Tel Aviv Gay Pride Week accused of “pinkwashing” Israeli abuses

[dexterm]

@Galactus

So, praising such parades in Turkey is alright, and in no way constitutes "pink washing" the government's policies with regard to Kurds, other civil rights and dissenters in general?

Comparing Israel with North Korea is pretty much out there, and just puts the rest of your rant in proper perspective.

The point being made is that two things could be upheld simultaneously - celebrating GLBT rights in Israel, and objecting to Israeli policies vs. the Palestinians. One does not necessarily negate the other.

As for your imaginary Jewish friends - just another poor trolling attempt. Talking against IDF actions, against the Israeli occupation and expressing pro-peace views are easily quoted daily on mainstream media channels, not to mention social media etc.

There is no death penalty in for being gay in Israel, irrelevant of what's written the bible and what some extremists might wish. Your whole point kinda defeats itself considering the OP deals with a mass event.

LGBT rights in Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Turkey

Turkish police fire pepper spray at gay pride parade

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/28/world/turkey-pride-parade-lgbt-violence/

i am not saying Turks do everything alright but certainly doing better than Israel. i was just answering jingthing's questions like it is only Israel in middle east to people can celebrate a Gay Pride. Clearly it is not.

and my friends are real but you? an account in a forum. god now who you are.

Israel has no respect on human rights and no justice there. so i can understand people on protecting Gay price celebrations. Bc, you need to be human first to be a gay.

LGBT rights in Turkey are not better than they are in Israel. For one thing, police does not pepper spray participants.

It can be debated whether your friends are imaginary. It is a matter of certainty that the views you claim they hold are out of touch with reality. There are numerous topics, links and quotes on this forum alone which attest to this.

If Israel does not have any respect for human rights, what was this event all about? Nonsense blanket statements do not make an argument.

>>If Israel does not have any respect for human rights, what was this event all about?

...pinkwashing!

Exactly as claimed by the Israeli LGBT group in the OP.

Edited June 8, 2016 by dexterm

[Morch]

@Galactus

So, praising such parades in Turkey is alright, and in no way constitutes "pink washing" the government's policies with regard to Kurds, other civil rights and dissenters in general?

Comparing Israel with North Korea is pretty much out there, and just puts the rest of your rant in proper perspective.

The point being made is that two things could be upheld simultaneously - celebrating GLBT rights in Israel, and objecting to Israeli policies vs. the Palestinians. One does not necessarily negate the other.

As for your imaginary Jewish friends - just another poor trolling attempt. Talking against IDF actions, against the Israeli occupation and expressing pro-peace views are easily quoted daily on mainstream media channels, not to mention social media etc.

There is no death penalty in for being gay in Israel, irrelevant of what's written the bible and what some extremists might wish. Your whole point kinda defeats itself considering the OP deals with a mass event.

LGBT rights in Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Turkey

Turkish police fire pepper spray at gay pride parade

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/28/world/turkey-pride-parade-lgbt-violence/

i am not saying Turks do everything alright but certainly doing better than Israel. i was just answering jingthing's questions like it is only Israel in middle east to people can celebrate a Gay Pride. Clearly it is not.

and my friends are real but you? an account in a forum. god now who you are.

Israel has no respect on human rights and no justice there. so i can understand people on protecting Gay price celebrations. Bc, you need to be human first to be a gay.

LGBT rights in Turkey are not better than they are in Israel. For one thing, police does not pepper spray participants.

It can be debated whether your friends are imaginary. It is a matter of certainty that the views you claim they hold are out of touch with reality. There are numerous topics, links and quotes on this forum alone which attest to this.

If Israel does not have any respect for human rights, what was this event all about? Nonsense blanket statements do not make an argument.

>>If Israel does not have any respect for human rights, what was this event all about?

...pinkwashing!

Exactly as claimed by the Israeli LGBT group in the OP.

Are you being intentionally obtuse or simply trolling?

The OPs "Israeli LGBT group" is not Israeli. Been covered at least twice on this topic, and yet you persist with this falsehood.

