So what did the Brexit supporters gain?

[MissAndry]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Theresa May has ruled out a radical switch to an immigration system that would strip EU citizens of their preferential access to the UK, in comments expected to inflame Brexit supporters.

https://www.ft.com/content/593c1450-7300-11e6-b60a-de4532d5ea35

 

I'm a Brexit supporter and it hasn't inflamed me.

[AlexRich]

1 minute ago, MissAndry said:

 

I'm a Brexit supporter and it hasn't inflamed me.

 

You are also an immigrant (in Thailand), so it might not be that important to you. But for others it will be an issue ... especially the one's who seemed to think everyone would be packing their bags and going home. 

[Khun Han]

11 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

For a laugh, please update us on what you think will happen? The UK will get unfettered access to the EU, passport rights ... everything that we want plus we will have restrictions on free movement and pay nothing? 

 

You are dreaming ... the EU will do whatever it can to take business from the UK and give it as little as possible in return ... because it cannot afford to do anything that would encourage other countries to also cherry pick what they want. Do you think that German manufacturers only do business with the UK? Dream on.

 

 

The EU will do what Germany tells it to do. Your attempts to play down the huge German export markets to the UK exemplify your ridiculously one-sided position in these debates. Other EU countries have always cherry picked which rules they will adhere to and just dealt with the consquenses of breaking ones they don't like. Britain, with it's quaint sense of fair play, is the only country that consistently plays by the rules.

[sandyf]

9 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

 

I'm a Brexit supporter and it hasn't inflamed me.

Perfectly correct, there was never any specific policy so nothing to take issue with.

[Khun Han]

7 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

You are also an immigrant (in Thailand), so it might not be that important to you. But for others it will be an issue ... especially the one's who seemed to think everyone would be packing their bags and going home. 

 

More hysteria from Alex. There are no mass calls for repatriation. People just want controlled immigration.

[MissAndry]

16 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

You are also an immigrant (in Thailand), so it might not be that important to you. But for others it will be an issue ... especially the one's who seemed to think everyone would be packing their bags and going home. 

 

I'm English, and I have no intention of changing my nationality, therefore not an immigrant.

I have a flat (my home) in Queensway, right by Kensington Gardens and it isn't for sale.

Holidaymaker ........ visitor ........ in a month or two I'll be back in the Pi, I'm not an immigrant there either.

Edited September 5, 2016 by MissAndry

[AlexRich]

16 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

The EU will do what Germany tells it to do. Your attempts to play down the huge German export markets to the UK exemplify your ridiculously one-sided position in these debates. Other EU countries have always cherry picked which rules they will adhere to and just dealt with the consquenses of breaking ones they don't like. Britain, with it's quaint sense of fair play, is the only country that consistently plays by the rules.

 

As I said, dream on ... you fail to recognise the desire to keep the EU intact outweighs any trade considerations ... which are not as significant as you have been told by the 'leave' campaigners ... France, for example, can't wait to poach business from the UK. Time is not your friend.

[SgtRock]

27 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Do you think that £150m is significant? I don't. Compared to the amount of investment that has come from Japan ... not to mention the additional business enjoyed by satellite local companies that serve their needs. 

 

Also, check out City AM today ... Lloyds of London insurance market indicating that they will quit the City if they are not given guarantees about access to the European market.

 

You can argue any point you like with one Japanese car firm, but you are missing the point ... being that we may well see an avalanche of businesses doing the same thing around the country. I wonder how many companies considering setting up a branch in Europe are thinking about the UK? A couple of years ago we would have been on the top of their list, but that has changed. 

 

You can't replace these businesses easily and the economic impact will be significant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It matters not a jot whether I think a £150 Million sweetener is significant or not. The fact of the matter is that it was paid for Nissan to set up in Sunderland. My point being, that in my eyes that is akin to bribery and corruption. Yes, we all know that it goes on in various forms, that does not make it correct.

 

Lloyds of London can stamp their little feet as much as they want seeking demands. Perhaps it is time that a few home truths were delivered and some business's are given an ultimatum. Dig in for the UK or PUFO. Financial services are not high on my priority list for receiving preferential treatment.

