Changin' attitudes?

[Gecko123]

Just watched an episode of 'The Sky has Eyes.' (Channel 7 Saturdays 3:00 PM.) The episode was a cautionary tale about a Thai woman who gets involved with a foreign guy and ends up getting burned.

The plot:

Woman separated from husband, works in an office, lives with her mother and 8th grade daughter. Thai hubby works construction, wants to get back together and be a family again, but the wife thinks he doesn't make enough money and has too many debts. The mother tells the wife if she goes to work, perhaps selling food in the market, she'll have enough money to make things work out financially with her former husband. The wife rejects this idea and instead decides to explore internet dating. She meets an American businessman on Facebook. The wife's co-workers get wind of this whirlwind romance, counsel her to take it slow, but she ignores their warnings. Before they even meet, the American guy sweet talks her into getting engaged by telling her how rich he is, how he will take care of her, and how beautiful she is. In the end, the foreigner backs out at the last minute, claiming he's sick, and the wife goes berserk.

It seems like in the past there was a gung-ho mentality that any Thai women hooking up with a foreign man had hit the jackpot, but lately it seems like these attitudes have changed. That this cautionary tale was aired on TV struck me as a confirmation of this.

Your thoughts please on whether or not Thai attitudes about dating/marrying foreigners are changing.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Gecko123

[SoiBiker]

I guess after the prince turns into a frog enough times, people start to get the message.

[sipi]

The Thai women I have met are not desperate. They too have choice.

[JLCrab]

Two questions: Was the American in the story really rich and what was his ThaiVisa handle?

[Gecko123]

Two questions: Was the American in the story really rich and what was his ThaiVisa handle?

He was a wealthy business owner, promising a 2mm baht sin sod.

[neverdie]

I think there has always been two chains of thought about Thai marrying foreigners and how well they do. Often the perceived result and the reality are two different things.

I've seen a lot of Thai women abroad that are doing it real tough with their deadshiiit foreign husbands. It's always been well known this happens, a common subject amongst thais, always has been.

[neverdie]

Two questions: Was the American in the story really rich and what was his ThaiVisa handle?

He was a wealthy business owner, promising a 2mm baht sin sod.

Plenty of scummy farang around taking advantage of Thai women.

[JLCrab]

Some have the money and then back out and some just pretend to have the money and let her play her part for a while before disappearing.

[BritManToo]

Plenty of scummy farang around taking advantage of Thai women.

Plenty of scummy Thai women taking advantage of foreign men too.

But rather less Thais calling other Thais scum, I think.

[neverdie]

Plenty of scummy farang around taking advantage of Thai women.

Plenty of scummy Thai women taking advantage of foreign men too.

But rather less Thais calling other Thais scum, I think.

Well your first point gets mentioned plenty of time on TVF........but essentially u r 100% correct sir.

Still, it always amazes me how stupid westerners actually are. They lob up with all the real odds stacked against them, bed down with the worst of the worst then moan when they get bit.

Some of them do it again and again. For example, I know of one pathetic farang who lets just say is a morbidly obese 50 something year old grub with an absolute vile character. This guy is a plain outright nasty individual. He works away somewhere back in his crao dark dingy, cold and wet country in his 9-5 job as a salesman until he scrapes away enough money to afford an airfare to Thailand with some accomodation in seedyville tourist zone, soi drop kick.

After squeezing his XXXXXXL sized backside into the plane seat and back out again he arrives and moves as fast as his chubby little legs will allow so he can start trawling sois looking for any buzzard that might have low enough standards to goto bed with him. He's well versed in the process and eventually hooks up with some slapper, who he makes his new companion and of course she's a lucky girl afterall she gets to share all her time over the preceding weeks with this fat sweating vile nasty individual.

During the forts hip old blubberguts actually forgets it's a financial relationship and of course like any business transaction the workforce likes to move on when the funds dry up.

