Dear Folks,

Israel is not the Land of Milk and Honey it once was, decades ago, especially for one group, the Ashkenazi Jews.

Unfortunately, in recent decades, they have lost relative status and power in the State of Israel, even if the other once-minority groups have done their best to intermarry with the guys in top, as one does.

Some might try to fool us and lead us to believe that the State of Israel is not also a very racist society. But, I think, any fool can tell that Israel is one of the most racist lands on Earth. And, their warfare tactics prove this beyond the shadow of a doubt.

But, since I love New York Deli Food, I enjoy the company of the Ashkenazi Jews. I have much in common with them.  But, this topic is NOT about Bagels, of course.

The important question here is, if continuous and incessant war is never-ending in Israel, and if this is on the cards (or in the cards), wouldn’t you think that the Ashkenazi Jews will very soon want to hop a plane for better climes?  I know I would.

And, this group of people from Israel have passports, and they are welcome around the world, especially in the USA. Therefore, how many more days before they vote with their feet, and leave Israel, once and for all, except maybe to revisit for a day-trip to witness the continuing devastation of war?

Wouldn’t YOU want to Get out of Dodge, if you had a passport and a plan, if you were living in Israel? Shirley, almost anybody would.

The talk of bailing is becoming more serious if not strident. Certainly, below the surface, families are carefully weighing their options, and counting their coins.

It's difficult to say who will go where.

I doubt places like Thailand will become a safe haven.

The USA is still the best place to head, if one is trying to flee Israel, before it's too late.

So, there is this wonderful old song that discusses the GREAT QUANDARY of going and staying, or visa versa:

These are such difficult times for everybody, it seems.

Glad I am not an Israeli, these days.

Life is challenging enough, without that.

But, when one has lousy leaders, then it is the comman man who suffers most.

Don't you think?

Best regards,

Gamma

Interesting views, and well written.

One of my favourite posters.

I think all Israelis will want to leave in the next decade, it's going to be hell there.

Why would they leave a modern, civilized place like Israel, especially after their enemies are either destroyed or under their control.

I see a new future for the world led by the smartest and toughest folks: Jews (with us of course). We should be talking about where the moronic antisemites (the ones still alive) are going to be? Madagascar sounds good.

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Why would they leave a modern, civilized place like Israel, especially after their enemies are either destroyed or under their control.

I see a new future for the world led by the smartest and toughest folks: Jews (with us of course). We should be talking about where the moronic antisemites (the ones still alive) are going to be? Madagascar sounds good.

The reason they will leave is because they don't like bombs falling from the sky.

Israel, under its leadership, refuses to live in piece with the countries that surround it.

Israel is a guest in its neighborhood.

Either it learns to live in piece by drastically modifying its behavior and strategies, or it will cease to exist.

The US will not continue to support Israel under present conditions.

This means that the US cannot continue to enable a tiny guest-state which suffers so obviously to war-addiction.

Trump has now become Israel's enabler.

Even Trump can learn his hard lesson, and then turn away in the future.

All US support must be withdrawn from Israel.

This is the only way this madness today, and the madness of past decades, can ever stop.

It seems to me that Israel has done its utmost to shift World Opinion against it during recent decades.

In fact, World Opinion has shifted radically, recently.

These days, even the Germans seem to be rising above the deserved guilt for terrible misdeeds of the 1930s and 1940s.

Maybe Israel thinks that they can continue to milk this guilt for eternity?

Maybe Israel thinks that revenge and hatred and its blatant racism will be forgiven forever?

And, besides, it seems that Israel's hatred is somewhat misplaced, since it is directed at almost EVERYBODY, and not solely at those responsible for past crimes.

So, if world opinion is changing, which it definitely is, and caused by Israel itself.....then should we not have a bit of music capturing this shift?

What the world needs now is some sort of THEME SONG which will remind Israel that the patience of the world is now gone?

What song would you suggest which best epitomizes this new world awakening, and the getting over of the guilt trip?

I have one suggestion which seems to ring true:

Or, maybe this one?

