offset Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Have you any prove that you brought the dog if not try to get some, it seems in Thai law the person that brought an item is the owner of it so if you can find a way of proving you brought the dog you may not have a case to answer Also your Ex can stop the case because she has got her property back This is what i have been told by a lawyer in a case that I am going to deal with i have been told that if i get my goods back in a Civil case i can drop the Criminal charges because i have not lost any thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post happy chappie Posted May 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2016 I can't believe it's cost 150,000 for bail and 200,000 for a lawyer.your being milked mate and all because of a chihuahua.when you finish with a Thai woman you should run and never look back.they turn very nasty when you take away the goodies in life and will want you in the gutter.obviously she's getting her way.good luck with getting back to the uk. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilbaz Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Thank you very much.Well i just got my wife to call a immigration guy from soi 5 kind of feel bad cause i disturbed him he is relaxing with his familly in Bangkok.I dont have contacts but he arrested me years ago for overstay and gave me his number.He told me that tommorow he will check if i am in the system or not.Am i flagged saying i cannot leave or not.He said if i am flagged he will need pics of my dad in hospital and proof from the hospital back home.He will then take me to the court or whatever and get me persmission to fly home.All of you are being very helpful and kind thank you So you have another "wife" already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan81 Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share Posted May 15, 2016 Yes 150 thousand bail was steep and lawyer fees to much so might look for new lawyer. We asked her can she drop case but her boyfriend kept pushing it. To the poster asking do i have a new wife already.No i call her wife but she is girlfriend.I have been finished with the ex for over two years. I have proof i bought the dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post offset Posted May 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2016 Yes 150 thousand bail was steep and lawyer fees to much so might look for new lawyer. We asked her can she drop case but her boyfriend kept pushing it. To the poster asking do i have a new wife already.No i call her wife but she is girlfriend.I have been finished with the ex for over two years. I have proof i bought the dog Maybe you should copy your proof and get your lawyer to go to the police and ask how you can be accused to stealing your own dog 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan81 Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share Posted May 15, 2016 Will it help any?as its in the court now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilbaz Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Yes 150 thousand bail was steep and lawyer fees to much so might look for new lawyer. We asked her can she drop case but her boyfriend kept pushing it. To the poster asking do i have a new wife already.No i call her wife but she is girlfriend.I have been finished with the ex for over two years. I have proof i bought the dog Were you married legally to the ex who is suing you? It makes a difference to her legal rights to property acquired after the marriage. Have you divorced her now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan81 Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share Posted May 15, 2016 No i never legally married her.Just call her ex wife.As in common law i guess. But no never married Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiduncankk Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 As she is prosecuting you, one would assume she has a lawyer too. Do you think she will be paying anything like the price you have quoted ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan81 Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share Posted May 15, 2016 If her pertner wasnt involved then she wouldnt be paying for any lawyer. I doubht they will be paying anything like 200k for a lawyer.Which i was quoted. Another lawyer quoted me 150.50 now 50 when go to court and 50 when case finished.I never imagined i would be in this situation.I should of never taken the dog from her property i guess but still all this seems a bit extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiduncankk Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Where are you based ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offset Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Will it help any?as its in the court now? If you can prove to the police that it was your dog and not her dog how could they let it go to court it would mean that you have stole you own dog I do not think there is a law that would cover that It could also work in your favour that your Ex has wasted and lied to the police and she could face legal action if your lawyer is any good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Will it help any?as its in the court now? If you can prove to the police that it was your dog and not her dog how could they let it go to court it would mean that you have stole you own dog I do not think there is a law that would cover that I don't think this would make any difference now, as this seems to be a private prosecution. I think you have to appear in court and show your proof of purchase. But you will inevitably face the question how the other party came to be in possession of the dog for such a long time. Merely possessing the dog is of course not a deed of gift, but could craftily be construed as you de facto having gifted the dog to her. Get a competent lawyer, who doesn't take you for a ride. Edited May 15, 2016 by Morakot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterrabbit Posted May 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2016 If you have proof you purchased the dog (and also never gave it to her) then:- 1. Get a lawyer. 