Tell the bloody Palistinians, not to come trying to kill, then they won't get shot. No terrorist should be spared as he knows what he is doing and does not care who he kills. Self defense must be allowed at all costs.

[oldsailor35]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Think you need to see the context here.

This wasn't an attack on Israeli citizens in an Israeli town.

This was an attack on a foreign invader (Israeli soldier) in a Palestinian town which has seen a big influx of extremist settlers.

I see, so murder and terrorism is ok in your feeble sick mind ,is ir.

[Galactus]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

first of all, where those IDF soldiers attacked were in Palestinian land stolen by Israel.

So, it is not an attack out of blue and it is not terrorism but just a resistance. an outcome of years of land stealing, house arsoning, phosphorus bombing and oppression by Israel.

second, extrajudicial killings such as this case are called a 'war crime'. The young killer dog and his commanders and most importantly the ones giving orders needs to be trialed same as some nazis before or recently serbian butcher Radovan Karadzic.

third, a righteous person should condemn a murder whoever doing it. whoever supports and not condemning an alleged bloody murder is not a righteous person in the first place and basically someone brainwashed and radical.

such as this bigot rabbi, he supports a murder and a murderer plus ethnic cleansing on top so he is not a righteous guy. What he is saying is even against his religion sadly!

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.711199

Edited March 30, 2016 by Galactus

[oldsailor35]

Consider the mental state of this young soldier, in his mind he imagined that the terrorist had a bomb, no time to stuff around, its the quick or the dead here.

[wabothai]

Supporters of a 19-year old executioner. Makes one think of a misguided and revengeful kid being supported by a mob of ultra rights.

[casualbiker]

Consider the mental state of this young soldier, in his mind he imagined that the terrorist had a bomb, no time to stuff around, its the quick or the dead here.

Rubbish.. Watch the video. Nothing of the sort.

[kblaze]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Think you need to see the context here.

This wasn't an attack on Israeli citizens in an Israeli town.

This was an attack on a foreign invader (Israeli soldier) in a Palestinian town which has seen a big influx of extremist settlers.

I do see the context. As I said, I condemn the extrajudicial killings, but have to ask the question regarding excessive force - "...how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians ? "​ The fact that the soldiers are in a Palestinian town surely does not warrant life threatening attacks on them, if you feel that their action is warranted then you obviously must also expect, and condone extrajudicial killings.

"The fact that the soldiers are in a Palestinian town surely does not warrant life threatening attacks on them"

Its not about whether they have a "right" to shoot dead attackers. The correct question to be asked is - why are they there in the first place? They are foreign occupying force. They should absolutely expect to be attacked.

[kblaze]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Think you need to see the context here.

This wasn't an attack on Israeli citizens in an Israeli town.

This was an attack on a foreign invader (Israeli soldier) in a Palestinian town which has seen a big influx of extremist settlers.

I see, so murder and terrorism is ok in your feeble sick mind ,is ir.

Murder would be attacking a civilian sir. Attacking a foreign occupying soldier is terrorism? I'm sure the victims of real terrorism in Brussels, Paris, and New York appreciate you cheapening the word.

[Galactus]

Consider the mental state of this young soldier, in his mind he imagined that the terrorist had a bomb, no time to stuff around, its the quick or the dead here.

do you believe what you say? frankly!

If the guy had explosive vest, he blow the Israeli soldiers first, not attack them with a knife.

and while the guy was on the ground before murdered by a young dog, other Israeli soldiers walk around, tie their shoelaces and they dont look like they are threatened.

the mental stage of that young murderer is filled with ultranationalistic bigot sh..ite and brainwashing by his masters.

you should condemn such murder not support. whoever supports an alleged murder is also a murderer or might commit similar murder in the future, that is what i believe.

Edited March 30, 2016 by Galactus

[kblaze]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/mario-vargas-llosa-how-arabs-have-been-driven-out-of-hebron-811770.html

"Some 25,000 residents have been cleared from their homes in H-2 zone in five years. In the Tel Rumeida neighbourhood alone, where there is a settlement of the same name, barely 50 out of 500 Arab families remain."

Edited March 30, 2016 by kblaze

[Steely Dan]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Think you need to see the context here.

This wasn't an attack on Israeli citizens in an Israeli town.

This was an attack on a foreign invader (Israeli soldier) in a Palestinian town which has seen a big influx of extremist settlers.

