Thaksin Linked To Wife's Suspect Land Deal Under Investigation

[sriracha john]

Pojaman has been staying at the Raffles Hospital in Singapore from June 26 to July 6.

How many times did her caring husband visit her at the hospital?

Seems the family and entourage are all suffering from hypochondria.

As hypochondria is an actual medical condition... the more appropriate term is not a medical one, but a legal one...

Malingering

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

to pretend or exaggerate incapacity or illness (as to avoid duty or work)

or questioning by authorities....

[Mid]

Thai Supreme Court accepts graft charges against Thaksin

July 10, 2007 - 2:36PM

Thailand's Supreme Court today agreed to consider criminal corruption charges against toppled prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, in the first case to reach court since last year's coup.

"The judges have agreed to accept the case put forward by prosecutors. The first hearing will be on August 14," Tonglor Chomngarm, the deputy head of the Supreme Court, told reporters.

Tonglor said a court summons must be delivered to Thaksin and his wife Pojaman, who are both in London, within three days.

Thaksin and Pojaman are each charged with three violations of anti-corruption laws. The former prime minister is accused of illegally influencing a deal to allow his wife to buy land from a government agency at a bargain price.

The couple could be jailed for up to 13 years and each face a fine of up to 200,000 baht ($7300) if convicted.

A panel of nine Supreme Court judges considered the case, and prosecutors must now present Thaksin and his wife in person during the opening arguments.

However, Thaksin said last week that he would only return to Thailand to face corruption charges if he could be sure of a fair trial.

"I will return to face the facts and trial if and when the justice system goes back to normal," he said.

The junta has cited corruption and abuse of power as the key reasons for Thaksin's ouster in last year's bloodless coup, and is under pressure to pin down the billionaire businessman on graft charges.

A number of other cases against Thaksin and his family are slowly making their way through Thailand's legal system.

Anti-graft investigators have already frozen at least $US1.52 billion ($1.8 billion) of assets belonging to him and his family.

AFP

The Sydney Morning Herald

song sen ...............................

Edited July 10, 2007 by Mid

[Jai Dee]

Political court accepts Ratchada land deal suit against Thaksin, wife

The Criminal Tribunal for Police Office Holders Tuesday decided to proceed with the trial against former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife for alleged corruption in relation to the Ratchadapisek land deal in 2003.

The court scheduled the first hearing on August 14 for Thaksin and his wife, Pojaman Shinawatra, to enter their plea.

The court ordered the public prosecutors to send a subpoena for the two defendants within three days. If there is no one to receive the subpoena, it would be posted on the Chan Song Lar house of the couple.

Source: The Nation - 10 July 2007

[Jai Dee]

Court decides to try Thaksin, wife in Ratchada land deal

The Criminal Tribunal for Political Office Holders Tuesday decided to proceed with the trial against former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife for alleged corruption in relation to the Ratchadapisek land deal in 2003.

The branch of the Supreme Court scheduled the first hearing on August 14 for Thaksin and his wife, Pojaman Shinawatra, to enter their plea.

The court ordered the public prosecutors to send a subpoena for the two defendants within three days. If there is no one to receive the subpoena, it would be posted on the Chan Song Lar house of the couple.

The Ratchadapisek land deal is the first corruption case involving Thaksin to reach the trial stage. But it is the second criminal trial for Pojaman, who is fighting another case for tax evasion.

According to the prosecution review report recommending trial, Thaksin and Pojaman used their position to influence the Financial Institutions Development Fund (FIDF) to sell them the plot.

The original estimated price for the land was Bt2.1 billion. The first bid saw the price drop to Bt870 million and subsequent negotiations resulted in a further discount to the winning bidder, Pojaman, who paid Bt772 million.

As per indictments spelled out by the Assets Examination Committee and endorsed by prosecutors, the upcoming trial is expected to centre on four issues.

Two issues are about a ban on political office holders and their spouses entering into transactions with state agencies, as per Articles 100 and 122 of the 1999 National Counter Corruption Commission Act.

Offenders face a jail term of up to three years and a fine of up to Bt60,000.

The other two issues involve criminal offences for abuse of office under the Criminal Code.

