Britain's Royal Navy warships are breaking down because sea is too hot

[neverdie]

It's good to see the POMMIES don't just embarass themselves in Thailand, they can do it anywhere.

They use to be s force to be reakoned with.....now they're just expensive flotsam !

Small golf clap for the Brits.

[NumbNut]

quote: "Navy going down hill"------ don't understand how you do that bit

Well, the surface of the oceans is not flat. There are some 100 m "holes" or depressions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoid

Hence the term 'Mean Sea Level' taking into account the tides

These are gravity holes and hills. Where there is a dense rock mass under the seabed this extra gravity pull will create a "hill" on the ocean surface.

Sorry for going off topic here, but that's very Interesting... must be why they have specialist gravity guys on some seismic surveys where these types of seabed conditions exist.

Good to learn something everyday, cheers for that Expat!

[dick dasterdly]

Just British ships? Corruption, no doubt, is involved somewhere in the manufacturing process. Or could it just be akin to the wrong kind of leaves excuse?

On reading the headline, that was my first thought - but I think it was the wrong kind of snow rather than leaves. Leaves were always a good excuse, without needing to be the 'wrong kind' .

[halloween]

now, what is it in a ship that cannot handle the temperature of the seawater ? Would be nice to know TV.

Power outages were mentioned.... I would suspect that there are increased issues maintaining a cool internal climate, which uses more power, (quality equipment needs to be in a cool environment), leading to overloaded power demands and subsequent shutdowns.

Amongst other things (that others in the known, might suggest.... Any engineers?)

Increased gennie load for aircon would seem to be a minor factor. More likely to be that generator cooling not up to the job.

Main factors for cooler performance are surface area for heat exchange (hard to change), temperature differential (the warmer sea water just isn't removing enough heat), throughput of coolant volume (pumping more coolant through should remove more heat, but energy expensive) and marine growth reducing heat transfer (in warm waters occurs more rapidly).

The remedies would seem to be:

*ripping the coolers out and replacing them with larger or more efficient units and/or

* getting cooler sea water by lowering intake depth and/or

* increasing pump capacity to raise throughflow and/or

* higher dosing of chlorine or other anti-fouling measures.

[slipperylobster]

For their fondness of warm beer ....

This should not present much of a problem for troop morale.

[ExpatOilWorker]

quote: "Navy going down hill"------ don't understand how you do that bit

Well, the surface of the oceans is not flat. There are some 100 m "holes" or depressions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoid

Hence the term 'Mean Sea Level' taking into account the tides

These are gravity holes and hills. Where there is a dense rock mass under the seabed this extra gravity pull will create a "hill" on the ocean surface.

Sorry for going off topic here, but that's very Interesting... must be why they have specialist gravity guys on some seismic surveys where these types of seabed conditions exist.

Good to learn something everyday, cheers for that Expat!

Now you want to hear my theory, why the North pole is warming faster than the South pole?

Well, maybe not. It was a hard sell in a previous thread about the climate change.

On a more serious note, it is interesting that less dense part of the Earths crust create "holes" or depressions in the ocean surface, due to the lag of gravity pull.

Edited June 11, 2016 by ExpatOilWorker

[RKASA]

The UK had better not take their "Not Quite Ready For Combat" ships to the middle east then.Who is building their ships for them ? Thailand ? A first world country with a third world navy and going down hill.

quote: "Navy going down hill"------ don't understand how you do that bit

Cross the equator going South? That is the route to down under.

[NowImEasy]

Stop buying Chinese trading partners crap, HEY now you have a Muslim mayor you can buy cheap Russian technology.

I BET all the countries the UK COLONIZED IN HISTORY wish that would of happen 200 years ago, TEACH UK, and FRENCH to slice up the OTTOMAN Empire after WWI.

I am sure the US could have colonized a few places 200 years ago if they hadn't have been so busy using ships for slaves, masterminding the genocide of the indigenous people and then fighting amongst themselves. Still they seem to be making up for lost time now.

Seems this case will have to go to court as it looks like liability all hinges on the definition of "The operating profile at the time was that there would not be repeated or continuous operations in the Gulf"

Al, You are a di..head. You take the opportunity to bash the US, when the topic was British ships. Your anti-American diatribe was straight from the garbage taught at American universities.

Edited June 13, 2016 by NowImEasy

[neverdie]

now, what is it in a ship that cannot handle the temperature of the seawater ? Would be nice to know TV.

Power outages were mentioned.... I would suspect that there are increased issues maintaining a cool internal climate, which uses more power, (quality equipment needs to be in a cool environment), leading to overloaded power demands and subsequent shutdowns.

Amongst other things (that others in the known, might suggest.... Any engineers?)

Increased gennie load for aircon would seem to be a minor factor. More likely to be that generator cooling not up to the job.

Main factors for cooler performance are surface area for heat exchange (hard to change), temperature differential (the warmer sea water just isn't removing enough heat), throughput of coolant volume (pumping more coolant through should remove more heat, but energy expensive) and marine growth reducing heat transfer (in warm waters occurs more rapidly).

The remedies would seem to be:

*ripping the coolers out and replacing them with larger or more efficient units and/or

* getting cooler sea water by lowering intake depth and/or

* increasing pump capacity to raise throughflow and/or

* higher dosing of chlorine or other anti-fouling measures.

Sounds like the Brits need to put a teaspoon of cement in their next cuppa and harden the fruckk up.

These guys are starting to make the French look tough. 5555555

[colinneil]

I hope it is not just American posters making fun of the Royal Navy.

