Many lives lost in Orlando nightclub shooting

[Fookhaht]

[jaidam]

He screamed Alah Akbar ... while shooting up a Gay Bar ... Islamist terrorism 100 percent.

at the recent German subway station incident, the muslim gunman was screaming allah akbar and other islamic phrases, but we were told from the forum left and MSM that it had nothing to do with islam and he was just mentally ill. How different? Obamas speech was a disgrace failing to connect this murder with the ideology that caused it. So hateful.

[shirtless]

Islam has no place in the west, 50 dead 50 wounded,

[MajarTheLion]

No, he shouldn't have had that automatic weapon. Yeez you guys never learn

Automatic weapon? That's the first I heard about it. Source?

[Lukecan]

According to one witness, he stormed in the nightclub with an automatic rifle and shouted " NO NEEED TO BE A FAGGOT ALLAHU EKBER" and proceeded to fire the rounds at random people.

Sad. Very sad.

[Lukecan]

On a seperate note, me and my friend got beat up in the most secular part of Ankara yesterday for drinking in public during ramadan. Some black mercedes stopped, 2 guys stopped and got out of the car and beat the hell out of my friend, luckily I managed to run away.

Islam has no place in the modern world, this is coming from a guy which Islam writes on his ID as religion.

I identify myself as a mild muslim, and support Trump fully. I hope he becomes the president and cleans this mess.

Edited June 12, 2016 by Lukecan

[jaidam]

What next, it would be even crazier if this guy was a "security guard", particularly in light of recent discussions on this forum. So it was reported that there was an armed guard at Pulse. Am i putting 1 + 1 together correctly by assuming this strict muslim was a licensed security guard? Are there more like him working daily at airports? Has PC crippled any and all vetting processes?

[OMGImInPattaya]

Uh oh.... apparently an Islamic cleric who has flat out declared homosexuals should be put to death spoke at an Islamic center in the Orlando area just two months ago.

Coincidence????????

It will be interesting to see how the muslim appologists spin this one (are you listening Hillary?).

Also, interesting to note that Clinton's closest aide and confidant, Huma Abedin, is muslim.

[B1TcoinLife]

It's already covered by the major news sources.

I guess Trump carries Florida

And their is 5 months to go

Americans have a choice now closed the broader or more killing

This guy was born and raised murican.... Closing borders would have no effect on him and many like him so are already there ...

[OMGImInPattaya]

Uh oh.... apparently an Islamic cleric who has flat out declared homosexuals should be put to death spoke at an Islamic center in the Orlando area just two months ago.

Coincidence????????

Obviously went to the same Islamic seminary where they teach budding imams which sizes of sticks and whips are acceptable to use when beating one's wife.

https://youtu.be/cUOd2Co1M0U

[OMGImInPattaya]

It's already covered by the major news sources.

I guess Trump carries Florida

And their is 5 months to go

Americans have a choice now closed the broader or more killing

This guy was born and raised murican.... Closing borders would have no effect on him and many like him so are already there ...

He wouldn't have been born there if his muslim parents hadn't been allowed to immigrate from Afghanistan. Like Europe, I admit allot of the damage has already been done...but like smoking, it's never too late to stop and do the right thing to try and prevent future attocities.

[2fishin2]

On a seperate note, me and my friend got beat up in the most secular part of Ankara yesterday for drinking in public during ramadan. Some black mercedes stopped, 2 guys stopped and got out of the car and beat the hell out of my friend, luckily I managed to run away.

Islam has no place in the modern world, this is coming from a guy which Islam writes on his ID as religion.

I identify myself as a mild muslim, and support Trump fully. I hope he becomes the president and cleans this mess.

Sorry but, could you have done something a little more stupid?

[2fishin2]

Uh oh.... apparently an Islamic cleric who has flat out declared homosexuals should be put to death spoke at an Islamic center in the Orlando area just two months ago.

Coincidence????????

It will be interesting to see how the muslim appologists spin this one (are you listening Hillary?).

Also, interesting to note that Clinton's closest aide and confidant, Huma Abedin, is muslim.

Lets wait and let the professionals figure this out. Lots of opinions being thrown out right now. This IS NOT a simple Islamic terrorist attack.

[Thechook]

No, he shouldn't have had that automatic weapon. Yeez you guys never learn

Automatic weapon? That's the first I heard about it. Source?

guess you haven't been listening.

[neverdie]

On a seperate note, me and my friend got beat up in the most secular part of Ankara yesterday for drinking in public during ramadan. Some black mercedes stopped, 2 guys stopped and got out of the car and beat the hell out of my friend, luckily I managed to run away.