But, the leadership of Israel is totally tone-deaf.

They are out of touch.

They do not listen.

Time is running out.

No time.

9 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

The reason they will leave is because they don't like bombs falling from the sky.

whose gonna bomb them?

10 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

The US will not continue to support Israel under present conditions.

Sure it will unless the racist anti semites of the Democratic party take contol

10 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

All US support must be withdrawn from Israel.

10 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

All US support must be withdrawn from Israel.

This is the only way this madness today, and the madness of past decades, can ever stop.

How about the Muslims reform and start living in peace.

21 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

anti semites of the Democratic party take control

President Truman was a Democrat. He was the first to recognize Israel. Hardly antisemite.

12 minutes ago, Purdey said:

President Truman was a Democrat. He was the first to recognize Israel. Hardly antisemite.

Individual government acts 80 years ago do not represent the policies of the present day Democratic party

Much to my disappointment the Democrats have many fully paid up ( by paid up i mean they are bought and owned by aipac) so although the public opinion may be changing the support for Israel is going nowhere until at least a few cycles of house and Senate have caught up with the public

On 3/15/2026 at 2:06 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

Israel is not the Land of Milk and Honey it once was, decades ago, especially for one group, the Ashkenazi Jews.

Unfortunately, in recent decades, they have lost relative status and power in the State of Israel, even if the other once-minority groups have done their best to intermarry with the guys in top, as one does.

Some might try to fool us and lead us to believe that the State of Israel is not also a very racist society. But, I think, any fool can tell that Israel is one of the most racist lands on Earth. And, their warfare tactics prove this beyond the shadow of a doubt.

But, since I love New York Deli Food, I enjoy the company of the Ashkenazi Jews. I have much in common with them.  But, this topic is NOT about Bagels, of course.

The important question here is, if continuous and incessant war is never-ending in Israel, and if this is on the cards (or in the cards), wouldn’t you think that the Ashkenazi Jews will very soon want to hop a plane for better climes?  I know I would.

And, this group of people from Israel have passports, and they are welcome around the world, especially in the USA. Therefore, how many more days before they vote with their feet, and leave Israel, once and for all, except maybe to revisit for a day-trip to witness the continuing devastation of war?

Wouldn’t YOU want to Get out of Dodge, if you had a passport and a plan, if you were living in Israel? Shirley, almost anybody would.

The talk of bailing is becoming more serious if not strident. Certainly, below the surface, families are carefully weighing their options, and counting their coins.

It's difficult to say who will go where.

I doubt places like Thailand will become a safe haven.

The USA is still the best place to head, if one is trying to flee Israel, before it's too late.

So, there is this wonderful old song that discusses the GREAT QUANDARY of going and staying, or visa versa:

These are such difficult times for everybody, it seems.

Glad I am not an Israeli, these days.

Life is challenging enough, without that.

But, when one has lousy leaders, then it is the comman man who suffers most.

Don't you think?

Best regards,

Gamma

I doubt that the Ashkenazi Jews will flee Israel on account of internal problems. The Jews of Ashkenazi descent in Israel aren't culturally tied to Ashkenazi Jews elsewhere. Except among the Haridim, who among them speaks Yiddish. For better or worse, they're Israelis now with their own distinct culture.

If flight occurs, most likely it will be because of loss of support from the United States. And it won't be only those of Ashkenazi descent. Polls how this loss of support from Americans is happening rapidly. Even the younger generations of evangelicals mostly no longer support Israel.

On 3/16/2026 at 6:49 AM, Yagoda said:

I see a new future for the world led by the smartest and toughest folks: Jews (with us of course). We should be talking about where the moronic antisemites (the ones still alive) are going to be? Madagascar sounds good.

Israelis are very smart but anything else that tough. Why?

They let others fight and die by the Thousands while killing Millions in wars that are presented to the world as honest efforts to fight terrorism and reach peace in the world while their true purpose is the destabilization of countries which could one day pose a threat to Israel.

