Australian lawyer gives new hope to Burmese men convicted of the Koh Tao murders

[Moonsterk]

^^ They can show the judges that photo shopped nose of Nom Sod CSI LA pasted on a CCTV screen grab of "running man" (The convicted Wai Phyo)

One Thai guy in California with a personal vendetta directed the initial investigation with one picture and hundreds of thousands of followers who then disseminated it to a million- how a rumour became baked into fact..

Koh-tao'd. That's why Panya got scrubbed, he let social media derail his investigation.

Orig CCTV screen grab- far too blurry to discern any features;

The photo shopped pasting of Nom Sod's nose;

And the finished pic with a now discernable, ski -sloped nose which was spread to millions of viewers;

And convicted Wai Phyo at arrest;

Edited June 27, 2016 by Moonsterk

[Bkk Brian]

The posters here who believe they know who the real perpetrators are could be of great assistance if either or both families were to file their own charges.

The Witheridge family may have their own ideas. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/sister-of-murdered-tourist-says-corrupt-police-make-thailand-a-dangerous-trap

As a side note, the Norfolk police family liaison officers for the Witheridge family have just received an award for their work, which included advising Laura to remove the post.

[Moonsterk]

The posters here who believe they know who the real perpetrators are could be of great assistance if either or both families were to file their own charges.

The Witheridge family may have their own ideas. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/sister-of-murdered-tourist-says-corrupt-police-make-thailand-a-dangerous-trap

As a side note, the Norfolk police family liaison officers for the Witheridge family have just received an award for their work, which included advising Laura to remove the post.

The Family? That article quotes Laura Witheridge only. Just because Laura may have view justice was not served, not not make it so. My sympathies to Laura, but her involvement is so emotionally charged and distraught, it's almost absurd to use her opinion as any kind of evidence against the conviction.

Who can blame her- she's had the Queens of Misinformation spoon feeding her the " serial murderer loose on Koh Tao..." BS

She's been reading Thailand Justice and Andrew Drummond, both with severely controlled discourse.

She had a horrible experience with Thai police and photgraphers.

She had a horrible experience having her sister murdered in a most terrible manner.

[Moonsterk]

^

Not so much "got at", just exposed to propaganda and not having it countered in any meaningful way because the FB pages and web sites dedicated to this subject are completely censoring any kind of discourse that does not promote the agenda.

You are certainly entitled to dismiss my opinions of Yarwoods complaint as mumbo jumbo however I have not yet begun dissected them. It is of interest Yarwood admits to not having access to any of the documents he is complaining about- it's all hearsay and no doubt from the very same sites and pages mentioned as completely shutting down the discourse.

I write for the interested reader who has not made up their mind.

[IslandLover]

Moonsterk, on 26 Jun 2016 - 06:24, said:

But it is not established as such just because a publicity seeking property lawyer in Perth who furthermore and further and more ever, and finally further again... says so.

So where are all these damning claims in the appeal the defense submitted?

Undoubtedly. And the judges too, as if they will ever read it- all would know a publicity seeking nobody when they see one.

More ammo for the FB and fake news site misinformation campaigns but void of any real substance as far as getting the appeal considered.

Saliva on Witheridge is an interesting point, was that from Mr Miller I wonder and thus irrelevant to either side which is why neither side used it?

Or...it's been postulated Mr Wai Phyo is a biter, which is why the damage to the face was done- to cover up those marks. Defense certainly would not want saliva from their client to be disclosed, and prosecution already had seminal DNA so perhaps the saliva just got put aside.

Somebody on the defense side outta really shut Yarwood up-he's got a can 'o worms in one hand and an opener in the other. (Lots of little birds about...)

Or...it's been postulated Mr Wai Phyo is a biter, which is why the damage to the face was done- to cover up those marks. Defense certainly would not want saliva from their client to be disclosed, and prosecution already had seminal DNA so perhaps the saliva just got put aside.

For the undecided reader, poster "Moonsterk" is trying to link Wai Phyo to the ethnic violence which took place in Rakhine State in 2012 and goes as far as to say he murdered someone there in a later post. The accusation is totally false. Where is your proof, Moonsterk?

[Jai Dee]

One potentially libelous post has been removed from this thread.

[boomerangutang]

The 3 Running Man videos are 3 that Mon must sorely regret he didn't get to first, in order to trash them. Mon was able to trash dozens of videos during those hectic hours after the crime, but he somehow wasn't able to get to the Running Man videos in time. Where did they hail from? Certainly not from one of the businesses on that strip of beach which Mon controls.

It's clear, the unadulterated videos show Nomsod. I'm disappointed the defense didn't focus more on the implications of RM footage. They were probably self-restrained by the fact that neither RTP nor the court wanted in-depth discernment of them, because they didn't want it proven - who it would point to.

Among other things, the height and the gait/odd mannerisms of Running Man doesn't remotely match either of the two scapegoats. Nomsod is taller and also shares the gait/mannerisms of Running Man. It is he.

[Moonsterk]

Moonsterk, on 26 Jun 2016 - 06:24, said:

But it is not established as such just because a publicity seeking property lawyer in Perth who furthermore and further and more ever, and finally further again... says so.

So where are all these damning claims in the appeal the defense submitted?

Undoubtedly. And the judges too, as if they will ever read it- all would know a publicity seeking nobody when they see one.

More ammo for the FB and fake news site misinformation campaigns but void of any real substance as far as getting the appeal considered.

Saliva on Witheridge is an interesting point, was that from Mr Miller I wonder and thus irrelevant to either side which is why neither side used it?

Or...it's been postulated Mr Wai Phyo is a biter, which is why the damage to the face was done- to cover up those marks. Defense certainly would not want saliva from their client to be disclosed, and prosecution already had seminal DNA so perhaps the saliva just got put aside.