Offenders face a jail term of up to 10 years and a fine of between Bt2,000 and Bt20,000.

Source: The Nation - 10 July 2007

[Mid]

Appoligies JD , the SMH version is in general ,

from that version

A panel of nine Supreme Court judges considered the case, and prosecutors must now present Thaksin and his wife in person during the opening arguments.

doesn't look like this is going to far ............................................yet .

[Jai Dee]

Thread from General Topics merged here for continuity of subject.

[Jai Dee]

Supreme Court to rule over Ratchadapisek land scandal

The Supreme Court is ready to take the trial case of ex-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinnawatra’s wife, Khunying Pojaman Shinnawatra, in the Ratchadapisek land scandal. The first hearing is scheduled on August 14th.

The Supreme Court has made a decision to accept the case as it views that there are enough witnesses and evidences to proceed for a trial case against Khunying Pojaman. The court will send a subpoena within three days.

If Khunying Pojaman does not receive the subpoena, it will be posted in front of the house of the defendant.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 10 July 2007

[stumonster]

but pojamam is mai sabai in singapore - how can this be fair

[Jai Dee]

Special Litigation Dept. to send ex-PM’s subpoena to his residence

Deputy Director-General of the Department of Special Litigation Nanthasak Phoonsuk (นันทศักดิ์ พูนสุข) affirms the department will deliver subpoenas of the ousted Prime Minister and his wife to their residence as soon as possible.

Mr Nanthasak reveals that after the court has launched an order to sue the ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife in the Ratchadaphisek land case, the department is required to send the subpoenas to Mr Thaksin and Khunying Potjaman Shinawatra within three days. The deputy director-general says the subpoenas will be delivered to the “Chan Song La” (จันทร์ส่องหล้า) house of Mr Thaksin by officials of the department and the court.

Regarding Khunying Potjamin’s request to postpone her first court hearing, Mr Nanthasak says she has the right to do so but it depends on the court whether to grant her request or not.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 10 July 2007

[Guest Reimar]

According to ABC News, Taksin will not come back to Thailand for the Court Hearing at August 14. 2007 because he believe that the court hearing want be fair for him while the Government is still under military Rules!

May fair for him is only if the Thai Government is under the Rule and Power of the Thai Rak Thai but under all others will never be fair!! So he will NOT come back to Thailand for a long long time if ever!

[Plus]

What will they do if he doesn't show up? Can they try him in absentia?

For Thaksin the deal is too small and the charges are too insignificant, unless he is handed out a jail term.

[Mid]

read up thread a bit where the SMH article is cited .

[sriracha john]

Thai Court Hearing Could Affect Manchester City Deal

Thailand's Supreme Court decision to hear corruption charges against former prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra could affect his acquisition of English Premier League club Manchester City.

Thaksin's bid for Manchester City is still subject to the English Football Association's 'fit and proper person' test, which specifically bars people convicted of corruption, even in a foreign court, BBC reported in its website Tuesday.

The first court hearing in Bangkok is due Aug 14, three days after the new season kicks off Aug 11 when Manchester City travel to London to face West Ham at Upton Park.

Despite uncertainty over the takeover, former England manager Sven Goran Eriksson has already taken charge of the Manchester City squad and is expected to name his support staff this week.

Thaksin, who has been living abroad since he was ousted in a military coup last September, has denied any wrongdoing.

The former Thai prime minister and his wife Pojaman were named in a case involving allegations of wrongdoing in a land deal.

The charges relate to the purchase of a prime plot of land in Bangkok in 2003 by Pojaman, for 772 million baht ($24 million). The land, owned by a government agency, had earlier been valued at 2.1 billion baht ($66 million). Thaksin is accused of illegally influencing the deal.

If convicted, the couple could be jailed for up to 13 years and face a fine.

Thaksin and his wife had been ordered by the court to attend the opening arguments but the former premier has said he would only return to Thailand only if he was sure of a fair trial.

Thaksin's solicitor in Bangkok, Noppadol Pattama, said Tuesday that his client would not be returning for the opening arguments, adding that the investigation and charges are politically motivated.