Yes the M.O.D. and Bae systems buggered things up, spending 850 million on warships not up to the job.

Hello remember a few months ago, when the Yanks were having problems with their littorial ships???

Years ago sailors just had to put up with things. Now everything is heath and safety, and the best creature comforts.

Must have hot showers/ aircon/ hot food, in fact better conditions than they would have at home.

Wasting cooling systems etc for comfort and not the efficient operation of the ship.

Edited June 14, 2016 by colinneil

[Caps]

What do you expect when you send a "blue water" navy to the Red Sea?

Whats colour got to do with it

[AYJAYDEE]

the builder claims they arent being operated as promised? lol. what a surprise.

[Caps]

the builder claims they arent being operated as promised? lol. what a surprise.

Who is the builder, UK or Foreign ?

[OMGImInPattaya]

Should have bought American

[Caps]

Should have bought American

Nope, plenty others to choose from

Edited June 14, 2016 by Caps

[AYJAYDEE]

the builder claims they arent being operated as promised? lol. what a surprise.

Who is the builder, UK or Foreign ?

BAE

[Caps]

the builder claims they arent being operated as promised? lol. what a surprise.

Who is the builder, UK or Foreign ?

BAE

Whoops lol

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk whilst drinking a cold beer

[OMGImInPattaya]

Should have bought American...our warships don't seize-up when put in water

[tomwct]

The Truth is the maintenance money for these ships goes to the EU in Taxes! The money will eventually get to Comrade Merkel, so she can start the New EU Army! Comrade Merkel has said Germany will supply the New EU Army with all the Cooks. Britain can supply all the combat troops. So Vote Yes to BREXIT for the survival of Great Britain.

[colinneil]

the builder claims they arent being operated as promised? lol. what a surprise.

Who is the builder, UK or Foreign ?

If you read my last post, you would have seen the builders were BAE systems. UK.

[colinneil]

Should have bought American...our warships don't seize-up when put in water

You state that US warships dont seize up when put in water, WHY????

That is a false statement, please check your facts, your first littorial ship did something very similar when it was launched.

USS Freedom lcs 1 to be exact.

Edited June 14, 2016 by colinneil

[Caps]

the builder claims they arent being operated as promised? lol. what a surprise.

Who is the builder, UK or Foreign ?

If you read my last post, you would have seen the builders were BAE systems. UK.

Yep I would have done missed it

[Caps]

Should have bought American...our warships don't seize-up when put in water

You state that US warships dont seize up when put in water, WHY????

That is a false statement, please check your facts, your first littorial ship did something very similar when it was launched.

USS Freedom lcs 1 to be exact.

Its far easier to try and be-little something and talk rubbish than look for actual facts

Edited June 14, 2016 by Caps

[Caps]

The Truth is the maintenance money for these ships goes to the EU in Taxes! The money will eventually get to Comrade Merkel, so she can start the

New EU Army! Comrade Merkel has said Germany will supply the New EU Army with all the Cooks. Britain can supply all the combat troops. So Vote Yes

to BREXIT for the survival of Great Britain.

Thought we were talking about the Navy

German military food (Army) was disgusting back in the nineties

[OMGImInPattaya]

Should have bought American...our warships don't seize-up when put in water

You state that US warships dont seize up when put in water, WHY????

That is a false statement, please check your facts, your first littorial ship did something very similar when it was launched.

USS Freedom lcs 1 to be exact.

Its far easier to try and be-little something and talk rubbish than look for actual facts

I'll bet on the US Navy against any other you want to put up against it ?

[AYJAYDEE]

Should have bought American...our warships don't seize-up when put in water

You state that US warships dont seize up when put in water, WHY????

That is a false statement, please check your facts, your first littorial ship did something very similar when it was launched.

USS Freedom lcs 1 to be exact.

Its far easier to try and be-little something and talk rubbish than look for actual facts

I'll bet on the US Navy against any other you want to put up against it ?

lol! grade school??

[Caps]

Should have bought American...our warships don't seize-up when put in water

You state that US warships dont seize up when put in water, WHY????

That is a false statement, please check your facts, your first littorial ship did something very similar when it was launched.

USS Freedom lcs 1 to be exact.

Its far easier to try and be-little something and talk rubbish than look for actual facts

I'll bet on the US Navy against any other you want to put up against it ?

Good for you

[Caps]

Should have bought American...our warships don't seize-up when put in water

Maybe not, but!

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politics/u-s-navy-littoral-combat-ship-problems/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12050630/Americas-newest-battleship-breaks-down-at-sea-after-20-days.html

http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2016/01/21/singapore-another-us-navy-lcs-sidelined-machinery-problems/79143208/

Edited June 14, 2016 by Caps

[Credo]

Talk about a thread that is bringing the worst out in people. It's obvious that the engineers and those responsible for the design did not take the warm water conditions into consideration. It's a technical problem. It will be remedied in short order. It has nothing to do with with the Brits being better or worse than anybody else.

[halloween]

Should have bought American...our warships don't seize-up when put in water

You state that US warships dont seize up when put in water, WHY????

That is a false statement, please check your facts, your first littorial ship did something very similar when it was launched.

USS Freedom lcs 1 to be exact.

Its far easier to try and be-little something and talk rubbish than look for actual facts

I'll bet on the US Navy against any other you want to put up against it ?

I guess we'll have to wait until the US declares war against us, or at least a police action invasion. Shouldn't take long, they seem to be working their way through the list of nations.