And NO. Not everything in Israel is to do with the Palestinians. Not everything is to be considered in light of the conflict, And no, not every civil/human rights issue in Israel is intended to ward off criticism regarding policies vs. the Palestinians.

[MisterTee]

>>If Israel does not have any respect for human rights, what was this event all about?

...pinkwashing!

Exactly as claimed by the Israeli LGBT group in the OP.

Are you being intentionally obtuse or simply trolling?

The OPs "Israeli LGBT group" is not Israeli. Been covered at least twice on this topic, and yet you persist with this falsehood.

And NO. Not everything in Israel is to do with the Palestinians. Not everything is to be considered in light of the conflict, And no, not every civil/human rights issue in Israel is intended to ward off criticism regarding policies vs. the Palestinians.

The "Israeli LGBT group" and what it claims isn't very important.

The obvious fact is that this event is just another publicity stunt to legitimize a regime that should be ostracized until they get back within their internationally recognized borders.

[Morch]

>>If Israel does not have any respect for human rights, what was this event all about?

...pinkwashing!

Exactly as claimed by the Israeli LGBT group in the OP.

Are you being intentionally obtuse or simply trolling?

The OPs "Israeli LGBT group" is not Israeli. Been covered at least twice on this topic, and yet you persist with this falsehood.

And NO. Not everything in Israel is to do with the Palestinians. Not everything is to be considered in light of the conflict, And no, not every civil/human rights issue in Israel is intended to ward off criticism regarding policies vs. the Palestinians.

The "Israeli LGBT group" and what it claims isn't very important.

The obvious fact is that this event is just another publicity stunt to legitimize a regime that should be ostracized until they get back within their internationally recognized borders.

Yeah, facts are never very important when they come in the way of good old propaganda.

The obvious fact is that the event itself is not organized by the Israeli government. Despite some posters' fixation, people can and do acknowledge that not all civil/human rights issues in Israel are tied to the Palestinians.

[Jingthing]

>>If Israel does not have any respect for human rights, what was this event all about?

...pinkwashing!

Exactly as claimed by the Israeli LGBT group in the OP.

Are you being intentionally obtuse or simply trolling?

The OPs "Israeli LGBT group" is not Israeli. Been covered at least twice on this topic, and yet you persist with this falsehood.

And NO. Not everything in Israel is to do with the Palestinians. Not everything is to be considered in light of the conflict, And no, not every civil/human rights issue in Israel is intended to ward off criticism regarding policies vs. the Palestinians.

The "Israeli LGBT group" and what it claims isn't very important.

The obvious fact is that this event is just another publicity stunt to legitimize a regime that should be ostracized until they get back within their internationally recognized borders.

No, it is no such thing. Please refer to the Dershowitz article which explains how TOXIC such conspiracy theories are.

It is Tel Aviv Gay Pride Week, an event that has been going on for many years.

Pride Week in Israel done for the SAME REASONS they are done in many other nations, though of course each specific nation (as well as regions within nations) is at a unique place as far as the level of their LGBT civil rights progress and local cultural environment.

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's done to have Pride Week as happens in many nations all over the world now. As it's so big now, of course it naturally gets publicity. It natural the press would notice the CONTRAST between the GLBT civil rights situation in Israel and other nations in the region.

The border issues are real. Pride Week in Tel Aviv is just not about that. Not everything all the time in Israel needs to be about that.

Having Pride Week doesn't mean those issues go away.

As far as Israel seeking TOURISM revenue from big events such as PRIDE WEEK, this is no different than when other nations tourism organizations commercially "exploit" for similar events. Rio Carnival (very gay popular), San Francisco Pride, Amsterdam Queen's Day Party, Eurovision, Toronto Pride, etc.

Yes Gay Pride events have become a BIG BUSINESS in many cities in many countries. So what? Why not Israel if they have great events in a fabulous city, which they do?

Yes, nobody is denying there is a decades long conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Arab identity movement. There are border conflicts and indeed they continue.

But Israel is still a nation that does exist and as such NORMAL things happen there.

People go to college graduations. They go to rock concerts. They go to football matches. They go to see Jerry Seinfeld to make them laugh. They go to Gay Pride Parades.

