Non-O (Marriage) - Expiry vs Reporting Date

[timbothaivisa]

I have a non-O (M) issued for marriage on June 1, 2015, with an 'Enter Before' date on June 2, 2016.

I did an online 90 day report recently which is valid until July 21, 2016.

I plan to leave the country for a few weeks at the end of June.

Is it already too late to apply for an annual visa extension?

[elviajero]

• If you have a multiple entry visa you don't need to make 90 day reports.

You can apply for s 1 year extension of stay on, or within 30 (maybe 45) days before, the last day of your current permission to stay. That is the 'admitted until' date stamped in your passport.

[timbothaivisa]

If you have a multiple entry visa you don't need to make 90 day reports.

Wow that comes as a shock - so I've been going through the motions for the past year for no reason? I'd have thought one of the officials would have picked up on that, or at least that the online reporting site would throw up a complaint?

I'm not disputing your knowledge, but where could I find some documentation explaining the difference between the 90 day and the M visa in this regard?

[elviajero]

If you have a multiple entry visa you don't need to make 90 day reports.

Wow that comes as a shock - so I've been going through the motions for the past year for no reason? I'd have thought one of the officials would have picked up on that, or at least that the online reporting site would throw up a complaint?

I'm not disputing your knowledge, but where could I find some documentation explaining the difference between the 90 day and the M visa in this regard?

You only need to report if staying longer than 90 days. Your visa only allows you to stay for a maximum of 90 days, therefore, a report is never required as you leave the country before it's due.

Here is a link to the Immigration Website: Notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days

[stoneyboy]

If you haven't been departing and re entering Thailand every 90 days for the last year on a non O multiple entry visa you are in essence on a long overstay.

Your visa has now expired and your situation is rather serious if I read correctly.

Unless you have a Non O-A which gave you a one year stay.

[timbothaivisa]

You only need to report if staying longer than 90 days. Your visa only allows you to stay for a maximum of 90 days, therefore, a report is never required as you leave the country before it's due.

But I haven't left since October last year, and my entry stamp is valid until August this year - confused!

[stoneyboy]

Post a picture of your visa and blank out any personal details.

That will clarify the situation instantly.

[timbothaivisa]

If you haven't been departing and re entering Thailand every 90 days for the last year on a non O multiple entry visa you are in essence on a long overstay.

Your visa has now expired and your situation is rather serious if I read correctly.

Unless you have a Non O-A which gave you a one year stay.

I did my first 90 day report at Lad Prao in January, and there was no mention of overstay, just the paper telling me to report again in 90 days, which I did online in April, and was issued a receipt valid (as stated in the OP) until July.

[stoneyboy]

What date did you Enter Thailand ?

And what is the date admitted until stamped then ?

[timbothaivisa]

Fill ya boots

[Maestro]

1. What exactly does it say on your visa in the field "Category"?

2. What exactly does it say on your latest arrival stamp in the fields "ADMITTED" and "UNTIL"?

Your answers to these questions are essential for people to give you helpful advice here.

[timbothaivisa]

1. What exactly does it say on your visa in the field "Category"?

2. What exactly does it say on your latest arrival stamp in the fields "ADMITTED" and "UNTIL"?

Your answers to these questions are essential for people to give you helpful advice here.

As I said earlier, the stamp on my departure card (acquired in October 2015) says "admitted until 31 Aug 2016"

[stoneyboy]

Ok so from your picture you have a multi entry non immigrant O visa which has now expired and you are on overstay if you say you haven't left Thailand since October.

Unless of course you have obtained a one year extension of stay by meeting the financial requirements.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news if you haven't done the extension your currently on overstay irrespective of the admitted until stamp of August 31.

[Maestro]

What does the visa expiration date mean?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

[timbothaivisa]

Ok so from your picture you have a multi entry non immigrant O visa which has now expired and you are on overstay if you say you haven't left Thailand since October.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

As I keep saying, I have an entry stamp from October which says "Admitted until Aug 31 2016".

I also have receipts from 2 90 day reports, the latest of which says that my next report is on July 21.

Something doesn't add up...

[elviajero]

1. What exactly does it say on your visa in the field "Category"?

2. What exactly does it say on your latest arrival stamp in the fields "ADMITTED" and "UNTIL"?

Your answers to these questions are essential for people to give you helpful advice here.

As I said earlier, the stamp on my departure card (acquired in October 2015) says "admitted until 31 Aug 2016"

• You have a non 'O' visa and the maximum stay allowed is 90 days.
• If you were admitted until August 31st it was a mistake.
• You are now on overstay, facing a 20K baht fine and a ban for at least 1 year (5 years if you are arrested and prosecuted).
• Although the IO made the mistake it is your responsibility to check you were given the correct permission to stay. Whether immigration will 'let you off' will depend on the person you deal with.

[stoneyboy]

Get yourself down to immigration tomorrow and rectify the situation.

[Maestro]

As I said earlier, the stamp on my departure card (acquired in October 2015) says "admitted until 31 Aug 2016"

Wrong answer.

Please type the information exactly, letter by letter, as it appears on the mentioned fields

1. on the visa and

2. on the last arrival stamp in your passport, ie the stamp placed on a page of you passport, nor the departure card.

Complete answers to both questions are required.

[timbothaivisa]

• You have a non 'O' visa and the maximum stay allowed is 90 days.
• If you were admitted until August 31st it was a mistake.
• You are now on overstay, facing a 20K baht fine and a ban for at least 1 year (5 years if you are arrested and prosecuted).
• Although the IO made the mistake it is your responsibility to check you were given the correct permission to stay. Whether immigration will 'let you off' will depend on the person you deal with.