At this point enraged, old blubberboy releases a tirade of abuse onto everyone and anyone before retreating to his taxpayer sponsored dark mouldy and dingy abode back in crapsville. Still extremely dissatisfied with his "lost love' and the few thousand euros he's lost he immediately jumps on the Internet and starts spewing vile around the world via forums, blogs and possibly even other modes of online cheap & nasty jargon.

So tell me, who's scamming who here?

Anyway, old blubberguts soon gets busy in his mundane job, working 9-5, feeding his fat multilevelled chin with takeaway, madly saving his pennies for his next Thailand adventure where he will do it all over again. Naturally he spends his downtime, spewing more bile across the World Wide Web and using his modified bottom buddy to manipulate his genitals which are otherwise unreachable.

Let's face it, old blubberguts is scaming himself and there's thousand of these stupid individuals turning up each week......sure they're not as all bad as blubberguts, but they vary by degree, that's all.

The Thais figured out what was going on, long, long, long ago.

Edited April 2, 2016 by neverdie

[BritManToo]

During the forts hip old blubberguts actually forgets it's a financial relationship and of course like any business transaction the workforce likes to move on when the funds dry up.

When we go to the movies, we are buying into a fantasy, the more you can forget it's fake, the better the movie.

When I read a book, I'm escaping into another fantasy world.

The great thing about Thai hookers, is the complete fantasy they can provide.

For a week or two Mr. Chubby can forget who he really is, and be the slim, hansum and witty guy, he always fantasized about being.

Who can blame him?

Not me.

On a more personal note, every Thai hooker I ever spent time with, provided me with a better 'love fantasy' than the supposed real love my English wife of over 20 years ever managed to show. I enjoy the Thai 'love fantasy', much better than reality.

Edited April 3, 2016 by BritManToo

[totally thaied up]

A friend of mine yesterday said "If a Thai girls takes you for US$20,000 and that is all you have, your a fool but if you are a multi-millionaire it is only a lesson". We have too many of these fools showing up each week in Thailand.

Too many believe in that fantasy world and the fantasy that many of these Thai girls can give to squeeze out that money from them, seems so real, the fools get lost in it.

Sure, many times it is not the Thai girls fault as when you have nothing (like many of these girls do) but see for a simple shag you can have something (money), what do you think they will do. Sure is not rocket science...

[BritManToo]

A friend of mine yesterday said "If a Thai girls takes you for US$20,000 and that is all you have, your a fool but if you are a multi-millionaire it is only a lesson". We have too many of these fools showing up each week in Thailand.

I don't think $20k can be considered a lot.

[neverdie]

A friend of mine yesterday said "If a Thai girls takes you for US$20,000 and that is all you have, your a fool but if you are a multi-millionaire it is only a lesson". We have too many of these fools showing up each week in Thailand.

Too many believe in that fantasy world and the fantasy that many of these Thai girls can give to squeeze out that money from them, seems so real, the fools get lost in it.

Sure, many times it is not the Thai girls fault as when you have nothing (like many of these girls do) but see for a simple shag you can have something (money), what do you think they will do. Sure is not rocket science...

It's funny when the front who loses 20,000 bucks or euros gets all washed up in lid, races back to his mediocre job as a shopping cart pusher or rug salesperson, grinds away for another 12 months before returning to listen and repeating the process. At the end of each trip they fuel their dislike for the 'evil Thai hookers' and some even write blogs or books about it.

These guys are so low they could parachute from a snakes rectum.

[totally thaied up]

A few years ago I was at a night club with my partner. Some 70 year old guy sat next to us and hit up one of our friends. The girl was Transgender and he bought her a few drinks, made it look like he had lots of cash. After a hour or so, she told him he was not interested in him and he was too old for her. She said, do you know I am Transgender and he said no and went crazy at us. She ended up slapping him for calling her a Ladyboy whore (her family owned a chain of service stations out in our village an she was well heeled). I ended up grabbing him and frog marched him out the bar.