Normal things as happen in so many countries.

Not college washing.

Not rock and roll washing.

Not football washing.

Not comedy washing.

Not pink washing.

Normal stuff that happens.

Doesn't mean the conflicts are resolved. Doesn't mean these normal things are done for propaganda conspiracy theory either.

Edited June 8, 2016 by Jingthing

[MisterTee]

>>If Israel does not have any respect for human rights, what was this event all about?

...pinkwashing!

Exactly as claimed by the Israeli LGBT group in the OP.

Are you being intentionally obtuse or simply trolling?

The OPs "Israeli LGBT group" is not Israeli. Been covered at least twice on this topic, and yet you persist with this falsehood.

And NO. Not everything in Israel is to do with the Palestinians. Not everything is to be considered in light of the conflict, And no, not every civil/human rights issue in Israel is intended to ward off criticism regarding policies vs. the Palestinians.

The "Israeli LGBT group" and what it claims isn't very important.

The obvious fact is that this event is just another publicity stunt to legitimize a regime that should be ostracized until they get back within their internationally recognized borders.

No, it is no such thing. Please refer to the Dershowitz article which explains how TOXIC such conspiracy theories are.

It is Tel Aviv Gay Pride Week, an event that has been going on for many years.

Pride Week in Israel done for the SAME REASONS they are done in many other nations, though of course each specific nation (as well as regions within nations) is at a unique place as far as the level of their LGBT civil rights progress and local cultural environment.

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's done to have Pride Week as happens in many nations all over the world now. As it's so big now, of course it naturally gets publicity. It natural the press would notice the CONTRAST between the GLBT civil rights situation in Israel and other nations in the region.

The border issues are real. Pride Week in Tel Aviv is just not about that. Not everything all the time in Israel needs to be about that.

Having Pride Week doesn't mean those issues go away.

As far as Israel seeking TOURISM revenue from big events such as PRIDE WEEK, this is no different than when other nations tourism organizations commercially "exploit" for similar events. Rio Carnival (very gay popular), San Francisco Pride, Amsterdam Queen's Day Party, Eurovision, Toronto Pride, etc.

Yes Gay Pride events have become a BIG BUSINESS in many cities in many countries. So what? Why not Israel if they have great events in a fabulous city, which they do?

Yes, nobody is denying there is a decades long conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Arab identity movement. There are border conflicts and indeed they continue.

But Israel is still a nation that does exist and as such NORMAL things happen there.

People go to college graduations. They go to rock concerts. They go to football matches. They go to see Jerry Seinfeld to make them laugh. They go to Gay Pride Parades.

Normal things as happen in so many countries.

Not college washing.

Not rock and roll washing.

Not football washing.

Not comedy washing.

Not pink washing.

Normal stuff that happens.

Doesn't mean the conflicts are resolved. Doesn't mean these normal things are done for propaganda conspiracy theory either.

Yes, as you say, Israel is a nation that does exist and normal things happen there

But as long as they keep building illegal settlements and encroaching on Palestinian land they are in violation of international law and will be treated as a pariah state just as apartheid South Africa was until worldwide pressure and boycotts brought the necessary changes.

[Jingthing]

Yes, it's understood that Israel has many strong critics.

But this "pinkwashing" charge over the very legitimate Israeli GLBT civil rights movement which BTW includes all GLBT Israeli citizens of any ethnicity is a load of BROWN stuff.

We have many threads about the conflicts you speak of. THIS topic isn't about that. It's about whether the PINKWASHING charge about GAY PRIDE events in Israel is legit or not. In my view, the charge is NOT LEGIT.

[Morch]

Yes, as you say, Israel is a nation that does exist and normal things happen there

But as long as they keep building illegal settlements and encroaching on Palestinian land they are in violation of international law and will be treated as a pariah state just as apartheid South Africa was until worldwide pressure and boycotts brought the necessary changes.

Go on fantasizing. Israel is not the same as South Africa.

De Klerk: 'Odious' to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa

http://www.timesofisrael.com/de-klerk-odious-to-compare-israel-to-apartheid-south-africa/

Israel is not, in reality, treated as a pariah state, and neither is there anything resembling the same sort of "worldwide pressure and boycotts".

