Thai Police commander orders all officers thoroughly read draft charter

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Police commander orders all officers thoroughly read draft charter

BANGKOK, 21 June 2016 (NNT) – The commander of the Royal Thai Police has ordered all police officers to thoroughly study the draft constitution’s sections on police affairs to safeguard against misunderstandings while affirming he will take action against those opposing the coming public referendum on the draft.

Royal Thai Police Commander Pol Gen Chakthip Chaijinda chaired a seminar on legislation pertaining to the public referendum on the draft charter this year. The meeting was attended by over 2,000 police officers from across the country and also featured a speech by Constitution Drafting Committee President Meechai Ruchuphan on “Important Content of the Thai Constitution”.

Pol Gen Chakthip instructed all police present at the seminar to carefully read all sections relevant to police in the draft charter to protect themselves against ill-intentioned individuals that may seek to create misunderstandings.

On the closure of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship’s (UDD) anti-corruption center, the commander remarked the center was likely only set up to obstruct one political side and could be considered illegal.


-- NNT 2016-06-21

[Winniedapu]

"The commander of the Royal Thai Police has ordered all police officers to thoroughly study the draft constitution’s sections on police affairs"

Good luck with that.

Where's the quick buck in reading something? Will reading a hopeless draft constitution magically make them competent?

Winnie

[Snig27]

"This is a piece of paper designed to ensure that your 'tea-money' will forever be protected"

[BigBadGeordie]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

[robblok]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Opposing a referendum is anti democratic. (the referendum that is)

Its not the same as opposing the new constitution .. see the difference ?

[tukkytuktuk]

Read and weep, 20 more years of the men in green. Hang on, hasn't it always been that way.

Read and weep, 20 more years of the same.

[LostTourist]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Puyai's, Orbortor's and the like, get paid by a political party to ensure their community votes for them, not the opposition party.

That's Thai democracy in action, Thai style.

The Military throwing out the rubbish every few years is just another part of the recycling process of their version of democracy.

[BigBadGeordie]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Opposing a referendum is anti democratic. (the referendum that is)

Its not the same as opposing the new constitution .. see the difference ?

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[chainarong]

One would hope that the police officers wipe their butts with the draft charter , for grown men to be talked down to on what they can and cannot say or do, is so over the fence, that it isn't worth a crank...................................... .

[BigBadGeordie]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Opposing a referendum is anti democratic. (the referendum that is)

Its not the same as opposing the new constitution .. see the difference ?

So opposing a referendum produced without public participation is anti democratic?

[robblok]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Opposing a referendum is anti democratic. (the referendum that is)

Its not the same as opposing the new constitution .. see the difference ?

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Indeed.. next time think before you post. But I was happy to point out the difference.

[robblok]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Opposing a referendum is anti democratic. (the referendum that is)

Its not the same as opposing the new constitution .. see the difference ?

So opposing a referendum produced without public participation is anti democratic?

A referendum is a vote.. it gives people the freedom to vote yes or no. To oppose it is anti democratic.

[BigBadGeordie]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Opposing a referendum is anti democratic. (the referendum that is)

Its not the same as opposing the new constitution .. see the difference ?

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Indeed.. next time think before you post. But I was happy to point out the difference.

Thank you Oh wise one I bow to your superior intellect and inbiased opinion.

[BigBadGeordie]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Opposing a referendum is anti democratic. (the referendum that is)

Its not the same as opposing the new constitution .. see the difference ?

So opposing a referendum produced without public participation is anti democratic?

A referendum is a vote.. it gives people the freedom to vote yes or no. To oppose it is anti democratic.

I think you fail to understsnd democracy, for it is more than the ability to vote. By using you definition North Korea is a Democracy. They get to vote there!

[Snig27]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Opposing a referendum is anti democratic. (the referendum that is)

Its not the same as opposing the new constitution .. see the difference ?

So opposing a referendum produced without public participation is anti democratic?

A referendum is a vote.. it gives people the freedom to vote yes or no. To oppose it is anti democratic.

Only if such a referendum is able to be freely and openly discussed without fear of retribution. If it is not, it's just an enforced rubber stamp and is no more democratic than the 'elections' in places like Zimbabwe. Has such free and open discussion been allowed? If so I've missed it.

[robblok]

Only if such a referendum is able to be freely and openly discussed without fear of retribution. If it is not, it's just an enforced rubber stamp and is no more democratic than the 'elections' in places like Zimbabwe. Has such free and open discussion been allowed? If so I've missed it.

You mean that people have to study the draft themselves and cant be brainwashed by the PTP to vote against it ? I always thought it was not done to tell people how to vote.

We will see what happens, people always can say no.. no law has been made to prohibit people from voting no. They still have a free choice, or did i miss something ?

[robblok]

fail to understsnd democracy, for it is more than the ability to vote. By using you definition North Korea is a Democracy. They get to vote there!

