Taiwan installs 1st woman president amid tension with China

[SheungWan]

Any Taiwan president elected who believes they can ebb a living without trading in some form with China is like some posters here driving war rhetorics or believing in unicorn & fairies.

In the meantime the pragmatic Chinese race ( which included HK , Taiwan & mainland Chinese ) continue to trade , do business , conclude business deals while this political show is going on for the sake of the world media and those who think this is the most important

The key message as I and a few other posters have mentioned here is China is patient and will wait out, they won't seize the island as in their previous plans seeing there is little or real benefit to it besides giving the warmongers another " Tiananmen incident " to talk about for the next 100 years

Instead they will continue to engage Taiwan in trade and ties and remind them over time we are all Chinese whether you eat dumpings , wantons, Jiaozi ....

Its a giveaway when someone makes a a rather poor attempt to link 'warmongers' and "Tianamen incident'. What we have here is an old CP hack wanting to give cover to the CCP and always but always in their contributions conflating China with the CCP by never, ever referring to the dear party. This doesn't of course impress Taiwan at all. Or us for that matter.

[SheungWan]

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Tsai Ing Wen.

You are a reasonably beautiful Chinese lady. But you have not given birth to any Taiwanese babies. Are you a good example to Taiwan's women ??

Your Taiwan needs more babies. Oh, you need some main-land Chinese women to make some Taiwanese babies for you ? Why don't you go and tell your own Taiwanese women to make more Taiwanese babies ? Got to stop relying on China to give you more babies.

How are YOU going to increase Taiwan's very low birth-rate ? That's the real issue.

Here we have a typical example of the usual hack wumao attempt to smear someone perceived to be political opposition. Patronizing junk for Taiwan.

[tonbridgebrit]

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Tsai Ing Wen.

You are a reasonably beautiful Chinese lady. But you have not given birth to any Taiwanese babies. Are you a good example to Taiwan's women ??

Your Taiwan needs more babies. Oh, you need some main-land Chinese women to make some Taiwanese babies for you ? Why don't you go and tell your own Taiwanese women to make more Taiwanese babies ? Got to stop relying on China to give you more babies.

How are YOU going to increase Taiwan's very low birth-rate ? That's the real issue.

Here we have a typical example of the usual hack wumao attempt to smear someone perceived to be political opposition. Patronizing junk for Taiwan.

Here is a link to the CIA World Factbook.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tw.html

Taiwan's fertility rate is 1.12 children per woman. Do YOU reckon that this statistic is junk ??

Do you reckon that Taiwan, without immingration, is going through NEGATIVE POPULATION GROWTH ? Do you reckon, that with negative population growth, without immigration, the population gets smaller as time goes by ?

Eventually, there won't be anybody left in Taiwan ? Can you, or anybody else, please answer this BEFORE saying that the writing that I've put up is junk. Thanks.

[keemapoot]

Lawrence I actually do speak Mandarin after living many years in Taiwan, apartment almost directly above Guting station in Taipei actually.

The problem that Beijing is dealing with is that the Taiwanese have woken up to the fact that the one country two system myth is unraveling fast,

The Peoples army army could have rolled across the border into Hong Kong anytime they wanted, but the 1997 settlement wasn't ever designed to satisfy the British, it was to lure Taiwan, a vision of what might be possible. Beijing never cared about HK, it wanted Taiwan.

As time has gone by since 1997, I think even the patient Mandarins in Beijing have tired of the waiting game, hence the tightening of the screws in Hong Kong, which in turn has seen the re-emergence of the independence movement in Taiwan.

"The problem that Beijing is dealing with is that the Taiwanese have woken up to the fact that the one country two system myth is unraveling fast,".

But, Sir, surely, you accept that Taiwan has received massive benefits from main-land China ?