They pay Millions to US politicians to make them approve Billions for Israel and send their sons and daughters to die for them, now if that´s not a perfect return of investment then I don´t know what.

Most US Americans have realized by now that those often repeated sayings like "Thank you for your service." or "They are out there for all of us" really meant "Thank you for serving Israel and wasting our tax money" and "They are out there killing and dying for Israel." and are furious.

Those who still can´t or are unwilling to see the truth - well, Madagascar sounds nice

On 3/16/2026 at 8:04 PM, Yagoda said:

How about the Muslims reform and start living in peace.

Can you really ask this question with a straight face?

Who has been bombing and slaughtering whom while stealing their land in the last decades?

On 3/16/2026 at 12:30 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

But, the leadership of Israel is totally tone-deaf.

They are out of touch.

They do not listen.

Time is running out.

No time.

They don´t realize that they have become what once slaughtered their ancestors.

Here´s my favorite song to that topic:

On 3/16/2026 at 3:02 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

All US support must be withdrawn from Israel.

This is the only way this madness today, and the madness of past decades, can ever stop.

There's a much better way: The Arab nations and Palestinian groups like Hamas can recognize Israel's right to exist as the homeland of the world's Jews. It's difficult to establish a lasting peace with enemies whose avowed goal is your destruction.

Once Israel gets universal recognition, many things can be settled by negotiation. The extent of Israel's borders is one of them; it's existence as the homeland of the world's Jews is not. A first step would be for all Palestinian groups to renounce violence and stop their attacks on Israel.

To answer the topic's headline: No, Ashkenazi Jews are NOT about to flee Israel en masse. In the past 2.5 years, there has been increased emigration from Israel, but it is nowhere near mass flight.

Some specific factors beyond "bombs falling from the sky" contribute to emigration. A big chunk of the emigrants, one-third to one-half, come from the1.3 million Israeli citizens who are Russian-speaking, corresponding to 15% of the population. Roughly 80% of the Russian speakers consider themselves to be secular Jews who don't practice Judaism. They were able to immigrate to Israel because Israel's Law of Return makes anyone with a Jewish grandparent eligible for Israeli citizenship. Even the non-Jewish spouses of Russian Jews are eligible.

These Russians mostly arrived in Israel unable to speak Hebrew and without an understanding of the Jewish religion, culture and traditions. They never felt part of Israeli society and intended to leave Israel for another country once they had an Israeli passport.

It's much easier for them to immigrate to the U.S. or a Western European country from Israel than from Russia. They never regarded Israel as their homeland.

Jews who are dual citizens (about 10% of Israel's Jewish population) may be more inclined to leave Israel because of their ties to another country. This emigration may be intensified by the Gaza conflict, but it has always taken place,

Another factor is the rise of the "digital nomad." Since many Israelis have a a background in IT, they can work from outside Israel without necessarily having a work permit. Moreover, many Israelis who emigrate return to Israel after some years abroad.

Emigration by Jewish Israeli citizens who were born in Israel and practice Judaism occurs, but is less likely than among Russian speakers or dual nationals.

While thousands of Israelis may have left Israel because they didn't want to live in a war zone. there was a net population gain from migration in 2023 and 2024, although down considerable from the net gains in previous years. Most importantly, Israel continues to show a net annual population gain, but at a slower rate than before.

I won't bore you with the statistics, but you can see them here.

https://database.earth/population/israel/migration

9 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Once Israel gets universal recognition, many things can be settled by negotiation. The extent of Israel's borders is one of them; it's existence as the homeland of the world's Jews is not. A first step would be for all Palestinian groups to renounce violence and stop their attacks on Israel.

Very onesided pov. Further, the extent of Israeli borders has been well established by the UN. Israel expanding its borders should not be part of any discussion.

10 hours ago, Somjot said:

Israelis are very smart but anything else that tough. Why?

They let others fight and die by the Thousands while killing Millions in wars that are presented to the world as honest efforts to fight terrorism and reach peace in the world while their true purpose is the destabilization of countries which could one day pose a threat to Israel.