That is not a free vote.. they get killed if they vote no, here they can vote no if they like.

But i agree democracy is so much more as just voting, but this vote is democratic, because nobody is holding a gun against their head if they vote no.

[Winniedapu]

fail to understsnd democracy, for it is more than the ability to vote. By using you definition North Korea is a Democracy. They get to vote there!

That is not a free vote.. they get killed if they vote no, here they can vote no if they like.

But i agree democracy is so much more as just voting, but this vote is democratic, because nobody is holding a gun against their head if they vote no.

Reminds me of the court which tried Nicolae Ceaușescu

The sentence is death, You can appeal of course, that is the law, but the sentence will be carried out immediately.

Not that I'm suggesting Dumpy and Grumpy should share a similar fate... no no no. Not for a minute.

Winnie

[Winniedapu]

Only if such a referendum is able to be freely and openly discussed without fear of retribution. If it is not, it's just an enforced rubber stamp and is no more democratic than the 'elections' in places like Zimbabwe. Has such free and open discussion been allowed? If so I've missed it.

You mean that people have to study the draft themselves and cant be brainwashed by the PTP to vote against it ? I always thought it was not done to tell people how to vote.

We will see what happens, people always can say no.. no law has been made to prohibit people from voting no. They still have a free choice, or did i miss something ?

This is not a ver sensible comment, The only people who are known to have undertaken a propaganda campaign in Thailand are the Thai landed barons on behalf of someone else. I can talk about that because I know about that. PTP? No. The PTP got support because of the traditional state of the balance of power and wealth in Thailand, which pre-existed the PTP by quite a long while.

I'm afraid the 'but but but Thaksin...' nonsense is just as much attempted propaganda and brainwashing as the other I refer to, despite what the entertainment industry girlfriends whisper at pillow time.

Winnie

[cornishcarlos]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

Opposing a referendum is anti democratic. (the referendum that is)

Its not the same as opposing the new constitution .. see the difference ?

So opposing a referendum produced without public participation is anti democratic?

Public participation ? That would be a referendum, no !

So they should have had a referendum to see if the public wanted a referendum...

I'm confused !

[Hayduke]

Read? Couldn't they just watch the video?

[mikebell]

Is there anything in the draft that remotely suggests the police might like to get off their <deleted> and do their job without demanding money?

[elgordo38]

"He will take action against those opposing the coming referendum".

A free vote, democracy in action, Thai style.

he will take action against those opposing the coming public referendum on the draft. Even their freedom is gone.

[Srikcir]

the commander remarked the center was likely only set up to obstruct one political side and could be considered illegal.

So now the RTP has become political? The center was going to present one political side. But it would not have obstructed any other political (including military) side from presenting their side, ie, at their own site. But the military has made any political opposition illegal - contrary to the freedom of expression provided by NCPO's own Provisional Charter.

Instead of worrying about political messages, the RTP should concern itself with enforcing the Organic Laws of the nation. It remains to be seen by the courts whether UDD's centers were illegal. But when the NCPO says "jump," its surrogate the RTP are happy to obey.

[Winniedapu]

the commander remarked the center was likely only set up to obstruct one political side and could be considered illegal.

So now the RTP has become political? The center was going to present one political side. But it would not have obstructed any other political (including military) side from presenting their side, ie, at their own site. But the military has made any political opposition illegal - contrary to the freedom of expression provided by NCPO's own Provisional Charter.

Instead of worrying about political messages, the RTP should concern itself with enforcing the Organic Laws of the nation. It remains to be seen by the courts whether UDD's centers were illegal. But when the NCPO says "jump," its surrogate the RTP are happy to obey.

And it's only going to get worse, the closer the day comes. And it will become unbelievably bad if they get the whiff of defeat and start to hear the sound of the tumbrils... By comparison, these will seem like days of reason...

Winnie

[DTRACKER300]

What if they can't speak read

[dhream]

Ive seen a secret preview of the referenda tranalated it Reads:

Do you approve of the draft constitution number... To be advised. Please choose only one of the options.

Option 1. YES. Option 2. YES.

apparently this innovative ballot paper will save anyone from voting NO in error. Jeez they think of everything!

[Snig27]

Only if such a referendum is able to be freely and openly discussed without fear of retribution. If it is not, it's just an enforced rubber stamp and is no more democratic than the 'elections' in places like Zimbabwe. Has such free and open discussion been allowed? If so I've missed it.

You mean that people have to study the draft themselves and cant be brainwashed by the PTP to vote against it ? I always thought it was not done to tell people how to vote.

We will see what happens, people always can say no.. no law has been made to prohibit people from voting no. They still have a free choice, or did i miss something ?

Brainwashed? That's an incredibly arrogant and racist statement. Most Thai people I encounter have active brains and are able discern what is put is put in front of them. The old "Thais only voted PTP because they were 'brainwashed' or 'paid'" argument has been so thoroughly dismantled by academic research (and simple common sense) that I'm amazed that some still sink to making it. Or did I miss something?

