Our child is born. Which documents from the Ampoe?

[TKI]

Dear all,

our son has been born a few days ago. Mum: Thai, dad: German.

The birth certificate we have already. Issued from the Ampoe in the area where the hospital is.

Now when we go home, which documents can we expect to be issued from our home Ampoe?

1. will our son get his won Tabien Baan or will he be put into his mama's one (blue)?

2. will we get a certification of nationality? Do we get it automatically or do we have to ask for it, and if yes what is the Thai name for it?

3. will we get an ID card for our son now, or is there any restriction in regard to age?

4. is there any more we would have to get or ask for at the Ampoe?

Thank you very much.

[PoorSucker]

1. Your son will be put in same Thabien Bahn as his mother (unless he own a house) , we did this at the Tessabahn not the Amphur.

2. Your son has been issued a ID-number on his birth certificate.

3. No ID card until he is 7 yrs old.

4. No

Congratulations.

[TKI]

Thank you very much!

Maybe one more question please if you would not mind:

How can our son travel abroad without ID card or passport?

Thank you. Regards, Tobias

[lj cm]

Just be sure that, if your son has your surname, it's translated correct to Thai.

It's difficult to change later.

I just saw your last question; and your son can get a Thai Passport. He just sign it with a fingerprint.

[brewsterbudgen]

Thank you very much!

Maybe one more question please if you would not mind:

How can our son travel abroad without ID card or passport?

Thank you. Regards, Tobias

He can't, unless it's to Laos/Cambodia over land. You'll need to get him a passport.

[lemonjelly]

Just a quick question, did you give your boy a German name? Was this a problem with the Amphoe office?

I've been told that the first name has to be Thai, anyone know?

[khunPer]

As Poor Sucker said – seem like nothing has changed since my luk khrueng daughter was born.

If you are not married to the Thai mum, your name on the birth certificate don 't give you any parentenital rights; you will need a separate document for that. That can, to my knowledge, either be from Court or, when you son is old enough, from Amphor, where both mum and child confirm you are the father (I did the last option).

If you apply for dual citizenship (German also), you may need all documents translated to English and verified by Legalization Division, Department of Consular Affairs, Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok; your embassy will give you further advise. The translation(s) need to be very correct, as otherwise refused from legalization.

[khunPer]

Thank you very much!

Maybe one more question please if you would not mind:

How can our son travel abroad without ID card or passport?

Thank you. Regards, Tobias

You can apply for Passport for your child; normally both father and mother need to be present and sign the documents (I've done it for my daughter).

[Bangkokhatter]

Just a quick question, did you give your boy a German name? Was this a problem with the Amphoe office?

I've been told that the first name has to be Thai, anyone know?

Named our Daughter Molly, no problems from anyone, apart from Grandma maybe, who struggles to say it

[khunPer]

Just a quick question, did you give your boy a German name? Was this a problem with the Amphoe office?

I've been told that the first name has to be Thai, anyone know?

I was told the same, and the Amphor has (at least had) at huge black book with prohibited names, they checked-and-checked but approved our name-choice, as it was not in the book. You can always do it the-Thai-way, with a farang nickname (short-name)...

[TKI]

Dear all, thank you very much for your information and advice.

@lemonjelly:

as to your question: yes, we did give him two names, one of it german. ISA MANUEL

It was no problem for the Amphoe. Only the translation. it has been 15:00 short time before closing, no other customers, and six female employees from the Ampoe gathered together and discussed about 40 minutes which would be the best translation of "Isa Manuel" into Thai script. It was quite funny. But generally spoken - as fo my experience - it should not be a problem to have a name in Latin letters. But it has to be translated into Thai Script.

As advice i would say: better to have it prepared before and go to the Ampoe with the Thai Script name of your choice.

[swissbie]

Thank you very much!

Maybe one more question please if you would not mind:

How can our son travel abroad without ID card or passport?

Thank you. Regards, Tobias

You will have to translate and verify the birth certificate of your son at your embassy. A registration in the Tabien Bahn is needed, but not for travel. Our daughter traveled to europe when she was less then a month old. There are neither ID's nor Passports issued at this age. Travel without his mother is not possible.

[brewsterbudgen]

Thank you very much!

Maybe one more question please if you would not mind:

How can our son travel abroad without ID card or passport?

Thank you. Regards, Tobias

You will have to translate and verify the birth certificate of your son at your embassy. A registration in the Tabien Bahn is needed, but not for travel. Our daughter traveled to europe when she was less then a month old. There are neither ID's nor Passports issued at this age. Travel without his mother is not possible.

What year was this?

[TerryLH]

"Your son will be put in same Thabien Bahn as his mother (unless he own a house) , we did this at the Tessabahn not the Amphur."

Your son will be put in the blue book for where he lives, normally the same as the mother. The blue book has nothing to do with ownership.

[swissbie]

Thank you very much!

Maybe one more question please if you would not mind:

How can our son travel abroad without ID card or passport?

Thank you. Regards, Tobias

You will have to translate and verify the birth certificate of your son at your embassy. A registration in the Tabien Bahn is needed, but not for travel. Our daughter traveled to europe when she was less then a month old. There are neither ID's nor Passports issued at this age. Travel without his mother is not possible.

What year was this?