They pay Millions to US politicians to make them approve Billions for Israel and send their sons and daughters to die for them, now if that´s not a perfect return of investment then I don´t know what.

Most US Americans have realized by now that those often repeated sayings like "Thank you for your service." or "They are out there for all of us" really meant "Thank you for serving Israel and wasting our tax money" and "They are out there killing and dying for Israel." and are furious.

Those who still can´t or are unwilling to see the truth - well, Madagascar sounds nice

Can you really ask this question with a straight face?

Who has been bombing and slaughtering whom while stealing their land in the last decades?

10 hours ago, Somjot said:

Who has been bombing and slaughtering whom while stealing their land in the last decades?

BIBI.

Our B-loved BB

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

There's a much better way: The Arab nations and Palestinian groups like Hamas can recognize Israel's right to exist as the homeland of the world's Jews. It's difficult to establish a lasting peace with enemies whose avowed goal is your destruction.

Same discussion ad infiniitum, I see.

The State of Palestine must first be recognized by all...

And, also recognized by US and Israel and US.

Then, we can start the ball rolling.

Also, Israel must turn the clock back to 1967, and all territory stolen must be returned.

Israel must destroy ALL nukes.

This is the best starting point.

Otherwise, bombs will continue to rain down on Israel's postage-stamp-size "State", until people living there get tired of having their children live under such lousy conditions,..

And, decide to move to the US.

The USA needs more people, anyway.

Most of the citizens now living in the "state" of Israel are hardworkers.

This way, all will benefit.

BUT, as his punishment: BB must remain on the land that is now "Israel", banished to the disaster he helped create.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Very onesided pov. Further, the extent of Israeli borders has been well established by the UN. Israel expanding its borders should not be part of any discussion.

That's not true. "Only two of Israel's five total potential land borders are internationally recognized and uncontested, while the other three remain disputed ..." The borders with Egypt and Jordan have been formally set through bilateral treaties, while the borders with Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories (State of Palestine) "remain internationally defined as contested."

https://everything.explained.today/Borders_of_Israel/

My bold text in the following quotation:

"The Green Line was intended as a demarcation line rather than a permanent border. The 1949 Armistice Agreements were clear (at Arab insistence)[that they were not creating permanent borders. The Egyptian–Israeli agreement, for example, stated that 'the Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.'"

https://everything.explained.today/Green_Line_(Israel)/#Ref-5

Just now, GammaGlobulin said:

Also, Israel must turn the clock back to 1967, and all territory stolen must be returned.

To whom should Israel return the territory and from whom was it stolen in 1967? Arab armies occupied parts of the former Mandate of Palestine in 1948. Why do they have more right to it than Israel?

43 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

That's not true. "Only two of Israel's five total potential land borders are internationally recognized and uncontested, while the other three remain disputed ..." The borders with Egypt and Jordan have been formally set through bilateral treaties, while the borders with Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories (State of Palestine) "remain internationally defined as contested."

https://everything.explained.today/Borders_of_Israel/

My bold text in the following quotation:

"The Green Line was intended as a demarcation line rather than a permanent border. The 1949 Armistice Agreements were clear (at Arab insistence)[that they were not creating permanent borders. The Egyptian–Israeli agreement, for example, stated that 'the Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.'"

https://everything.explained.today/Green_Line_(Israel)/#Ref-5

I wonder why you left out this part of your link.
"the majority of its border disputes are rooted in territorial changes that came about as a result of the 1967 Arab–Israeli War, which saw Israel occupy large swathes of territory from its rivals."

Israel occupied and it looks like intends to keep it. So disputed by Israel, recognised by the rest of the world. Even stronger, Israel is expending all the time as we speak.

42 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

"Only two of Israel's five total potential land borders are internationally recognized and uncontested

Why...OF COURSE....

DUH.....!!!!

We need to return to the 1967 borders, first.

You GOT IT now?

So, in other words: Get the F Off our land, dudes....!!!!!