 

There is absolutely no point in arguing anything about any business, Japanese or otherwise that may or may not leave the UK, because while they are still in the UK the argument is stupid. They might leave, they might not. Lets flip the coin, the companies that are currently being hounded by the EU on tax deals, how many of them might jump to the UK ? All speculation that means nothing.

 

Here is an idea. Every foreign Company that received State Aid to set up in the UK, slap them with a derisory, compulsory purchase order should they leave the UK. That will rattle a few cages. 

 

The UK should not be looking to replace these foreign Companies, the question really should be, why are they in the UK and not a British Company ? We do not need to go into dramatics about sell offs and everything else that goes with that, that is in the past and the UK needs to look to the future.

[SgtRock]

43 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

For a laugh, please update us on what you think will happen? The UK will get unfettered access to the EU, passport rights ... everything that we want plus we will have restrictions on free movement and pay nothing? 

 

For what it is worth.

 

The trade off will be that the UK will have access to the single market and will have controlled immigration.

 

That controlled immigration will be in the form of work visa's

 

For this the UK will pay a reduced EU membership fee. 

Edited September 5, 2016 by SgtRock

[AlexRich]

16 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

More hysteria from Alex. There are no mass calls for repatriation. People just want controlled immigration.

 

A guest on Question Time, Russell Kane I think his name, a comedian from Essex. He was on the TV show after the vote ... he voted to Remain but told the story of about all of his relatives in Essex ... very happy that the Europeans would be going home! They actually believed that! You go to some of these places or watch the vox pops of people who voted to leave ... they think that. I did laugh.

[SgtRock]

29 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

especially the one's who seemed to think everyone would be packing their bags and going home.

 

You just blew it for me.

 

Yesterday you accused me of trying to put words in your mouth.

 

Now show me a SINGLE post where anyone has called for people to pack their bags and go home, regarding Brexit.

[SgtRock]

3 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Russell Kane I think his name, a comedian from Essex.

 

Those Essex boys are world renowned for their intellectual capacity 

[SgtRock]

53 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You really need to get your facts right before sounding off. Tariffs would be a result of WTO access and nothing to do with the EU.

 

" One scenario much discussed by free traders within the Brexit ranks, as well as those who want a clean break with the rules of the EU, is known as World Trade Organisation access. "

 

Brexit and the WTO option: Key questions about a looming challenge

https://www.ft.com/content/5741129a-4510-11e6-b22f-79eb4891c97d

 

It is you who needs to get their facts straight.

 

WTO rules will only come into play if the UK - EU cannot come to an agreement regarding trade deals, whether those trade deals carry tariffs or not.

[AlexRich]

6 minutes ago, SgtRock said:

 

It matters not a jot whether I think a £150 Million sweetener is significant or not. The fact of the matter is that it was paid for Nissan to set up in Sunderland. My point being, that in my eyes that is akin to bribery and corruption. Yes, we all know that it goes on in various forms, that does not make it correct.

 

Lloyds of London can stamp their little feet as much as they want seeking demands. Perhaps it is time that a few home truths were delivered and some business's are given an ultimatum. Dig in for the UK or PUFO. Financial services are not high on my priority list for receiving preferential treatment.

 

There is absolutely no point in arguing anything about any business, Japanese or otherwise that may or may not leave the UK, because while they are still in the UK the argument is stupid. They might leave, they might not. Lets flip the coin, the companies that are currently being hounded by the EU on tax deals, how many of them might jump to the UK ? All speculation that means nothing.

 

Here is an idea. Every foreign Company that received State Aid to set up in the UK, slap them with a derisory, compulsory purchase order should they leave the UK. That will rattle a few cages. 

 

The UK should not be looking to replace these foreign Companies, the question really should be, why are they in the UK and not a British Company ? We do not need to go into dramatics about sell offs and everything else that goes with that, that is in the past and the UK needs to look to the future.

 

Slap them with a compulsory purchase order? Are you serious? Do you think that we are Venezuela? Although, having said that ... we might be if the Leave leaders get a grip on the country.

 

You are upset because it looks like foreign companies and those affected are going to vote with their feet if they don't get a good deal with the EU. Perhaps that is not what you expected? A poor Brexit deal is a disaster for inward investment ... and a good Brexit deal will only be had with significant compromise.