Don't let facts confuse you, they are, after all, "not very important".

[dexterm]

Yes, as you say, Israel is a nation that does exist and normal things happen there

But as long as they keep building illegal settlements and encroaching on Palestinian land they are in violation of international law and will be treated as a pariah state just as apartheid South Africa was until worldwide pressure and boycotts brought the necessary changes.

Go on fantasizing. Israel is not the same as South Africa.

De Klerk: 'Odious' to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa

http://www.timesofisrael.com/de-klerk-odious-to-compare-israel-to-apartheid-south-africa/

Israel is not, in reality, treated as a pariah state, and neither is there anything resembling the same sort of "worldwide pressure and boycotts".

Don't let facts confuse you, they are, after all, "not very important".

FW de Klerk is not exactly representative of the majority black South Africans who bore the brunt of apartheid. Nor does your link or he mention the apartheid conditions under which Palestinians must live in the West Bank and Gaza. He focuses only on Israeli Palestinians, and even their equality is seriously debatable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adalah_%E2%80%93_The_Legal_Center_for_Arab_Minority_Rights_in_Israel

[Morch]

Yes, as you say, Israel is a nation that does exist and normal things happen there

But as long as they keep building illegal settlements and encroaching on Palestinian land they are in violation of international law and will be treated as a pariah state just as apartheid South Africa was until worldwide pressure and boycotts brought the necessary changes.

Go on fantasizing. Israel is not the same as South Africa.

De Klerk: 'Odious' to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa

http://www.timesofisrael.com/de-klerk-odious-to-compare-israel-to-apartheid-south-africa/

Israel is not, in reality, treated as a pariah state, and neither is there anything resembling the same sort of "worldwide pressure and boycotts".

Don't let facts confuse you, they are, after all, "not very important".

FW de Klerk is not exactly representative of the majority black South Africans who bore the brunt of apartheid. Nor does your link or he mention the apartheid conditions under which Palestinians must live in the West Bank and Gaza. He focuses only on Israeli Palestinians, and even their equality is seriously debatable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adalah_%E2%80%93_The_Legal_Center_for_Arab_Minority_Rights_in_Israel

And obviously, your own opinion and that of the other poster are more informed being representatives of nothing whatsoever. Indeed, Israel is a country by its own right, and neither the West Bank nor the Gaza Strip are part of it. If and when Israel annexes these territories and applies the same rules as today, feel free to make the comparison. Arab citizens of Israel got full political representation, just for starters, somewhat different than South Africa.

Regardless of deflections and attempts at derailing, the topic is not about apartheid nor South Africa.

[Ulysses G.]

Are you being intentionally obtuse or simply trolling?

A combination of both. Most of his opinions are based on information he has made up himself or lies from from bogus anti-Semitic websites. The information Morch posts on this forum can easily be proven with proof from legit news or historical sources to back it up.

Edited June 9, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[Scott]

Continued discussion of South Africa will result in suspensions.

Please stay on topic.

[DaddyWarbucks]

Are you being intentionally obtuse or simply trolling?

A combination of both. Most of his opinions are based on information he has made up himself or lies from from bogus anti-Semitic websites. The information Morch posts on this forum can easily be proven with proof from legit news or historical sources to back it up.

The Tel Aviv Gay Pride parade couldn't fail to provoke rancorous controversy.

For many of its promoters that was the obvious intent.

Propaganda and a biased agenda are easy to see, and linked references are only as credible as their sources.

[Morch]

The Tel Aviv Gay Pride parade couldn't fail to provoke rancorous controversy.

For many of its promoters that was the obvious intent.

Propaganda and a biased agenda are easy to see, and linked references are only as credible as their sources.

Considering the "sources" of the OP, that's quite a funny comment. Thanks for the chuckle.

[Jingthing]

Some pictures of Tel Aviv Pride.

Before the recent terrorist attack in Tel Aviv.

Not sure what would have been different if the attack happened just before it.

http://www.advocate.com/pride/2016/6/10/39-images-tel-aviv-celebrating-pride-life