I do see the context. As I said, I condemn the extrajudicial killings, but have to ask the question regarding excessive force - "...how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians ? "​ The fact that the soldiers are in a Palestinian town surely does not warrant life threatening attacks on them, if you feel that their action is warranted then you obviously must also expect, and condone extrajudicial killings.

"The fact that the soldiers are in a Palestinian town surely does not warrant life threatening attacks on them"

Its not about whether they have a "right" to shoot dead attackers. The correct question to be asked is - why are they there in the first place? They are foreign occupying force. They should absolutely expect to be attacked.

Your view is in effect that Israelis found on what you refer to as 'occupied' land have no rights whatsoever, even the right to life. I put it to you that by your own morals Israelis could rightly conclude that any terrorist who tries to deny them the right to life forfeits their own right to it.

Perhaps a head shot to make sure from the off would have been wiser.

[wabothai]

The silence of the usual IDF pros is deafening here.

[Galactus]

The silence of the usual IDF pros is deafening here.

yep, harsh realities especially the ones captured by cameras sometime have a side effect of muteness such as this case.

maybe even they see the harsh reality and cannot find any reason to morally and ethically to support such a murder or comment on this.

i know the fact that, if as an Israeli, if you condemn such bloody murdered dog in a wrong place and time, you might get beaten or jailed or socially left alone.

so i am sure some Israelis scare to criticize such horrible actions fearing community pressure or fear of losing their jobs or businesses. They are also human, families to feed etc.

The Israelis that can criticize the actions of IDF or politicians or bigot rabbis without fear, they are in my heart and they are my brothers.

Edited March 30, 2016 by Galactus

[kblaze]

"The fact that the soldiers are in a Palestinian town surely does not warrant life threatening attacks on them"

Its not about whether they have a "right" to shoot dead attackers. The correct question to be asked is - why are they there in the first place? They are foreign occupying force. They should absolutely expect to be attacked.

Your view is in effect that Israelis found on what you refer to as 'occupied' land have no rights whatsoever, even the right to life. I put it to you that by your own morals Israelis could rightly conclude that any terrorist who tries to deny them the right to life forfeits their own right to it.

Perhaps a head shot to make sure from the off would have been wiser.

Its not about "Israelis" - its about Israeli soldiers. Any people have a right to resist a foreign occupying force.

And please - can we save the word terrorist for when it is truly applicable and not cheapen it? Terrorists commit mass attacks against civilians and non-combatants. A terrorist is not someone who tries to stab a soldier of an occupying force.

[wabothai]

The silence of the usual IDF pros is deafening here.

yep, harsh realities especially the ones captured by cameras sometime have a side effect of muteness such as this case.

maybe even they see the harsh reality and cannot find any reason to morally and ethically to support such a murder or comment on this.

i know the fact that, if as an Israeli, if you condemn such bloody murdered dog in a wrong place and time, you might get beaten or jailed or socially left alone.

so i am sure some Israelis scare to criticize such horrible actions fearing community pressure or fear of losing their jobs or businesses. They are also human, families to feed etc.

The Israelis that can criticize the actions of IDF or politicians or bigot rabbis without fear, they are in my heart and they are my brothers.

Well said Galactus.

[up2u2]

An Israeli soldier executes a Palestinian man and Israeli people are protesting in support of the soldier? Beyond any rational belief.

[up-country_sinclair]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Think you need to see the context here.

This wasn't an attack on Israeli citizens in an Israeli town.

This was an attack on a foreign invader (Israeli soldier) in a Palestinian town which has seen a big influx of extremist settlers.

100% accurate.

Of course the occupiers and their apologists don't want these facts to reach the mainstream. They'll just keep up with their blatant Islamophobia and Muslim demonization agenda. But that's fine because it allows everyone know who and what they are.

Edited March 30, 2016 by up-country_sinclair

[Jingthing]

" Palestinians, meanwhile, say the shooting proves their claims that Israel is guilty of using excessive force and carrying out extrajudicial killings. "

Extrajudicial killings are one aspect of retaliation that may be understandable, but should not be condoned, - but how do the Palestinians expect Israel soldiers to react against life threatening attacks on them and the public, by knife wielding kamikaze Palestinians. What force is used by the Palestinians attackers to thrust their knives in human bodies with the sole aim of murder?

Think you need to see the context here.

This wasn't an attack on Israeli citizens in an Israeli town.

This was an attack on a foreign invader (Israeli soldier) in a Palestinian town which has seen a big influx of extremist settlers.

Palestine doesn't exist as a state and NEVER has.

There was British Mandate Palestine which included a lot more land than Israel/West Bank/Gaza and included Palestinian Jews and Arabs who did NOT identify as Palestinians.