What kind of visa do you use for 90 day reports if it's not an 'O'?

So a mistake was made when I entered Thailand, and they gave me a stamp until August.

Then when I reported at Lad Prao, there was a consecutive mistake - despite the official checking my details thoroughly

Then when I reported online, there was a similar 3rd mistake

Did I just fly through a series of nets intended to uphold the immigration policy of a sovereign state without even realising what was happening?

[timbothaivisa]

As I said earlier, the stamp on my departure card (acquired in October 2015) says "admitted until 31 Aug 2016"

Wrong answer.

Please type the information exactly, letter by letter, as it appears on the mentioned fields

1. on the visa and

2. on the last arrival stamp in your passport, ie the stamp placed on a page of you passport, nor the departure card.

Complete answers to both questions are required.

1. I can only assume you are referring to the photo I posted above - it says 'O' under category

2. the last arrival stamp is exactly the same as the one on my departure card - Admitted Until says "31 AUG 2016"

[timbothaivisa]

Just spoke with the wife, who remembers the immigration official at Cheang Watanna saying to us that I needed to return there every 90 days. This is when we were returning to collect all the paperwork after the first application for extension of stay.

So all 3 immigration officials got it wrong?

[Maestro]

Thank you. I was reading the forum on a tabled and did not see your photo there. Moved to the laptop now and there I get the photo. This answers the first question and leaves the first part of the second question unanswered.

The arrival stamp has two dates on it, on separate lines:

ADMITTED [date]

UNTIL [date]

On your last arrival stamp, what date is stamped after the word "ADMITTED"

[timbothaivisa]

Thank you. I was reading the forum on a tabled and did not see your photo there. Moved to the laptop now and there I get the photo. This answers the first question and leaves the first part of the second question unanswered.

The arrival stamp has two dates on it, on separate lines:

ADMITTED [date]

UNTIL [date]

On your last arrival stamp, what date is stamped after the word "ADMITTED"

ADMITTED - 31 OCT 2015

UNTIL - 31 AUG 2016

by the way, my most recent extension of stay stamp also says "31 AUG 2016"

[Maestro]

Just spoke with the wife, who remembers the immigration official at Cheang Watanna saying to us that I needed to return there every 90 days. This is when we were returning to collect all the paperwork after the first application for extension of stay.

So all 3 immigration officials got it wrong?

I see that you went to the immigration office to collect "the paperwork after the first application for extension of stay"

1. Did you subsequently submit the application for extension?
2. Was your application approved? if yes, until what date was your permission to stay extented?

And please stop talking about the date on the departure card. It is the dates in your passport that are important here.

[elviajero]

• You have a non 'O' visa and the maximum stay allowed is 90 days.
• If you were admitted until August 31st it was a mistake.
• You are now on overstay, facing a 20K baht fine and a ban for at least 1 year (5 years if you are arrested and prosecuted).
• Although the IO made the mistake it is your responsibility to check you were given the correct permission to stay. Whether immigration will 'let you off' will depend on the person you deal with.

What kind of visa do you use for 90 day reports if it's not an 'O'?

So a mistake was made when I entered Thailand, and they gave me a stamp until August.

Then when I reported at Lad Prao, there was a consecutive mistake - despite the official checking my details thoroughly

Then when I reported online, there was a similar 3rd mistake

Did I just fly through a series of nets intended to uphold the immigration policy of a sovereign state without even realising what was happening?

• You need to report if you have any permission to stay longer than 90 days. e.g. A non ''O-A' visa entry or a 1 year extension of stay.
• Entry stamp mistakes happen often.
• 90 day reporting doesnt have anything to do with your permission to stay so it's feasible that the error wasn't picked up.

[Maestro]

OK, your arrival date and your "by by way" regarding your extension of stay has cleared up the puzzle. No mistakes were made by immigration.

[elviajero]

Just spoke with the wife, who remembers the immigration official at Cheang Watanna saying to us that I needed to return there every 90 days. This is when we were returning to collect all the paperwork after the first application for extension of stay.

So all 3 immigration officials got it wrong?

• If you have an extension of stay issued a CW then your visa is not relevant!

Do you have a stamp in your passport from CW saying Extension of Stay?

[timbothaivisa]

I see that you went to the immigration office to collect "the paperwork after the first application for extension of stay"

1. Did you subsequently submit the application for extension?
2. Was your application approved? if yes, until what date was your permission to stay extented?

And please stop talking about the date on the departure card. It is the dates in your passport that are important here.

1. yes, my comment above was about instructions received from the official when receiving the extension after submission

2. extension was granted on 23 SEP 2015, with a "stay permitted up to" of 31 AUG 2016

3. I am not talking about my departure card, I am telling you it is the same, because I am looking at it! Would you like a photo if it is so unbelievable?

starting to feel like this is a "Four Candles" sketch....

[stoneyboy]

To much obfuscation on the part of the OP.

You only had to say you had an extension of stay about an hour ago.

You've had your fun time to close this one I would say.

[timbothaivisa]

lol - I did put "Marriage" in the title of the thread, not realising it wouldn't be clear that this implied an extension of stay

So let's start again...

1 - If I now exit the country after my visa "Enter Before" date has passed, will I need to get a new visa before I return?

2 - What happens when the extension of stay passes? Can I get a further extension without a new visa?