- NewsPost

[sriracha john]

Court agrees to hear case against Thaksin

Thonglor Chom-ngarm, the chief prosecutor, said the nine judges agreed to accept the case as it was in compliance with the court's regulations. ''The first hearing has been set for Aug 14 and the couple must appear in person,'' said Thonglor. The Supreme Court ordered the prosecutors to send a summons and a copy of the lawsuit to the couple, as the first and the second defendants, to their houses in Bangkok within three days. ''If court officials don't find the two (at these addresses) or their representatives to receive the summons, officials will put them up in front of the houses,'' said the court. The couple are not allowed to submit their defence statements through their lawyers. Mr Thaksin's lawyer Noppadon Pattama said there is only a slim chance the couple will show up in court, since Thailand is still under a dictatorship which could easily interfere in the judicial system. He ruled out the possibility that Potjaman may return alone, saying the two will fight the charges together if they have to. Potjaman is now in Britain with her husband. ''The couple now live happily together in London. If they return to fight the charges, they will come together. They will wait until after the general election,'' said Mr Noppadon. He insisted the deposed prime minister was not seeking political asylum as was generally believed.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/11Jul2007_news02.php

[Humphrey Bear]

Definitely seems that the British press is more concerned about the Man. City deal than anything else - this from todays Gruniad.

Thai court to hear Thaksin case

Ian MacKinnon in Bangkok

Wednesday July 11, 2007

Guardian

Thailand's exiled former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra was closer to being charged with corruption yesterday after the supreme court agreed to hear the allegations against him.

As Mr Thaksin, 57, appeared to be within days of closing a £81.6m deal to buy Manchester City football club, he was ordered to answer accusations surrounding a multi-million pound land deal.

But a lawyer acting as the tycoon's unofficial spokesman in Bangkok said his client, who has been living in London since he was toppled in a bloodless coup last September, would not appear before the tribunal as he feared for his safety should he return.

The decision not to appear before the nine-judge panel on August 14 could hold up proceedings and slow the case.

It could still complicate his ownership of Manchester City. If Mr Thaksin is convicted, the Football Association would be obliged to decide if Mr Thaksin qualifies as a "fit and proper" person to own the club.

Mr Thaksin, who is accused with his wife, Pojaman, could face 13 years in jail and a fine of £3,000 over the £11.3m land deal in 2003 during his first term in office.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian News and Media Limited 2007

[John K]

Definitely seems that the British press is more concerned about the Man. City deal than anything else - this from todays Gruniad.

Thai court to hear Thaksin case

Ian MacKinnon in Bangkok

Wednesday July 11, 2007

Guardian

Thailand's exiled former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra was closer to being charged with corruption yesterday after the supreme court agreed to hear the allegations against him.

As Mr Thaksin, 57, appeared to be within days of closing a £81.6m deal to buy Manchester City football club, he was ordered to answer accusations surrounding a multi-million pound land deal.

But a lawyer acting as the tycoon's unofficial spokesman in Bangkok said his client, who has been living in London since he was toppled in a bloodless coup last September, would not appear before the tribunal as he feared for his safety should he return.

The decision not to appear before the nine-judge panel on August 14 could hold up proceedings and slow the case.

It could still complicate his ownership of Manchester City. If Mr Thaksin is convicted, the Football Association would be obliged to decide if Mr Thaksin qualifies as a "fit and proper" person to own the club.

Mr Thaksin, who is accused with his wife, Pojaman, could face 13 years in jail and a fine of £3,000 over the £11.3m land deal in 2003 during his first term in office.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian News and Media Limited 2007

If I were to guess this whole buying Manchester thing is starting to backfire on Thaksin. Unless you have some connection to Thailand you could care less about all of this. However it looks like the British media has found a story theme that will sell papers. I suspect the British news and even the tabloids will soon be featuring stories on the fugitive who owns Manchester on a daily basis. I can’t help but wonder what the football hooligans will have to say about all of this.

[Mid]

Summons against Thaksin, wife issued

(BangkokPost.com) - Supreme Court's Political Crime Section issued summons against ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife Potjaman in an alleged corruption case concerning multimillion-baht land deal on Wednesday.