I mean, Taiwan is allowed to export it's goods to China with minimal taxes and tariffs. Notice how American and European Union goods are taxed when they enter China. And notice how Taiwan receives a load of tourists from main-land China. Also, Taiwan men go to China, marry a lady, and then take the lady to Taiwan.

Taiwan has one of the lowest birth-rates in the world. How many Taiwan babies are actually from mainland-Chinese women ??

Actually I don't accept that at all.

I lived there through the whole time of the KMT rapprochement with Beijing and if anything it did nothing but bad things to the Taiwan economy.

OK Taiwanese men working having second wives in the mainland, well that's sex not really significant to the economic well being of a nation.

Taiwan has suffered a very similar trade imbalance with China to the US, but Taiwan's economy is so much smaller it's hurt much more than the US

A lot of that trade imbalance is illusory. Taiwan producers, in an effort to keep their western customers, have a tradition of making good quality products, at consistent pricing, with high technology, and precise shipping dates and consistent productive capacity. In order to do that, most Taiwanese went to China for backroom, and then import much of the components, or assembled or partially assembled products and then play games with drawbacks or re-exports in order to obtain a 'Made in Taiwan' label of the product.

This 'Made in Taiwan' Moniker is part of the brand appeal and guarantee of quality. As a result, what looks like a lot of imports to Taiwan are actually a lot of imports for re-exporting. I'm not sure anyone knows the percentage of actual destination imports but for sure this skews the view a lot.

So, the trade imbalance is a contrived imbalance, done with the tacit or over complicity of the Taiwan government, China government and China and Taiwan businessmen, together with their foreign business partners. It all just works.

As far as second wives...I've never known a Taiwanese businessman who didn't have a second or third wife in China.

[Publicus]

Lawrence I actually do speak Mandarin after living many years in Taiwan, apartment almost directly above Guting station in Taipei actually.

The problem that Beijing is dealing with is that the Taiwanese have woken up to the fact that the one country two system myth is unraveling fast,

The Peoples army army could have rolled across the border into Hong Kong anytime they wanted, but the 1997 settlement wasn't ever designed to satisfy the British, it was to lure Taiwan, a vision of what might be possible. Beijing never cared about HK, it wanted Taiwan.

As time has gone by since 1997, I think even the patient Mandarins in Beijing have tired of the waiting game, hence the tightening of the screws in Hong Kong, which in turn has seen the re-emergence of the independence movement in Taiwan.

The long standing independence movement in Taiwan has extended to Hong kong in recent years, and each has joined up with the other. CCP Dictators in Beijing are creating their own headaches with their ancient insistence and absolute demands against democracy and against any or all parliamentary systems any where any time under any circumstances.

Taiwan and Hong Kong which CCP claims or has sovereignty over are Chinese living under democracy, freedom, a certain degree of liberty. They have free market systems at their core rather than a state owned and operated system of economy. This contradicts and negates the CCP's constant assertions that only it can govern China. CCP is threatened by any Chinese anywhere living under a parliamentary system, to include of course the sovereign city-state of Singapore which is dominated by people of a Chinese ancestry.

People who have parliamentary systems or beliefs do defend them with conviction and determination. Conversely, people who oppose parliamentary systems and who in fact have absolute contempt of them are themselves fierce.

Hong Kong ‘Umbrella’ leaders seek closer ties with Taiwan

By Coconuts Hong Kong January 18, 2016

Alex Chow and Joshua Wong in Taipei. Photo: AFP

Student leaders of Hong Kong’s pro-democracy Umbrella Movement said yesterday they would seek closer ties with Taiwan after the island elected a new president who pledged to stand up to China.

Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan’s main opposition party won by a landslide Saturday as voters expressed their discontent over warmer relations with China under the ruling Kuomintang (KMT).

“Whether it is the issue of Taiwan’s sovereignty or the future of Hong Kong, we both face the China factor,” said Joshua Wong, the teenage face of the Umbrella Movement which brought parts of Hong Kong to a standstill in 2014 seeking fully free leadership elections. “I think more exchange is very much needed,” Wong told a press conference in Taipei.