Plenty of idiots here like that are just fools and like some say here, they are too stupid not to stop that process. Attitudes here in some ways have changed as the girls (well the people I hang around) suffer no fools for long and if they do, they are being smart and just gaming these old fools for the cash and in my view, good on them...

[BritManToo]

It's funny when the front who loses 20,000 bucks or euros gets all washed up in lid, races back to his mediocre job as a shopping cart pusher or rug salesperson, grinds away for another 12 months before returning to listen and repeating the process. At the end of each trip they fuel their dislike for the 'evil Thai hookers' and some even write blogs or books about it.

I once drank 6 large beer Changs.

You should have heard me slag that beer off for the next week or two (cheap poisonous muck).

But I've had more of them since then. Isn't it a similar sort of experience and reaction?

Edited April 3, 2016 by BritManToo

[neverdie]

It's funny when the front who loses 20,000 bucks or euros gets all washed up in lid, races back to his mediocre job as a shopping cart pusher or rug salesperson, grinds away for another 12 months before returning to listen and repeating the process. At the end of each trip they fuel their dislike for the 'evil Thai hookers' and some even write blogs or books about it.

I once drank 6 large beer Changs.

You should have heard me slag that beer off for the next week or two (cheap poisonous muck).

But I've had more of them since then. Isn't it a similar sort of experience and reaction?

Yes but no, I mean I understand what you say but it's hardly to idea of a sane stable individual to self expose oneself to a bad decision and then to create an industry around it where one blabbers on sbout their situation in an effort to make money. Slightly different to what you describe.

It also amuses me when someone that can't even speak, read or write Thai considers themselve to be such a high level expert on all and everything Thai.

Imagine building your first brick letterbox then writing a 'how to book' and signing it off, 'letter box building expert'.

Anyway, once again the thesis see right through these people, nabier mak.

Edited April 3, 2016 by neverdie

[BritManToo]

It also amuses me when someone that can't even speak, read or write Thai considers themselve to be such a high level expert on all and everything Thai.

Not sure you need to speak, read or write Thai to become a specialist on Thai hookers.

Does anyone really care about any other aspect of the Thai experience?

[SoiBiker]

It also amuses me when someone that can't even speak, read or write Thai considers themselve to be such a high level expert on all and everything Thai.

Not sure you need to speak, read or write Thai to become a specialist on Thai hookers.

Does anyone really care about any other aspect of the Thai experience?

Of course they do. Although perhaps you wouldn't get that impression from reading this forum.

[neverdie]

It also amuses me when someone that can't even speak, read or write Thai considers themselve to be such a high level expert on all and everything Thai.

Not sure you need to speak, read or write Thai to become a specialist on Thai hookers.

Does anyone really care about any other aspect of the Thai experience?

Of course they do. Although perhaps you wouldn't get that impression from reading this forum.

I have absolutely no interest in hookas from any culture and I have a million different interests around the country.

That aside, to fully understand these creatures one would need proficient language skills.

[Gecko123]

Ummm….

as colorful and entertaining as some of the posts have been...

any chance we can maybe get back to the thread topic, namely: 'Are Thai attitudes about dating/marrying foreigners changing?

Edited April 3, 2016 by Gecko123

[totally thaied up]

Okay, one of my friends is a Thai psychologist with a large practice. We have spoken for hours over such issues an for most farangs here, I was told the attitude is mostly about money first added with stability with the women. Love may only come after a period of time.

I was told pretty much a large percentage of the farang based clients have a great deal of trouble keeping there second head under control even when married. I was told more or less that the attitude with most women was that security was the number one thing in a Thai girls relationship an that love may come after sometime or maybe never at all.

I think Thai attitudes are not changing but the girls now are a lot smarter an will not suffer a fool or a loveless marriage to a old goat unless their needs are not being met.

Edited April 3, 2016 by totally thaied up

[bangkokjulia]

From my experience, whenever I speak to Thai ladies, they ask me if I have any single male friends. I say I have some Thai male friends. They say no Thai man, they lazy-only want farang. I tell them that some foreign men, and women are lazy. I don't think they believe me.