Any encroachment after 1947 by the Israeli STEALING of land, after the UN PLAN of 1947, is intollerable.

We will NEVER EVER accept this.

Get OUT....!!!!!!

I haven't seen the movie yet. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Ashkenazi.

I don’t think you can single out Ashkenazi Jews.

Many people are leaving Israel because of the war. Probably temporarily.

12 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don’t think you can single out Ashkenazi Jews.

Many people are leaving Israel because of the war. Probably temporarily.

The wars involving Israel are eternal.

They never end.

Israel must accept the 1967 map.

Or, Israel must accept Pre-1945 reality.

Just now, GammaGlobulin said:

We need to return to the 1967 borders, first.

You GOT IT now?

Just now, stevenl said:

Israel occupied and it looks like intends to keep it. So disputed by Israel, recognised by the rest of the world.

You are confusing lines of demarcation with internationally recognized borders.

"The Green Line, or 1949 Armistice border, is the demarcation line set out in the 1949 Armistice Agreements between the armies of Israel and those of its neighbors (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria) after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. "

"The Green Line was intended as a demarcation line rather than a permanent border. The 1949 Armistice Agreements were clear (at Arab insistence) that they were not creating permanent borders."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_(Israel)

The two internationally recognized permanent borders (Egypt-Israel and Jordan-Israel) were set through bilateral treaties.

Which countries recognize the Green Line as permanent borders?

6 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

You are confusing lines of demarcation with internationally recognized borders.

"The Green Line, or 1949 Armistice border, is the demarcation line set out in the 1949 Armistice Agreements between the armies of Israel and those of its neighbors (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria) after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. "

"The Green Line was intended as a demarcation line rather than a permanent border. The 1949 Armistice Agreements were clear (at Arab insistence) that they were not creating permanent borders."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_(Israel)

The two internationally recognized permanent borders (Egypt-Israel and Jordan-Israel) were set through bilateral treaties.

Which countries recognize the Green Line as permanent borders?

As usual dishonest posting by removing text from your own link that doesn't suit your narrative, followed by only posting about the parts you agree with.

Just now, stevenl said:

As usual dishonest posting by removing text from your own link that doesn't suit your narrative, followed by only posting about the parts you agree with.

Nothing dishonest about it. The board has limits on how much text can be quoted. I believe it is three sentences. I leave out parts which are not relevant to the main point. I have in no way changed or distorted the meaning of source material.

But by all means, please quote any sentences from the sources I give or any other sources which say the Green Line is a permanent internationally recognized border.

I have given the sources which say it isn't. What are your sources that it is?

37 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Nothing dishonest about it. The board has limits on how much text can be quoted. I believe it is three sentences. I leave out parts which are not relevant to the main point. I have in no way changed or distorted the meaning of source material.

But by all means, please quote any sentences from the sources I give or any other sources which say the Green Line is a permanent internationally recognized border.

I have given the sources which say it isn't. What are your sources that it is?

Right. So "the majority of its border disputes are rooted in territorial changes that came about as a result of the 1967 Arab–Israeli War, which saw Israel occupy large swathes of territory from its rivals." is not relevant to the main point. I agree it doesn't fit your narrative.

Just now, stevenl said:

Right. So "the majority of its border disputes are rooted in territorial changes that came about as a result of the 1967 Arab–Israeli War, which saw Israel occupy large swathes of territory from its rivals." is not relevant to the main point. I agree it doesn't fit your narrative.

It is not revelant to the main point of our discussion, which is whether or not the UN established the extent of Israel's borders. In an earlier post, you stated (I bolded the text):

Just now, stevenl said:

Very onesided pov. Further, the extent of Israeli borders has been well established by the UN. Israel expanding its borders should not be part of any discussion.

I say that is not true. The UN has never established Israel's borders. The text I left out from the quote in no way stated, suggested or implied the UN had done so. It didn't mention the UN at all.

It did say most of the borders disputes had their roots in the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, which of course is true but in no way supports your claim that Israel's borders were well established by the UN.