The 19-year-old was in Taiwan as part of a pro-democracy group observing Saturday’s elections.

http://hongkong.coconuts.co/2016/01/18/hong-kong-umbrella-leaders-seek-closer-ties-taiwan

Hong Kong: Student activist Joshua Wong goes on trial

Activists accused of obstructing justice during 2014 Umbrella Revolution say trial is "politically motivated"

Joshua Wong is being tried for his role in storming government headquarters two years ago

Four Hong Kong pro-democracy activists accused of obstructing justice in a case dating back to 2014 have appeared in court.

The activists behind the so-called Umbrella Revolution of 2014 said on Tuesday that the case was "politically motivated".

Joshua Wong, Nathan Law, Albert Chan and Raphael Wong were protesting against Chinese interference in Hong Kong's electoral process before a vote for a new chief executive in 2017.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/hong-kong-joshua-wong-trial-160503055336027.html

All dictators are by their nature guaranteed to be incipient fascists if not literal fascists. Always, every where, in every instance.

[Publicus]

The ratio of girls to boys in CCP China is 100 : 116. It's been out of balance for decades and only increasingly so. It's been completely one-sided for decades now.

Men on the mainland have run out of the pool of wives and the pool of mistresses alike. So spouse seeking men from Taiwan are as welcome on the mainland as the plague. Mainland women have had their pick of the massive litter for a long time now with no change in sight.

The electing of a woman president by Taiwan only brings a new focus to the desperation of men on the mainland in their expectation of marriage and it complicates relationships and interaction between the men of Taiwan and the men of the mainland.

There were riots recently in the mainland industrial areas near Hong Kong and across from Taiwan due to the Uighur migrant workers approaching the local Han women. For a controlled society CCP China is quite the mess...or because of it.

[Publicus]

CCP can't let the people know what is happening outside of the CCP China. So it's the usual.....

China official media blackout on Taiwan inauguration

Beijing (AFP) - Official mainland Chinese news outlets largely snubbed the inauguration of Taiwan's Beijing-sceptic new president Tsai Ing-wen on Friday, while searches for her name and "Taiwan" were blocked on social media.

China's state-run media were almost mute about the inauguration, with no coverage at all on national television or major newspapers such as the People's Daily, the Communist Party's mouthpiece.

The official news agency Xinhua took nearly three hours from when she was sworn in to report the fact in a 22-word dispatch in English.

The new dynasty of CCP emperors in business suits are the young and nervous dynasty. They're having another nervous breakdown, this one over Taiwan and democracy there.

This is another instance of the mind control psychopaths who must have their sociopath control of the minds of 1.6 billion people. The CCP censors get up every morning to go to work and to earn a living for themselves and to support their families by controlling the minds of others in their society. The vast majority of the population. Same as any other dictators of history and of the modern world of since electronic communications have been developed. No IT for the CCP.

[tonbridgebrit]

The ratio of girls to boys in CCP China is 100 : 116. It's been out of balance for decades and only increasingly so. It's been completely one-sided for decades now.

Men on the mainland have run out of the pool of wives and the pool of mistresses alike. So spouse seeking men from Taiwan are as welcome on the mainland as the plague. Mainland women have had their pick of the massive litter for a long time now with no change in sight.

The electing of a woman president by Taiwan only brings a new focus to the desperation of men on the mainland in their expectation of marriage and it complicates relationships and interaction between the men of Taiwan and the men of the mainland.

There were riots recently in the mainland industrial areas near Hong Kong and across from Taiwan due to the Uighur migrant workers approaching the local Han women. For a controlled society CCP China is quite the mess...or because of it.

Please note, South Korea's ratio of boys to girls is 107:100, but you won't find any of the newspapers reporting that.

From the CIA Factbook, https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html (about South Korea).