Prosecutors will ask court officials to place the summons at their two residences in Bangkok -- Mr Thaksin's address at 472 Ban Jan Song La, Soi Charansanitwong 69, Bhang Phlad and Khunying Potjaman's address at 526 Rama VI road, Nakhon Chaisri, Dusit -- on Thursday morning.

The Post Publishing Public Co

[sriracha john]

I can’t help but wonder what the football hooligans will have to say about all of this.

Fans riot over new measures from owner

Manchester City football hooligans rioted outside the stadium today after owner Thaksin Shinawatra imposed several new measures that have upset fans. Citing a need for a new social order at his club's matches, the owner has stated that alcohol sales will be prohibited between the hours of 2:00 PM to 5:00 PM during any games his team plays in, no matter whether it is at Manchester City or elsewhere. He was unaware this measure required the cooperation of any of the owners in these cities, or anyone else, for that matter. Additionally, ticket price changes have been implemented that will see an Asian being allowed into the games at 10 pounds while all others will be charged 200 pounds per game. His stated reason of "farang can afford, they all rich," didn't sit well with the hooligans who rioted.

Bangkok Herald-Examiner

News of the Future Division

August 20, 2007

*Disclaimer* The flag displayed in this story is not for Manchester City, it's for England... which then, should make the prudent reader realize this news has not occured...........................yet*

[marshbags]

BBC NEWS ASIA-PACIFIC

Ref url........ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6286660.stm

Last Updated: Tuesday, 10 July 2007, 06:29 GMT 07:29 UK

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Thai court to hear Thaksin case

Mr Thaksin's purchase of Manchester City could be affected

Thailand's Supreme Court has agreed to hear corruption charges against former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

The ex-leader and his wife Pojaman were named in a case involving allegations of wrongdoing in a land deal.

Mr Thaksin, who has lived abroad since he was ousted in a military coup last September, has denied any wrongdoing.

The first court hearing is due on 14 August. Several other cases of alleged corruption and abuse of power are pending against Mr Thaksin.

"The Supreme Court political crime section accepts the case," Tonglor Chomngarm, the Supreme Court's deputy head, told reporters.

As of now the two defendants will not return to fight the case on the grounds that the judicial process is still being interfered with

Noppadol Pattama

Thaksin family's solicitor

The charges relate to the purchase of a prime plot of land in Bangkok in 2003 by Mr Thaksin's wife Pojaman, for 772m baht ($24m; £12m).

The land, owned by a government agency, had earlier been valued at 2.1bn baht ($66m, £32m).

Mr Thaksin is accused of illegally influencing the deal.

If convicted, the couple could be jailed for up to 13 years and face a fine.

Anti-corruption investigation

Prosecutors told reporters that Mr Thaksin and his wife had been ordered by the court to attend the opening arguments.

The former prime minister has remained abroad - mainly in London where he has a house - since last year's bloodless coup.

He said last month that he would only return to Thailand to face corruption charges if he could be sure of a fair trial.

Mr Thaksin's solicitor, Noppadol Pattama, said on Tuesday that his client would not be returning for the opening arguments.

"Both of them will fight the case, but as of now the two defendants will not return to fight the case on the grounds that the judicial process is still being interfered with," he told the AFP news agency.

However, a conviction in Thailand could affect Mr Thaksin even if he stays in exile, the BBC's Jonathan Head in Bangkok says.

His recent acquisition of the British football club, Manchester City, is still subject to the Football Association's "fit and proper person" test, which specifically bars people convicted of corruption, even in a foreign court, our correspondent adds.

Military leaders who carried out last September's coup cited corruption and abuse of power in Mr Thaksin's government as their justification.

The billionaire former prime minister and his family have since been under investigation by an anti-graft panel set up by the military-installed government.

Other charges currently pending against Mr Thaksin include concealing his assets and implementing policies that favoured his family's business empire. More than $1.5bn of his assets have been frozen.

Mr Thaksin argues that the investigation and charges are politically motivated.

Unquote

Any additional comment other than all that has been said many times already apart from the fact his ongoing situation will be closely followed by one and all, especially in the U.K.