[Minnie the Minx]

Plenty of scummy farang around taking advantage of Thai women.

Plenty of scummy Thai women taking advantage of foreign men too.

But rather less Thais calling other Thais scum, I think.

Well your first point gets mentioned plenty of time on TVF........but essentially u r 100% correct sir.

Still, it always amazes me how stupid westerners actually are. They lob up with all the real odds stacked against them, bed down with the worst of the worst then moan when they get bit.

Some of them do it again and again. For example, I know of one pathetic farang who lets just say is a morbidly obese 50 something year old grub with an absolute vile character. This guy is a plain outright nasty individual. He works away somewhere back in his crao dark dingy, cold and wet country in his 9-5 job as a salesman until he scrapes away enough money to afford an airfare to Thailand with some accomodation in seedyville tourist zone, soi drop kick.

After squeezing his XXXXXXL sized backside into the plane seat and back out again he arrives and moves as fast as his chubby little legs will allow so he can start trawling sois looking for any buzzard that might have low enough standards to goto bed with him. He's well versed in the process and eventually hooks up with some slapper, who he makes his new companion and of course she's a lucky girl afterall she gets to share all her time over the preceding weeks with this fat sweating vile nasty individual.

During the forts hip old blubberguts actually forgets it's a financial relationship and of course like any business transaction the workforce likes to move on when the funds dry up.

At this point enraged, old blubberboy releases a tirade of abuse onto everyone and anyone before retreating to his taxpayer sponsored dark mouldy and dingy abode back in crapsville. Still extremely dissatisfied with his "lost love' and the few thousand euros he's lost he immediately jumps on the Internet and starts spewing vile around the world via forums, blogs and possibly even other modes of online cheap & nasty jargon.

So tell me, who's scamming who here?

Anyway, old blubberguts soon gets busy in his mundane job, working 9-5, feeding his fat multilevelled chin with takeaway, madly saving his pennies for his next Thailand adventure where he will do it all over again. Naturally he spends his downtime, spewing more bile across the World Wide Web and using his modified bottom buddy to manipulate his genitals which are otherwise unreachable.

Let's face it, old blubberguts is scaming himself and there's thousand of these stupid individuals turning up each week......sure they're not as all bad as blubberguts, but they vary by degree, that's all.

The Thais figured out what was going on, long, long, long ago.

That is comedy gold. Lolness to the max.

You forgot to mention: the pussy is never yours, it's just your turn.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Minnie the Minx

[manarak]

Two questions: Was the American in the story really rich and what was his ThaiVisa handle?

He was a wealthy business owner, promising a 2mm baht sin sod.

how did the woman get burned, exactly?

how much money did she lose?

to me it just sounds like a failed relationship, move on.... why the drama?

[Fabricus]

It also amuses me when someone that can't even speak, read or write Thai considers themselve to be such a high level expert on all and everything Thai.

Not sure you need to speak, read or write Thai to become a specialist on Thai hookers.

Does anyone really care about any other aspect of the Thai experience?

Of course they do. Although perhaps you wouldn't get that impression from reading this forum.

I have absolutely no interest in hookas from any culture and I have a million different interests around the country.

That aside, to fully understand these creatures one would need proficient language skills.

Apparently blubberguts has a "Moll" in the soapie industry. Maybe she shares her expertise with him.

[Rob8891]

Plenty of scummy farang around taking advantage of Thai women.

Plenty of scummy Thai women taking advantage of foreign men too.

But rather less Thais calling other Thais scum, I think.

Well your first point gets mentioned plenty of time on TVF........but essentially u r 100% correct sir.

Still, it always amazes me how stupid westerners actually are. They lob up with all the real odds stacked against them, bed down with the worst of the worst then moan when they get bit.