Thailand has about 68 million people, and we know that a stack of foreign men are in Thailand, with a Thai girlfriend or Thai wife.

Are foreign men in Thailand causing a social problem by taking Thai women as a girlfriend ? Surely not ?

Now, China has 1.36 billion people, that's twenty times Thailand. Taiwan has 26 million people. And we're suppose to believe that Taiwanese men going to China and getting themselves a girlfriend, this is suppose to be causing a social problem in China ??

I say this. Taiwan men getting a girlfriend or wife in China, many have lost money and property when being with Chinese women.

Bit like foreign men here in Thailand.

[keemapoot]

The ratio of girls to boys in CCP China is 100 : 116. It's been out of balance for decades and only increasingly so. It's been completely one-sided for decades now.

Men on the mainland have run out of the pool of wives and the pool of mistresses alike. So spouse seeking men from Taiwan are as welcome on the mainland as the plague. Mainland women have had their pick of the massive litter for a long time now with no change in sight.

The electing of a woman president by Taiwan only brings a new focus to the desperation of men on the mainland in their expectation of marriage and it complicates relationships and interaction between the men of Taiwan and the men of the mainland.

There were riots recently in the mainland industrial areas near Hong Kong and across from Taiwan due to the Uighur migrant workers approaching the local Han women. For a controlled society CCP China is quite the mess...or because of it.

Please note, South Korea's ratio of boys to girls is 107:100, but you won't find any of the newspapers reporting that.

From the CIA Factbook, https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html (about South Korea).

Thailand has about 68 million people, and we know that a stack of foreign men are in Thailand, with a Thai girlfriend or Thai wife.

Are foreign men in Thailand causing a social problem by taking Thai women as a girlfriend ? Surely not ?

Now, China has 1.36 billion people, that's twenty times Thailand. Taiwan has 26 million people. And we're suppose to believe that Taiwanese men going to China and getting themselves a girlfriend, this is suppose to be causing a social problem in China ??

I say this. Taiwan men getting a girlfriend or wife in China, many have lost money and property when being with Chinese women.

Bit like foreign men here in Thailand.

Yeah, you're right about S. Korea. Korean men famously import Filipina and other Asian brides, and they are usually miserable there. Korean men can't get Korean women, they are too snooty.

And, regarding Taiwanese playboys in China, for sure they are usually a good catch, because they usually have more cash to spend than the locals, and a meaningful percentage also go poaching in Fujian province, as many Taiwanese speak a variant of the Hokkien dialect. Whether they will get beat up by the jealous local mainlanders or not, as Pub seems to suggest remains to be seen.

Is this sidebar issue of male:female ratios and relationships important to the topic? Maybe, yeah, because if relations are strained under the new Taiwan leadership, and somehow travel becomes restricted, I guess that could lead to broken families or hardships?

[tonbridgebrit]

The ratio of girls to boys in CCP China is 100 : 116. It's been out of balance for decades and only increasingly so. It's been completely one-sided for decades now.

Men on the mainland have run out of the pool of wives and the pool of mistresses alike. So spouse seeking men from Taiwan are as welcome on the mainland as the plague. Mainland women have had their pick of the massive litter for a long time now with no change in sight.

The electing of a woman president by Taiwan only brings a new focus to the desperation of men on the mainland in their expectation of marriage and it complicates relationships and interaction between the men of Taiwan and the men of the mainland.

There were riots recently in the mainland industrial areas near Hong Kong and across from Taiwan due to the Uighur migrant workers approaching the local Han women. For a controlled society CCP China is quite the mess...or because of it.

Please note, South Korea's ratio of boys to girls is 107:100, but you won't find any of the newspapers reporting that.

From the CIA Factbook, https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html (about South Korea).

Thailand has about 68 million people, and we know that a stack of foreign men are in Thailand, with a Thai girlfriend or Thai wife.

Are foreign men in Thailand causing a social problem by taking Thai women as a girlfriend ? Surely not ?