West Bank is a case of DISPUTED TERRITORY.

I think many people of good will, including me, hope that someday there can be peaceful and secure separate states of Israel and Palestine but we aren't nearly there yet.

You're correct the Jews in Hebron area tend to be unusually extremist.

[Jingthing]

An Israeli soldier executes a Palestinian man and Israeli people are protesting in support of the soldier? Beyond any rational belief.

It's not all Israelis so don't exaggerate. Just as presenting a leftist Israeli Haaretz editorial wouldn't represent all Israelis either. You're talking about a nation with diverse opinions.

Speaking of exaggeration you fail to mention that the man shot in the head had attacked soldiers with a knife so he knew full well he was likely headed towards a heroic martyrdom, fancy funeral, and maybe a a street named after him. The issue here and it's a legit issue is whether there was any cause to shoot a man who was already down. There probably wasn't and that will be determined and if proven guilty the rogue IDF soldier who acted alone will be subject to punishment, possibly very severe punishment depending on the charge.

Edited March 30, 2016 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Whether you choose to use loaded words like occupied and invaders or not, I suppose it is true that in a CONFLICT ZONE in an area of DISPUTED BORDERS to attack ARMED SOLDIERS really isn't terrorism. There are enough real cases of real terrorism against civilians by Palestinians without expanding it to include against IDF soldiers ...

Regarding THIS case, as far as the obsessive Israel demonization agenda is concerned, they will continue to pour the hate on Israel regardless of the outcome of this case. Everyone knows that.

If the soldier gets off or gets a light punishment, it will be said IDF soldiers are never held to account to breaking the ethical code. If he gets a severe punishment (my prediction), it will be said it's only because this case has gotten so much press attention.

Either way, the conflict goes on, and the Israel demonization agenda never rests either.

[mrsomchai]

Its really ridiculously funny to read some of the arab cheer leading squad comments.

Whenever Arabs celebrate the murder of Jews or a stature in the name of the killer, the cheer leaders join in celebration.

However whenever people show any kind of support for a soldier killing a killer, all over sudden, cheer leaders have their knickers in a twist.

So its perfectly acceptable to kill jews yet apparently a crime against humanity to kill an arab terrorist, not only that, but apparently jews, should FIRST attend to injured arab terrorists to save their life before attending to its wounded soldier.

All those who showed up in support most likely have lost a family member at one point in time to arab terrorism. Saying that those who showed up are a MINORITY as oppose to arabs holding national celebrations whenever jew is killed.

For anyone with any functional brain cells, what did you think that arab was thinking going to happen after he attacks armed soldier?

He would be wounded and then nursed back in JEWISH hospital by JEWISH doctors? or was he ready to be killed to meet his virgins and camels?

To avoid arab cheer leaders having a heart attack, ,NO I do not agree with soldier shooting him, HOWEVER it is NOT an every day practice but an isolated incident.

An incident which happens too often in any military conflict, in many cases by far much worse than this, when solider go and execute dozens of on lookers.

I also do not agree with Israeli policy on providing FREE medical help to these terrorist. After the attack, just leave them there for their cousins to nurse, instead of wasting people's money on healing them, then jailing and feeding them and then releasing them on some exchange or pardon program.

In all the conflicts for the past 2 decades, none of the countries provided medical care for the opposite side or terrorists to attacked them, yet here we are demonizing Israel for actually being more humane than most armies in the world.

Arab cheerleader, do tell us how many ISIS fighters were rescued and treated by US or any of the coalition partners?

How many were rescued or saved by Iran in Syria? or by Iraqis or French in Libya? Saudi's in Yemen?

[Jingthing]

I agree the cheer leading for Palestinian terrorists is disgusting and we see that very often on this forum, but I don't agree that Israel should abandon ethical values when dealing with injured people, etc.

Edited March 30, 2016 by Jingthing

[mrsomchai]

I agree the cheer leading for Palestinian terrorists is disgusting and we see that very often on this forum, but I don't agree that Israel should abandon ethical values when dealing with injured people, etc.

Thats the problem, being ethical does not work in arab world, the only language that works is pure and utter brutality.

Sharia law is what they understand. humane or ethical is way beyond their comprehension.

Like it or not, thats the way it always was and most likely will be. Arab spring was a perfect demonstration of that.

[Jingthing]

I understand Israel is in a very rough neighborhood and they have to continue to be HARD CORE in order to continue to exist. That's a given. But I'm idealistic enough to think there can be a balance that includes ethical standards.