 

Speculation? The Japanese document served on the UK Government is just a bit of speculative opinion? Or journalist interviews with CEO's and the head of Lloyds is just speculation? I think they are a little bit more than that, don't you? Maybe they are like the £350m per week injection to the NHS... in Ian Duncan Smith's words, "possibilities". 

 

 

 

[AlexRich]

23 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

 

I'm English, and I have no intention of changing my nationality, therefore not an immigrant.

I have a flat (my home) in Queensway, right by Kensington Gardens and it isn't for sale.

Holidaymaker ........ visitor ........ in a month or two I'll be back in the Pi, I'm not an immigrant there either.

 

I'm sure there are quite a few Romanian gypsies in London with houses at home in Romania. What do we call them ... tourists? You're no different here.

 

 

[SgtRock]

Let us see if the experts get it correct this week

 

Quote

A raft of data published this week will offer the latest health check on the state of the UK economy following June’s vote to leave the EU, with economists expecting the figures to suggest businesses were so far “proving resilient”.

 

Quote

“People will be looking very closely to see if there is a bounce back in confidence,as we saw in last week’s PMI survey for manufacturing, and it would not be surprising if there is,” he said. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/05/latest-post-brexit-data-looks-to-dispel-doom-and-gloom-fears

 

I have said it before and I will say it again. The current decline in the £ was very little to do with the Brexit vote, which was nothing more than a smokescreen for currency speculators to make a killing.

[MissAndry]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

 

I'm sure there are quite a few Romanian gypsies in London with houses at home in Romania. What do we call them ... tourists? You're no different here.

 

 

 

So you don't know the difference between a,

Migrant - works in a foreign country

Immigrant - seeking nationality in a foreign country

Tourist - spending money and having a good time in a foreign country

[AlexRich]

12 minutes ago, SgtRock said:

 

You just blew it for me.

 

Yesterday you accused me of trying to put words in your mouth.

 

Now show me a SINGLE post where anyone has called for people to pack their bags and go home, regarding Brexit.

 

Did I say a post? I'm referring to those interviewed on the TV at home. Another strawman? You really need to stop making things up!

 

 

[AlexRich]

2 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

 

So you don't know the difference between a,

Migrant - works in a foreign country

Immigrant - seeking nationality in a foreign country

Tourist - spending money and having a good time in a foreign country

 

Thai's see you as a foreigner. You're no different to our Romanian interlopers. 

[MissAndry]

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Thai's see you as a foreigner. You're no different to our Romanian interlopers. 

 

Do Romanians spend a lot of 'home earned' money in the UK?

But keep digging.

Edited September 5, 2016 by MissAndry

[SgtRock]

3 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Slap them with a compulsory purchase order? Are you serious? Do you think that we are Venezuela? Although, having said that ... we might be if the Leave leaders get a grip on the country.

 

You are upset because it looks like foreign companies and those affected are going to vote with their feet if they don't get a good deal with the EU. Perhaps that is not what you expected? A poor Brexit deal is a disaster for inward investment ... and a good Brexit deal will only be had with significant compromise.

 

Speculation? The Japanese document served on the UK Government is just a bit of speculative opinion? Or journalist interviews with CEO's and the head of Lloyds is just speculation? I think they are a little bit more than that, don't you? Maybe they are like the £350m per week injection to the NHS... in Ian Duncan Smith's words, "possibilities". 

 

 

 

 

So where is your dilemma ? if the UK is heading in the direction of Venezuela, then why not. This is one of the UK major problems, they get shafted at every turn, so why not shaft back.

 

I am not upset about anything and certainly not over foreign companies in the UK. Personally I could not give a monkeys. No Company has left yet, so there is nothing to get upset about. I will draw your attention to HSBC who went to HK to see about moving there from the UK, didnt work out too well for them.

 

I have already made my thoughts very clear on the Japanese Governments document. I have made my thoughts clear on Lloyds. At his juncture in time, it is all speculation, because no-one knows what the outcome of Brexit will be, although I have already highlighted what I think it will be, and if my thoughts are correct then nothing much will actually happen. Other than the UK paying a reduced fee to the EU and having controlled immigration through a system of work visa's.