Islam has no place in the modern world, this is coming from a guy which Islam writes on his ID as religion.

I identify myself as a mild muslim, and support Trump fully. I hope he becomes the president and cleans this mess.

Sorry but, could you have done something a little more stupid?

Lukespecialises in putting himself in situations like this.

Tell me, what's a 'mild muslim' ?

Is it like ordering your basil chicken meal, not too spicy 555555?

[neverdie]

No, he shouldn't have had that automatic weapon. Yeez you guys never learn

Automatic weapon? That's the first I heard about it. Source?

guess you haven't been listening.

Again and again and again.

Isn't that a sign of madness, doing the same thing over and ove and expecting a different result.

[Steely Dan]

It's impossible to prevent all such incidents. Even the Israelis in Tel Aviv far from the "front" can't do that. But expect the USA to become even more of a security state at many more public spaces after this incident ...

That's sad.

The terrorists do kind of win every time they make free countries less free.

They will continue to 'win' so long as efforts are made to obfuscate their ideology. This nettle needs to be grasped, sure the draconian measures needed will upset liberal sensitivities, but fifty innocent dead people should surely trump that (no pun intended).

[slipperylobster]

This is an odd one for the gun lobbyists . Not a single person there had a gun ?

It is likely a gun free place. Just one armed person could have made a big difference. The last one in Kalifornia was a gun free place.

No, he shouldn't have had that automatic weapon. Yeez you guys never learn

This was an illegal weapon..of course. Please tell me how a gun law would stop a terrorist from getting an illegal weapon.

[slipperylobster]

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims #PrayforOrlando

Don't pray, stop selling guns

This gun was not bought at a store.

A bomb would of been used even so?

Having a ban on guns is not going To stop these events.

[JLCrab]

• The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said Mr. Mateen had legally bought both weapons used in the attack, a handgun and a long gun, in Florida within the last week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-shooting-what-we-know-and-dont-know.html

[Mosha]

When I saw this on BBC's FB page yesterday, one of the 1st comments was from a muslim asking why it was not being called a terrorist attack. His assumption being it was a right wing christian but job. Well he got his wish, it is being called a terrorist attack. I see another attack was averted in LA.

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[boomerangutang]

Excerpt from NPR story on the Orlando mass murder (biggest non-combat mass-murder in US history)......

"According to a search of public records, Mateen is 29 years old and listed as living in Port St. Lucie, Fl. The search shows that Mateen had a firearm license and he received a security officer license in both 2011 and 2013. The search did not turn up any criminal record."

source

Boomer's comment; The above quote proves that gun lovers are wrong when they say only good guys will be legally carrying guns, if gun laws continue to be as loose as the elastic on gym shorts in the trash can. The mass murderer in today's shooting was officially a good guy up until the moment he started shooting. He had a security guard license and was carrying licensed guns. It proves that gun insanity continues in the USA. Guns should be banned for anyone not in law enforcement or military while in uniform on the job. Also exception for gun ranges, and some exceptions for hunting - though I and many others think hunting with guns is immoral and should eventually be banned also.

If the shooter was stopped at the door by a guard in an open-carry or concealed-carry state, he would have been let in, probably with a grin and friendly pat on the back. Is that insanity or what?! All gun lovers in the US should quietly take their guns to a patch of soil, dig a 4' deep trench and bury them, including ammo.

[slipperylobster]

So...if the store was not there, then all the bad guys would not have guns.

Interesting theory

[neverdie]

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims #PrayforOrlando

Don't pray, stop selling guns

This gun was not bought at a store.

A bomb would of been used even so?

Having a ban on guns is not going To stop these events.

This has proven itself to be correct.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

In the domestic front, these weapons serve no purpose whatsoever.

They should be held by the military and police only. End of.

[boomerangutang]

• The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said Mr. Mateen had legally bought both weapons used in the attack, a handgun and a long gun, in Florida within the last week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-shooting-what-we-know-and-dont-know.html

Sorry to be repetitive, but it proves that gun laws are useless when trying to avert gun violence. Ban guns in the US, and shootings will go down 50%.

[slipperylobster]

Excerpt from NPR story on the Orlando mass murder (biggest non-combat mass-murder in US history)......