You,d better believe it

marshbags

Edited July 11, 2007 by marshbags

[sriracha john]

Arrest Warrant May Be Issued for Ousted PM's Wife

The Assets Examination Committee warns the deposed Prime Minister's wife that a warrant will be issued if she fails to appear to give testimony before the panel as scheduled. The panel also expects the corruption charges against Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra and previous Cabinet members to be forwarded to the court soon.

The Spokesperson for the Assets Examination Committee (AEC), Sak Korsaengrueng, reveals that his panel has concluded the investigation and filed indictment over several corruption charges against the deposed Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra and previous Cabinet members.

Therefore, the panel expects that the charges can be forwarded to the court in July to August.

As for the Shinawatra legal advisor's remark that the deposed Prime Minister's wife will not give testimony regarding the share transaction on August 19 as scheduled, AEC chairman Nam Yimyam states that if Pojaman Shinawatra fails to report as scheduled, the panel will seek approval for an arrest warrant against her.

Meanwhile, the AEC sub-committee responsible for the investigation into the two and three digit lottery launched by the previous government, has already sent letters ordering the 49 accused to give testimonies before the panel.

Members of the previous Cabinet, including the deposed Prime Minister, are the first group scheduled to give testimony to the sub-committee from July 23-26.

Meanwhile, the group of the former board members of the Government Lottery Office, including the former Permanent secretary of the Finance Ministry, Somjainuk Engtrakul and former Deputy Police Chief, Police General Sombat Amornwiwat are scheduled to give testimonies on July 26 and August 2 respectively.

- Thailand Outlook

[John K]

I just wanted to point out how self centered Thaksin is if you missed it. No such excuse has been given for his wife as there is no way this can be political with her as she never held any office. Thaksin has only spoke about himself and not about his family.

[sriracha john]

Thaksin might return on Aug 14

Deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra might return to Thailand on August 14 to defend a graft charge over the Ratchadapisek land deal, one of his legal team said yesterday.

He would make a one-day trip then rush back to the United Kingdom due to his fear of arrest, a source said.

Prakiat Nasimma, a spokesman for Thaksin's legal team, said the ex-PM would definitely come back to fight the court case, but refused to say when exactly.

"We have to wait and monitor the political situation on a day-by-day basis," he said.

The Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Office decided on Tuesday to proceed with the trial against Thaksin and his wife Pojaman for alleged corruption in the land deal.

The tribunal scheduled the first hearing on August 14 for the couple to enter their plea.

The court ordered public prosecutors to take a subpoena to the two defendants today. The prosecutors and two court officials will go to the Shinawatra residence at Chan Song La (which is their registered home) at 10am today. If there is no one to receive the subpoena, it will be affixed on the house.

Meanwhile, Thaksin, whose 81 million-pound takeover of Manchester City Football Club was confirmed last week, has vowed to be in the director's box rather than the witness box when City kick off the new season at West Ham on August 11, The Mirror reported yesterday.

The new Manchester City owner met Sven Goran Eriksson, the new club manager, for the first time on Tuesday.

It was the same day the Supreme Court decided to hear corruption charges against the former prime minister.

Thaksin has denied all the charges and insisted recently that he won't return home until democracy is restored because he fears he won't receive a fair trial, The Mirror reported.

He has already seen more than 67 Billion Baht of his assets frozen by the Assets Examination Committee, but has accessed enough funds from overseas to complete the football club takeover.

"I'm quite confident that once democracy has returned in December I will find justice and prove my case," said Thaksin. "But I will not go back now. I would not get justice if I went back now. But I can prove my innocence and I have my lawyers working on it."

Meanwhile, Rakkiat Wattanapong, secretary to the Court, warned that anyone who destroys or removes the subpoena from the Shinawatra house would be arrested.

Rakkiat also warned Noppadol Pattama, Thaksin's lawyer, against giving any opinion - such as by saying there had been political interference in the justice system because judges had already reached a verdict before the trial - as such a comment may be deemed to be in contempt of court.

He also warned Attorney General spokesman Atthapol Yaisawang against giving media interviews about the court procedure because all matters were up to the judges.

"These actions must stop because they could be deemed as an infringement of court authority or contempt of court."