Glad to see there is at least one person who still thinks this is a fair and open vote. Bless.

[Caveat Emptor]

And the screw just keeps tightening.

[Winniedapu]

Only if such a referendum is able to be freely and openly discussed without fear of retribution. If it is not, it's just an enforced rubber stamp and is no more democratic than the 'elections' in places like Zimbabwe. Has such free and open discussion been allowed? If so I've missed it.

You mean that people have to study the draft themselves and cant be brainwashed by the PTP to vote against it ? I always thought it was not done to tell people how to vote.

We will see what happens, people always can say no.. no law has been made to prohibit people from voting no. They still have a free choice, or did i miss something ?

Brainwashed? That's an incredibly arrogant and racist statement. Most Thai people I encounter have active brains and are able discern what is put is put in front of them. The old "Thais only voted PTP because they were 'brainwashed' or 'paid'" argument has been so thoroughly dismantled by academic research (and simple common sense) that I'm amazed that some still sink to making it. Or did I miss something?

Glad to see there is at least one person who still thinks this is a fair and open vote. Bless.

Apologies in advance for the long post. Switch off now if you already know it all or don't want to be levered out of your comfort zone. Or if you hate Thaksin and/or the UDD and that's important to you. Everyone has the right to their comfort zone, every dog needs a home.

You're right Snig, and most of these muppets don't know sh|t from clay or night from day. I reply thusly, not because it is exactly on-topic, but because I noted the exasperation in your reply to what must have seemed a very stupid post, but which was probably wasnt stupid in the context of the poster,.

It's a common fallacy to think that in order to be brainwashed (or more properly said these days 'propagandised'), you have to be stupid, but you don't, though it often helps. There are a lot of intelligent people who are thoroughly propagandised, but it's these people who require more subtlety than the average Somchai in order to propagandize. Same level of ease, just slightly different techniques.

We have essentially 2 parts of the brain (it's more complex than that, but it's helpful for now to think about 2). The 'front' brain (the cortex, the big crinkly thing at the front) is what we use to reason with. This draws on memories and experiences stored in the 'back brain' which can be considered to be responsible for automatic functions and behaviours. Our belief systems develop throughout our lives, though it is broadly easier to influence the development of beliefs if the subject is a child since this is when the belief systems initially develop most quickly as a necessary part of our development (usually based, not on our own experience, but on what trusted people tell us). If there is a conflict between the non-rational back mind and the rational front mind, then with immediate responses, the back mind will generally win, though we're usually not aware of what happens in there.

Propagandising people. especially easy if they are not very bright or have a poor education. All you have to do is bombard them with the messages you want them to adopt (often implicit reinforced by explicit), and keep it up until they are accepted. If you can appeal to other already developed belief systems, like religion,or culture, then it will generally speed up the job. That was the killer factor in the case of Thais - buddhism and related irrational beliefs, and Sakdina.

Thais are without a doubt the most propagandised people I have even encountered, and this is not accidental, it has been a systematic and cynical exercise over decades, which got really serious with the help of the USA when it got kicked out of Vietnam and wanted to retain a foothold in SE Asia so it could fight the entirely paranoid and fictitious 'communist menace'. It had, however, already been successful with the imposition of Sakdina and religious falsehoods, so the much-maligned septic tanks had a fertile plot in which to plant their imperialist and pernicious seeds.

The development of beliefs continues throughout our lives, often by considering what people tell us whom we trust, or want something from. It's a cliche but at least partly true, that as Europeans, we are vulnerable to what the people whom we choose to trust (often young, beautiful women who are prepared to slake our lust, for money or other privileges) tell us. We trust them, partly instinctively, while our minds are in unconscious or instinctive mode (for example when preparing for seduction or sex), partly supported consciously because we think we'll get laid faster or better or for longer if the other party thinks we share beliefs or opinions. Both modes are dangerous to independent thought and rational processes "brains not balls" should be the cry but often isn't.

It's a complex thing, nobody really understands how the mind works, but I can tell you it is fairly easy to install beliefs or false memories to support beliefs. I used to do this professionally.

So when someone comes along that appears to be braindumping their irrational beliefs at you, without much thought, and if it is usually the same tired old thing, then it is likely they're not thinking with the front brain, they're likely just spewing out the contents of what they've been told to believe and haven't had the intellect or technique (or often, the will) to resist.

We see it here on TV every day, you'll be able to recall several instances I have no doubt.

Sorry for the unasked-for long post, but the behaviour of people is often puzzling, and the above might assist when sorting out the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. The above is also drastically simplified, and is therefore vulnerable to the 'ah, but, you're wrong because I read Wiki or someone told me' brigade, but that's a risk I took, knowing that the muppets will seize on any opportunity to look smart, no matter that they're usually only demonstrating how not smart they are.

Apologies in advance.

Winnie