2. Go to the police station with the lawyer and proof of purchase and file a report of her filing a false police report against you of theft. She will be in far more trouble about filing a false police report than you and i expect after being summoned by the police She will want to drop the case like a stone. If not, then have your lawyer present the report and proof of purchase to the judge in court and watch the s**t hit the fan. If you really wanted to stick it to her you could also file a private criminal libel charge against her for falsely accusing you of theft. She would be facing a criminal record at the very least for this, but the false police report is considered a very serious office in Thailand and she could go to jail for it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maestro Posted May 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2016 Was it theft? If I understand the situation correctly, this is how the lawyer for the plaintiff will likely present the case in court: The plaintiff lives in a house on land which are both her property. The property is enclosed by a fence, with an entrance gate. For a number of years, the accused cohabited with the plaintiff in the latter's house. About two years ago, the cohabitation ended and the accused moved out of the plaintiff's house, taking with him what he chose of of the personal belongings he had brought with him when he moved in and of the items he had brought in later during the period of cohabitation, and he left behind the items he chose not to take with him, including a dog. On [date], at about [hour], the accused drove with a motorcycle to the plaintiff's property, got off the motorbike and stood outside the entrance gate. The dog lifted it's front legs up on the inside of the gate, the plaintiff reached across the top of the gate, took hold of the dog and lifted it out, got back on the motorcycle and drove off with the dog. The plaintiff reported this theft to the police, who then went to the residence of the accused, retrieved the stolen dog and returned it to the plaintiff on [date] 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berybert Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 If they wanted to stop you leaving the country they would have taken your passport away. Very much doubt a fight over a dog is going to limit your freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 All this headache for a dog,it's absolutely ridiculous. Good luck mate either way. And it is a lot of headache for a chiwawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtycash Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 there is something not right about this !! 150k for bail for stealing your own dog ????? 200k for a lawyer ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 If they wanted to stop you leaving the country they would have taken your passport away. Very much doubt a fight over a dog is going to limit your freedom.You do not fully understand the situation regarding Thai courts. Police do not take passports for minor offences, only for serious matters. Police notify immigration and a red flag is posted against your name. When the offender tries to leave Thailand it is flagged in the system. If you had read my previous post on this subject you would have seen that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiduncankk Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 there is something not right about this !! 150k for bail for stealing your own dog ????? 200k for a lawyer ???? Yes, as with most things, there are two sides to every story. Alan's account of what happened will be completely different than the one used for a prosecution. It would be easy to fabricate his story, make it sound a bit more dramatic, and throw in a few white lies, which is what his ex has probably done. When a judge hears both accounts, the prosecution and the defence, if there are no witnesses, Thai versus falang will not do him any favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offset Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Will it help any?as its in the court now? If you can prove to the police that it was your dog and not her dog how could they let it go to court it would mean that you have stole you own dog I do not think there is a law that would cover that I don't think this would make any difference now, as this seems to be a private prosecution. I think you have to appear in court and show your proof of purchase. But you will inevitably face the question how the other party came to be in possession of the dog for such a long time. Merely possessing the dog is of course not a deed of gift, but could craftily be construed as you de facto having gifted the dog to her. Get a competent lawyer, who doesn't take you for a ride. If it is a private prosecution the police would not be involved and they would have to wait for the court hearing to decide who owns the dog In a criminal case the court would most properly go by what papers they have in front of them to decide where the dog should stay until the case is heard then a final decision will be made Nothing is stopping him from filing a separate case if he could prove that she lied about the ownership of the dog to the police and I think that is what i would do if it was me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbrenn Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 All this headache for a dog,it's absolutely ridiculous. Good luck mate either way. And it is a lot of headache for a chiwawa. Vile little creatures. Certainly not worth all this drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan81 Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 Yes 150 bail shook me also.The 200 k quoted from one lawyer is not a fee i am willing to pay. Immigration called me and said in the system i am flagged.So if i try leave i will be stopled so have to get persmission from the court.I have now decided that i will ask the court for permission after my first court appaearance end of the month.Then maybe i can spend more time with my dad 2-3 weeks instead of the 10 days i was planning now.Thank you for all the advice.I will keep everyone updated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 For what its worth Alan81, I think your plan of waiting till after court appearance is best idea. Good luck in getting it sorted quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan81 Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 Thank you jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanBBK Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 What is the legal definition of theft used here in Thailand? I think elsewhere it might be "intentionally permanently depriving somebody of his property" Don't see how that could be proofed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirtless Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Have you got the proof you bought the dog, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiduncankk Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 What is the legal definition of theft used here in Thailand? I think elsewhere it might be "intentionally permanently depriving somebody of his property" Don't see how that could be proofed here. Thai law is very complicated. Only people who have studied it, like lawyers, would have any understanding of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Did'nt you agree privately that your ex would take care of the dog until you were settled and had a place to take it to.? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan81 Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 Never agreed anything with her she tool my dogs and left never telling me where she stayed.I eventually foind out. Yes i have proof of purchase the police never even listened to my side of the story they never even read me the charge. And they were given allpt of money just to make this case against me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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