 

So, as I said. EVERYTHING at this point is nothing but speculation, which will remain nothing but speculation until the UK / EU formally sign whatever documents need to be signed that will allow the whole world to actually function, because currently it cannot because of the Brexit referendum.

 

Tiny Island causing worldwide chaos, funny that, innit 

[AlexRich]

5 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

 

Do Romanians spend a lot of 'home earned' money in the UK?

But keep digging.

 

I don't doubt it. Do you think they'd all be more welcome if they did? 

 

[SgtRock]

11 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Did I say a post? I'm referring to those interviewed on the TV at home. Another strawman? You really need to stop making things up!

 

 

 

That is a top post. You just confirmed my suspicions, there are some things that you cannot hide, even using an alter ego.

 

Welcome to my ignore list.

[lostinisaan]

On 8/18/2016 at 1:35 PM, sandyf said:

I would agree on your first 2 points but not the 3rd, I believe that it was in the US interest for the UK to leave the UK. Mr Obama knew exactly what he was doing when he said the UK would go to the back of the queue, that it would get right up the nose of the UK population.

The US have a vested interest in manipulating the EU and the task becomes a lot easier if the UK is no longer involved. Post Brexit the UK will be so desperate for a trade deal with the US you never know what they will agree to.

Once Turkey's role in the leave campaign was over, they were also removed from the equation, or are we to believe that was pure coincidence. The US were never going to be happy with a Muslim country in the EU.

 

The one thing that I fail to understand is that why with a referendum of such significance, David Cameron allowed it to be held without a minimum margin. This borderline result will haunt the UK for years to come.

 

 

    A real nightmare to have a country like Turkey in the European community. Once you drive over the Bosporus, you're in Asia. But almost 2.5 million of them are already living there and you can find whole communities in cities like Berlin, similar to Chinatown, where a lot of them don't speak one German word. 

 

 But wait, the all knew what Sozialhilfe ( social help) means plenty of them receive money for kids who don't even exist.

 

       A youngish Turkish guy told me about 2 years before I went to Thailand that all German women would be bitchhes, while only the Turkish women would be good women.

 

       And already having such a huge financial problem like the Turks, there's really no need to take on any migrants.  

 

         The rich guys have know how to bypass the high taxes while the little man has to pay fr all the insanity.

 

           I'm afraid that most Americans don't even know where Turkey is. Too many Escheks in Germany. 

[AlexRich]

I am happy to be on your ignore list. I'm not happy with someone who tries to put words in my mouth, and makes things up for self-serving reasons. 

[MissAndry]

3 minutes ago, SgtRock said:

 

That is a top post. You just confirmed my suspicions, there are some things that you cannot hide, even using an alter ego.

 

Welcome to my ignore list.

I think you're right.

[AlexRich]

3 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

I think you're right.

 

There's a surprise. I thought you were made of sterner stuff Miss A, than to throw your toys out the pram like BuzzLightyear, aka the good Sgt.

[Khun Han]

46 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

As I said, dream on ... you fail to recognise the desire to keep the EU intact outweighs any trade considerations ... which are not as significant as you have been told by the 'leave' campaigners ... France, for example, can't wait to poach business from the UK. Time is not your friend.

 

Isn't pure speculation a great debating tool?

[Khun Han]

44 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

A guest on Question Time, Russell Kane I think his name, a comedian from Essex. He was on the TV show after the vote ... he voted to Remain but told the story of about all of his relatives in Essex ... very happy that the Europeans would be going home! They actually believed that! You go to some of these places or watch the vox pops of people who voted to leave ... they think that. I did laugh.

 

Anecdote: another crushing debating weapon.

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

 

Isn't pure speculation a great debating tool?

 

It seems to work for you. The only evidence you've served up is how well the economy is doing after the vote ... i.e. how well the UK is doing as part of the EU. The case for remain. 

 

But, back to speculation. Where the Japanese speculating? Is the CEO of Lloyds of London speculating? When Ryan Air and WPP say they will invest less in the UK, are they speculating? I don't think so ... they are giving clear indications of action should the exit terms fail to offer them what they have today.