1995

[TKI]

just to reassure:

our son could traval alone with his dad - if we'd wish to - no matter what age, even without his mum, given that mum and dad are married, but he needs a passport for this, which can be issued at any age and signed with his fingerprint.

is this correct?

[stoneyboy]

"Your son will be put in same Thabien Bahn as his mother (unless he own a house) , we did this at the Tessabahn not the Amphur."

Your son will be put in the blue book for where he lives, normally the same as the mother. The blue book has nothing to do with ownership.

Nonsense he won't necessarily be placed on the blue book where he lives.

My daughter was on her grandmothers and not at our place of residence.

[khunPer]

just to reassure:

our son could traval alone with his dad - if we'd wish to - no matter what age, even without his mum, given that mum and dad are married, but he needs a passport for this, which can be issued at any age and signed with his fingerprint.

is this correct?

I'm not sure you can count on that with a Thai passport and a baby child – even he got same family name as dad. There has been posts about cases where mom, or a written statement (? not sure what), has been needed at Immigration. When I recently traveled alone with my now 10 year old daughter, we took mom to airport, just in case; however we had no problem leaving the Kingdom...

[brewsterbudgen]

Thank you very much!

Maybe one more question please if you would not mind:

How can our son travel abroad without ID card or passport?

Thank you. Regards, Tobias

You will have to translate and verify the birth certificate of your son at your embassy. A registration in the Tabien Bahn is needed, but not for travel. Our daughter traveled to europe when she was less then a month old. There are neither ID's nor Passports issued at this age. Travel without his mother is not possible.

What year was this?

1995

I believe now that for air travel a passport is required for any age.

[cocopops]

Just a quick question, did you give your boy a German name? Was this a problem with the Amphoe office?

I've been told that the first name has to be Thai, anyone know?

My Falang/Thai kid has the same first name as a former King of England. AFAIK there are no issues with this. Whatever name you choose, be sure to get the Thai spelling right!

[rocketboybkk]

Asked you wife or gf as she is Thai

Don't ask random people you don't know

If you want to announce the birth of your son then announce it

Don't play games

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[Blackheart]

I have a strange feeling today if you attend the amphure to get your forms that they will know what to give.

Just a feeling

[lemonjelly]

Just a quick question, did you give your boy a German name? Was this a problem with the Amphoe office?

I've been told that the first name has to be Thai, anyone know?

My Falang/Thai kid has the same first name as a former King of England. AFAIK there are no issues with this. Whatever name you choose, be sure to get the Thai spelling right!

George ?

[lassebasse]

I have read all the above posts but cannot see any info if you are legally married here in Thailand. If you are NOT legally married your name will not appear on the Birth Certificate until you apply to the Ampoe to be recognized as the father.

Regarding airflights they will accept a birthcertificate on domestic flights and for international flights you will of course need to get the child a passport. On the Thai passport there will be a tumbprint and on the german passport nothing.

If your child has your family name and travels alone with the mother it would be a good idea to bring the birthcertificate for your wife to prove that she is a legal guardian.

[TKI]

@khunPer and @Iassebasse:

Thank you very much for your constructive post and the efforts you took in contributing useful information. and, yes, we are legally married in Thailand.

@lemonjelly:

"George" or any other name will work, just make sure - as cocopops mentioned already - to get the Thai Spelling right. As far as i know there are no oficially established rules which would assign to each Latin letter a Thai Script counterpart. So it is all about sound. Just speak clearly and make the people who will traduce understand correctly how you want the name to sound. Then they should write this down in Thai Script. Maybe consult various different people. Later let other people read out loud what they wrote down for you to reassure you that the sounding of the Thai Script name of your child is exactly how you want it. This is only a humble advice based on my experience.

@rocketboybkk:

Who did ask for your opinion?

Are the rest of your more than 1,200 posts of similar value?

Did you become SuperMember by this way? Quantity instead of quality?

Unfortunately i do not speak or read Thai, neither does my wife. So it is better to ask people with experience in the same situation than to rely completely and only on our provincial upcountry Amphur employees who proved in other occasions we lived with them to be arbitrary, corrupt and degrading towards us, as my wife is of Burmanese descent, i am "only a farang" and we both do not know anything.

So i am very happy for all the helpful posts and thank the members very much for them.

[brewsterbudgen]

I have read all the above posts but cannot see any info if you are legally married here in Thailand. If you are NOT legally married your name will not appear on the Birth Certificate until you apply to the Ampoe to be recognized as the father.

Regarding airflights they will accept a birthcertificate on domestic flights and for international flights you will of course need to get the child a passport. On the Thai passport there will be a tumbprint and on the german passport nothing.

If your child has your family name and travels alone with the mother it would be a good idea to bring the birthcertificate for your wife to prove that she is a legal guardian.

Your name can go on the Thai birth certificate, whether or not you are married. However until you marry or go through the legal process you have no parental rights in Thailand.

[rocketboybkk]

Op, I believe you ask for opinions on this matter.

Have you a memory issue?

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[TKI]

no, i asked for constructive information, not for useless comments

and thanks to the more reasonable and mentally maturer members of this thread we have many good and helpful information

[rocketboybkk]

You do indeed old chum, you do indeed

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[Bantex]

The birth certificate we have already.

2. will we get a certification of nationality? Do we get it automatically or do we have to ask for it, and if yes what is the Thai name for it?

The child's nationality will be on the birth certificate.

Get it translated and you will see what information has been provided.