The Ratchadapisek land deal is the first corruption case involving Thaksin to reach the trial stage. But it is the second criminal trial for Pojaman, who is fighting another case for alleged tax evasion.

Meanwhile, Thaksin's lawyer asked for a 10-day postponement, from today, of a defence against graft charges in connection with rubber sapling purchases.

- The Nation

[John K]

If this news story is true then Thaksin is probably starting to come to the reality he does not have home field advantage in the UK. For all the news that has made it to the media, there is much more that has not.

If Thaksin does a no show he will be labeled a fugitive, and a very public one at that.

There is a strong possibility being a fugitive will limit the ease of his international travel.

If he is labeled a fugitive, football fans will remind him everyday and his life will be far less than pleasant. We all know how much Thaksin enjoys negative press about himself.

Thaksin’s posture to be public and not melt into the woodwork I am sure does not sit well with the UK. A bit like that stain that won’t completely come out of your white shirt.

[Plus]

Don't worry too much about how fans will receive Thaksin in the UK, JK. They are not some kind of a litmus test.

Being endorsed or rejected by footie fans means nothing, this crowd is very much open to manipulation and are often subjected to mood swings.

[John K]

Time will tell, but going from #65 Thailand to #13 UK in corruption ratings, Thaksin will no doubt be finding it harder to buy favors should the fans have a down mood swing.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html

Apparently the new 2007 ratings are due out this month, I am curious where Thailand stands.

[Mid]

Thaksin might return on Aug 14

load the pigs and clear the runway .

[sriracha john]

Thaksin summonsed to court

The Office of the Attorney-General (OAG) will today hand two summonses ordering ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife, Potjaman, to appear in court on Aug 14 in the first hearing on the 772 million baht Ratchadaphisek land deal. The summonses will pave the way for the beginning of efforts to extradite Mr Thaksin, who remains in self-imposed exile overseas. Thaksin earlier made it clear that he would not return to Thailand until democracy returns to the country. OAG spokesman Atthapol Yaisawang said OAG staff and court officials will today travel to deliver a summons to Thaksin's residence on Charan Sanit Wong Soi 69 in Bang Phlad district. The other summons will be delivered to Potjaman's residence on Rama V. Mr Atthapol said if nobody is present at the two residences to sign for the summonses, court officials are empowered to paste them to the doors. Once they are pasted, the summonses will technically have been received by the couple, he said. Meanwhile, Assets Scrutiny Committee chairman Nam Yimyaem said the committee may decide to travel to see for itself if those summoned to testify before it were sick, as had been claimed. He was referring to Potjaman, who reportedly fell ill and asked for the postponement of her testimony in other cases being investigated by the committee. She is currently in London with her husband.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/12Jul2007_news11.php

[sriracha john]

Deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra might return to Thailand on August 14 to defend a graft charge over the Ratchadapisek land deal, one of his legal team said yesterday.

load the pigs and clear the runway .

The day Thaksin's lawyers speak honestly:

[Mid]

one of his legal team said yesterday.

same , same , but different .

thanxs SJ , I did miss that .

[marshbags]

BREAKING NEWS B.Post Today 13:41 Attorney-General summons Thaksin

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Attorney-General summons Thaksin

(BangkokPost.com) - The Office of the Attorney-General handed two summonses ordering ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife Potjaman to appear in court next month in the first hearing on the 772-million baht Ratchadaphisek land deal.

OAG staff delivered the summons to Mr Thaksin's residence on Charan Sanit Wong Soi 69 in Bang Phlad district, Bangkok and then to Khunying Potjaman's residence on Rama V on Thursday morning, also in Bangkok.

No one answered the door at Mr Thaksin's residence so the summons was pasted to the door.

Khunying Potjaman's listed residence turned out to be a deserted building

but neighbours confirmed that this was the address they were looking for, so the summons was pasted to the door as well.

Unquote

Please go to the url for the complete article.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=120109

You,ve just gotta laugh at the antics / deception.

What a farce they are making of Thailands justice system and the honest intentions they are demomstrating to clear their name and alledged innocence.

marshbags

Edited July 12, 2007 by marshbags