Now, China has 1.36 billion people, that's twenty times Thailand. Taiwan has 26 million people. And we're suppose to believe that Taiwanese men going to China and getting themselves a girlfriend, this is suppose to be causing a social problem in China ??

I say this. Taiwan men getting a girlfriend or wife in China, many have lost money and property when being with Chinese women.

Bit like foreign men here in Thailand.

Yeah, you're right about S. Korea. Korean men famously import Filipina and other Asian brides, and they are usually miserable there. Korean men can't get Korean women, they are too snooty.

And, regarding Taiwanese playboys in China, for sure they are usually a good catch, because they usually have more cash to spend than the locals, and a meaningful percentage also go poaching in Fujian province, as many Taiwanese speak a variant of the Hokkien dialect. Whether they will get beat up by the jealous local mainlanders or not, as Pub seems to suggest remains to be seen.

Is this sidebar issue of male:female ratios and relationships important to the topic? Maybe, yeah, because if relations are strained under the new Taiwan leadership, and somehow travel becomes restricted, I guess that could lead to broken families or hardships?

"Is this sidebar issue of male:female ratios and relationships important to the topic?"

Well, yes, I think it is. We have to look at what is actually happening. Yes, Taiwan really does have one of the lowest birth-rates in the world, every place on earth needs people, new people to replace existing ones. And Taiwan men are a little bit racist. They refuse to go to places like Nigeria and Bangladesh to get a wife, they go to China instead, and some take the wife back to Taiwan.

So, Taiwan needs China to continue making Taiwanese babies. Yeah, many Taiwanese are originally from Fujian, these Taiwanese men want Fujian wives. Their sense of ethnic identity means that some of them don't want a wife from outside of Fujian. Yeah, Taiwan people are off-course, actually Chinese. And lots are from Fujian in China.

We're talking about the impact of China on Taiwan. It's not just about Chinese tourists flooding Taiwan, and the huge amount of trade that goes on between China and Taiwan. It's also about Taiwanese men getting a wife from main-land China. What's more important to a man ? His wife or a stack of goods from China ?

[Scott]

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[tonbridgebrit]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/wary-china-watches-taiwan-inaugurates-first-woman-president-230440899--business.html

Okay, sorry about that.
A quote from the above article from Reuters. [Tsai Ing-wen is to be inaugurated Taiwan's first woman president on Friday, with the export-driven economy on the ropes and wary Communist Party rulers in China watching for any move towards independence by an island it considers its own.]

And [Taiwan's political uncertainty pushed Taiwan's main stock index to over three month lows last week with foreign investors net equity sellers every trading session so far this month.]

And a final quote [Many Taiwan technology companies produce their goods in China while also eying the vast Chinese market potential, making the mainland a major export destination.]


That last sentence. Yes, you can love or hate Beijing, that's up to you. But Beijing controls who is, and who is not, allowed access to the vast Chinese market.
It's best not to antagonize Beijing.

[LawrenceChee]

So Beijing started last night to crank up the pressure

Oranges from Taiwan will now be subjected to more inspections ....it's a good move and learnt from the west.

I applaud the CCP for staying calm instead of going into war rhetorics. Those who are calm and logical can see China has learnt fast what kind of pressure to apply and what not to ...this is a communist government in morph and in transition , learning a best blend much like a master barista

Why oranges ? It's on the Low end of the economic key and can be moved ip the chains to more high value productions later if this Taiwanese stance doesn't soften

The China bashers can go out today and try to find some Taiwanese oranges to support your cause or lobby trump to serve that in his hotels ( although the USA Farmers will give him hell for not using your navel variety)

Reality check - most Taiwanese oranges end up in the south region of China ....24 million people alone in Guangzhou munching these sweet things .. Taiwan is firmly entrenched in the China's buyer markets

I love to see her next move. Farmers as we know are an impatient lot and vocal if their crops are not bought.