"According to a search of public records, Mateen is 29 years old and listed as living in Port St. Lucie, Fl. The search shows that Mateen had a firearm license and he received a security officer license in both 2011 and 2013. The search did not turn up any criminal record."

source

Boomer's comment; The above quote proves that gun lovers are wrong when they say only good guys will be legally carrying guns, if gun laws continue to be as loose as the elastic on gym shorts in the trash can. The mass murderer in today's shooting was officially a good guy up until the moment he started shooting. He had a security guard license and was carrying licensed guns. It proves that gun insanity continues in the USA. Guns should be banned for anyone not in law enforcement or military while in uniform on the job. Also exception for gun ranges, and some exceptions for hunting - though I and many others think hunting with guns is immoral and should eventually be banned also.

If the shooter was stopped at the door by a guard in an open-carry or concealed-carry state, he would have been let in, probably with a grin and friendly pat on the back. Is that insanity or what?! All gun lovers in the US should quietly take their guns to a patch of soil, dig a 4' deep trench and bury them, including ammo.

Ouch. So all the good guys turn in their weapons and all the bad guys just give up their bad behavior, call 911

Sounds crazy enough to work. How did that work out for the French?

[neverdie]

So...if the store was not there, then all the bad guys would not have guns.

Interesting theory

In this situation, this grub could legally buy a weapon that serves no purpose inside a domestic civilisation. When it comes to lovers, work collegues and neighbours people shouldn't have these weapons at home.

It is a fact though, that criminals and nasties in society don't shop at the local gun store (or sometimes do) but these weapons are traded on the black market and criminals already have them.

Remove these types of heavy artillery, auto and semi weapons of "mass destruction" from the community and let law enforcement officials remove them from the criminals.

There's plenty of other guns for the nut jobs to amuse themselves with, however if and when and there will always be the case some tool cuts lose with a gun, let it be a gun with restricted firing ability, at least give unarmed civilians some chance to flee.

These fully automatic weapons of war really stack the odds into the hands of these evil humans.

Having said that, freaks like this extremist will always find a way to kill.

Either which way you flip it, it's another sad day for the USA. No one can counter that argument and I also personally believe there MUST be a better way.

I use to say, civil war is coming to a street near you soon...........I believe the war is well underway and the authorities are u likely to stop it.

[thai3]

Coverage on Fox now.

Not on BBC or Aljazeera.

It's surely coming.

A major international news event especially if the Islamic terrorism connection pans out.

Heard a deluded commentator on the BBC today saying we don't know yet it might be a Christian extremist, or somebody mentally ill. Right, baptists and Quakers are well known for this kind of attack on innocent people. Of course it's Islamic again, and again and again, stop making excuses for it.

That is deluded in this case but there have been violent attacks on gay spaces in the USA in the past by people motivated by Christian fundamentalism. No, nothing approaching THIS historic attack. Obviously not.

well we can relax, Obama still thinks Islam is a religion of peace, your president is a disgrace and thank god the fool only has six months left to embarrass the country

[Andaman Al]

As someone who lives in Paris I can certainly understand how people of Orlando and more generally American people feel right now and I offer my warmest sympathy. Seems that no place is immune from these insane extremists.

I sincerely hope that the American people will be smart enough to see through the shameless exploitation Donald Trump is going to make of this.

Really compared to what? The white house has already come out and said their thoughts and prayers are with family...thats all they will ever say! nothing ever done..

Because the people and the NRA do not want the White House to do anything!

On a seperate note, me and my friend got beat up in the most secular part of Ankara yesterday for drinking in public during ramadan. Some black mercedes stopped, 2 guys stopped and got out of the car and beat the hell out of my friend, luckily I managed to run away.

Islam has no place in the modern world, this is coming from a guy which Islam writes on his ID as religion.

I identify myself as a mild muslim, and support Trump fully. I hope he becomes the president and cleans this mess.

So you didn't get beat up but your 'friend' did, and you ran away! Is he still your friend?, it would be surprising. As for anyone drinking in public in a Muslim country during Ramadan then that is just a stupid thing to do. For a self confessed 'mild Muslim' (what is one of those) then it borders upon the ridiculous. If you are not following the 'holy month' of Ramadan, you are not Muslim, not even mildly, dispensations for fasting are for specific cases only and if you are aware and asking for a dispensation then drinking in public is simply mental. So to sum up, running away while your friend gets beat up - loser, drinking in public in a Muslim country during Ramadan when you are a Muslim - Mental.

[MajarTheLion]

This guy was born and raised murican.... Closing borders would have no effect on him and many like him so are already there ...

Interesting logic. Since this guy was American, let's keep letting these people into the country. And let's make sure and forbid DHS workers from vetting them. Yes, this is the sort of political brilliance that has made Donald Trump so popular.

Frankly, I don't think he's gone far enough. We should shut down all immigration until we can figure out just how disastrous Bushbama immigrations policies and lack of vetting need to be fixed.