Some of them do it again and again. For example, I know of one pathetic farang who lets just say is a morbidly obese 50 something year old grub with an absolute vile character. This guy is a plain outright nasty individual. He works away somewhere back in his crao dark dingy, cold and wet country in his 9-5 job as a salesman until he scrapes away enough money to afford an airfare to Thailand with some accomodation in seedyville tourist zone, soi drop kick.

After squeezing his XXXXXXL sized backside into the plane seat and back out again he arrives and moves as fast as his chubby little legs will allow so he can start trawling sois looking for any buzzard that might have low enough standards to goto bed with him. He's well versed in the process and eventually hooks up with some slapper, who he makes his new companion and of course she's a lucky girl afterall she gets to share all her time over the preceding weeks with this fat sweating vile nasty individual.

During the forts hip old blubberguts actually forgets it's a financial relationship and of course like any business transaction the workforce likes to move on when the funds dry up.

At this point enraged, old blubberboy releases a tirade of abuse onto everyone and anyone before retreating to his taxpayer sponsored dark mouldy and dingy abode back in crapsville. Still extremely dissatisfied with his "lost love' and the few thousand euros he's lost he immediately jumps on the Internet and starts spewing vile around the world via forums, blogs and possibly even other modes of online cheap & nasty jargon.

So tell me, who's scamming who here?

Anyway, old blubberguts soon gets busy in his mundane job, working 9-5, feeding his fat multilevelled chin with takeaway, madly saving his pennies for his next Thailand adventure where he will do it all over again. Naturally he spends his downtime, spewing more bile across the World Wide Web and using his modified bottom buddy to manipulate his genitals which are otherwise unreachable.

Let's face it, old blubberguts is scaming himself and there's thousand of these stupid individuals turning up each week......sure they're not as all bad as blubberguts, but they vary by degree, that's all.

The Thais figured out what was going on, long, long, long ago.

Thais certainly did figure it out, yet thousands of buffalo still roll off their planes daily, wads of cash at the ready, believing that the females that are prepared to be with them are honestly interested in them.

Take your pal blubberguts for example. He probably rocks up to his favourite girly bar in Soi Sloppyseconds and feels like a famous film star with all the attention from the working girls. He eventually waddles out with a young doe-eyed twenty-something, complete with train-tracks on her teeth and the ubiquitous trampstamp(s). The poor sap believes that she likes him and probably thinks he is helping some poor girl and her family with his largesse. (Talking of your pal blubberguts' largeass, isn't it a good job that the bargirls don't charge by the kilogram??)

For a short time (or should it be short-time?) he imagines he is Prince Charming, although to the rest of the world he is more akin to Kung <deleted> Panda. Soon he is wedging himself back into the plane to fly home, having promised his tirak that he will come back for her as soon as he can, although she must understand that he's a very important and busy man (in his own little world).

She, on the other hand, is filled with relief as the nausea abates and nips round to the arrivals hall.... NEXT!

[BritManToo]

She, on the other hand, is filled with relief as the nausea abates and nips round to the arrivals hall.... NEXT!

If you were a Thai hooker with a Thai bf, would you choose an old fat guy that would fall asleep exhausted after 5 minutes, or a fit young guy that would root you all night until your insides ached?

The answer is a simple one IMHO.

Edited April 3, 2016 by BritManToo

[Rob8891]

Would you choose a fit relatively slim guy, or a 170kg hippo that could steamroller you? ....if you were a Thai bargirl, that is.

But the hippo has loadsamoney...

Edited April 3, 2016 by Rob8891

[1FinickyOne]

to the op - and original question...

I think that there has been enough in the way of visual aids, youtube and such that show foreigners walking around drunk, w/o shirts, w/unflattering tank tops, getting into fights in bars, in short, behaving with very poor manners and in ways well beyond the depths of poor Thai men and very counter to the social mores of the culture...

With line and all the social media these days, these video get circulated quickly and put a negative tint on farang - I think they are beyond beginning to see that not all farang are wealthy or of the highest character..

And so, this is art imitating life... [if you can call a Thai soapy drama "art" or a drunk farang "life" for that matter]