Her honeymoon is short and over ...lets see her economic Masterplan implemented without China's support

I know Comrade P will from a point of principle swap out his Lenovo for an Acer ...

[Publicus]

So Beijing started last night to crank up the pressure

Oranges from Taiwan will now be subjected to more inspections ....it's a good move and learnt from the west.

I applaud the CCP for staying calm instead of going into war rhetorics. Those who are calm and logical can see China has learnt fast what kind of pressure to apply and what not to ...this is a communist government in morph and in transition , learning a best blend much like a master barista

Why oranges ? It's on the Low end of the economic key and can be moved ip the chains to more high value productions later if this Taiwanese stance doesn't soften

The China bashers can go out today and try to find some Taiwanese oranges to support your cause or lobby trump to serve that in his hotels ( although the USA Farmers will give him hell for not using your navel variety)

Reality check - most Taiwanese oranges end up in the south region of China ....24 million people alone in Guangzhou munching these sweet things .. Taiwan is firmly entrenched in the China's buyer markets

I love to see her next move. Farmers as we know are an impatient lot and vocal if their crops are not bought.

Her honeymoon is short and over ...lets see her economic Masterplan implemented without China's support

I know Comrade P will from a point of principle swap out his Lenovo for an Acer ...

Oranges from Taiwan will now be subjected to more inspections ....it's a good move and learnt from the west.

Wong again Lawence. CCP Dictators in Beijing have learned nothing from the West. The West put sanctions on Putin and shipped assistance to Ukraine. So there are serious problems with the Confiused logic there. [sic]

Throw a tantrum why dontcha. CCP pushed Taiwan too hard and too far so now it has President Hsai Ing-wen of the independence advocate Democratic Progressive Party, to include DDP control of the parliament for the first time ever. As CCP keeps pushing in the SCS, in its currency, its trade dumps on the market in violation of WTO rules, its restrictions on foreign companies and so much more you may find yourselves influencing the election of Potus too.

Think about it.

China wants more influence over Taiwan, but it may not matter

Some in Taiwan complain that the ties between their island and China have benefited only a handful of major companies and rich individuals — an argument similar to one often made by Americans about the U.S. relationship with China.

Hsai Ing-wen at election night celebration rally in Taipei, Taiwan January 6, 2016 as Ms.

Hsai's leadership of the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party led the DDP

to a landslide victory of Ms. Hsai as president-elect and the first time ever DPP majority

control of the parliament.

Beijing threatened over the weekend to end regular communication with Taiwan unless its new president acknowledges the so-called One China principle. But that threat is unlikely to sway Taipei.

Tsai Ing-wen, who leads the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), was sworn in as president on May 20, ending eight years of pro-China Nationalist Party (KMT) rule. The mainland government, unhappy that the less Beijing-friendly DPP is taking over, has tried to apply pressure on the island, but things are stacked against Beijing.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/25/china-wants-more-influence-over-taiwan-but-it-may-not-matter.html

Relay my regards to the CCP petty mind control censors too btw. It's a humble request from the blue team I'm on to youse guyz with one leg running with the green team while the other leg runs with the red team. It's where they meet in the middle that flops.

[LawrenceChee]

Comrade P

You are wrong and dead wrong ...the USA have never favoured talks and until a black president came along you won't even consider lifting sanctions against Cuba and just lifted against Vietnam ...Myanmar awaits ....

So stop the dumb rhetorics and this Color team thing ...the USA is the one that favor using force and missiles and have consistently done so in the last 50 years to no effect and no change

China has threatened like a superpower can but have fired shit against Taiwan so far ....Politicians talk all the time ...warmongers favor firing ...logical people do business

I am still approving purchases in the hotels under my charge to order Taiwanese fruit ...it's fresh and cheap ...dumb to say no to that. Guest like it as a lot but if Japan or Korea reduces their price range, we will order theirs for sure