Somebody on the defense side outta really shut Yarwood up-he's got a can 'o worms in one hand and an opener in the other. (Lots of little birds about...)

Or...it's been postulated Mr Wai Phyo is a biter, which is why the damage to the face was done- to cover up those marks. Defense certainly would not want saliva from their client to be disclosed, and prosecution already had seminal DNA so perhaps the saliva just got put aside.

For the undecided reader, poster "Moonsterk" is trying to link Wai Phyo to the ethnic violence which took place in Rakhine State in 2012 and goes as far as to say he murdered someone there in a later post. The accusation is totally false. Where is your proof, Moonsterk?

Phyo linked to ethnic violence? Never wrote that.

I believe a similarly disfiguring murder of a young woman in Rahkine, 2012 was used by Myanmar officials to begin a campaign of ethnic cleansing. (Al Jazeerah has a great documentary on that subject- I will not post links as I have been informed it is not allowed- but it is all easily googled)

It was pertinent to Yarwood's remarks about saliva allegedly not being tested- or rather perhaps those results not presented by either defense or prosecution- the biting aspects I mean.

Defense not wanting - (or directed?) to open that can of worms, and prosecution feeling the seminal DNA was sufficient evidence- which it was.

Would you wish to discuss, perhaps deeper political maneuverings into why no one wants a murder in 2012, that was used to validate ethnic cleansing to be looked at in a closer manner? Incidentally the men, who were Muslim, but not Rohingya were convicted in 20 days and sentenced to death- one committed suicide awaiting his fate.

The young woman was cremated- no looking at her wounds any further. Lots and lots of controversy regarding the village "doctor " who performed the post mortem examinations.

As for the convicted, why were top Myanmar Embassy officials escorting a couple of lower caste parents of murderers around? Why the interest in this case?

Seems many posters here feel Myanmar are " set up" all the time for uncommitted crimes, yet the Myanmar govt never cared... before this case.

Isn't it possible the real conspiracy remains almost completely untouched upon?

[Moonsterk]

The 3 Running Man videos are 3 that Mon must sorely regret he didn't get to first, in order to trash them. Mon was able to trash dozens of videos during those hectic hours after the crime, but he somehow wasn't able to get to the Running Man videos in time. Where did they hail from? Certainly not from one of the businesses on that strip of beach which Mon controls.

It's clear, the unadulterated videos show Nomsod. I'm disappointed the defense didn't focus more on the implications of RM footage. They were probably self-restrained by the fact that neither RTP nor the court wanted in-depth discernment of them, because they didn't want it proven - who it would point to.

Among other things, the height and the gait/odd mannerisms of Running Man doesn't remotely match either of the two scapegoats. Nomsod is taller and also shares the gait/mannerisms of Running Man. It is he.

And here we have a post using a discredited source to make a claim about the identity of " Running man" through gait analysis and making a completely fabricated claim Montriwat " scrubbed" CCTV images ( but not the one that shows Nom Sod, allegedly.)

Here's a dissection of the claim, beginning with the man who made it being unqualified to do so.

https://web.facebook.com/BlindJusticeKohTao/photos/a.194966990855020.1073741830.193656064319446/195649144120138/?type=3&theater

It's clear, the unadulterated videos show Nomsod.

Clear to you, but not to me. Not at all from unaltered screen grab;

In fact those long curling sideburns which are really the only discernible feature look just like the convicted, Wai Phyo;

Edited June 27, 2016 by Moonsterk

[StealthEnergiser]

The 3 Running Man videos are 3 that Mon must sorely regret he didn't get to first, in order to trash them. Mon was able to trash dozens of videos during those hectic hours after the crime, but he somehow wasn't able to get to the Running Man videos in time. Where did they hail from? Certainly not from one of the businesses on that strip of beach which Mon controls.

It's clear, the unadulterated videos show Nomsod. I'm disappointed the defense didn't focus more on the implications of RM footage. They were probably self-restrained by the fact that neither RTP nor the court wanted in-depth discernment of them, because they didn't want it proven - who it would point to.

Among other things, the height and the gait/odd mannerisms of Running Man doesn't remotely match either of the two scapegoats. Nomsod is taller and also shares the gait/mannerisms of Running Man. It is he.

And here we have a post using a discredited source to make a claim about the identity of " Running man" through gait analysis and making a completely fabricated claim Montriwat " scrubbed" CCTV images ( but not the one that shows Nom Sod, allegedly.)

Here's a dissection of the claim, beginning with the man who made it being unqualified to do so.

https://web.facebook.com/BlindJusticeKohTao/photos/a.194966990855020.1073741830.193656064319446/195649144120138/?type=3&theater

It's clear, the unadulterated videos show Nomsod.

Clear to you, but not to me. Not at all from unaltered screen grab;

Run man orig.png

In fact those long curling sideburns which are really the only discernible feature look just like the convicted, Wai Phyo;

Wai Phyo at arrest.jpg

You forget to mention about Nomsod getting his hair and sideburns cut very short before fronting the media after a few days of no one being able to find him.

[smedly]

That Wattana Capital transaction was certainly large at nearly $10 million. However his and his wife's assets were listed at $11 million in May 2014 after the coup so he had 4 months to work on his asset base plus the $11 million was only his disclosed earnings so -- while it's possible the 370 million baht came as bribe money from Koh Tao -- I don't think one can say at this point that that would be the ONLY way he could have garnered such capital stupid or otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somyot_Poompanmoung

Maybe he got bribe money from FIFA -- everyone else seems to have.

... and if the KT big shots kept all THEIR illicit cash under a mattress, how could anyone prove whether their cash reserves were depleted a similar amount as the above or not?

They keep their money in the Dhammakaya Bank.....you know the one disguised as a temple that does not come under any official financial regulations or scrutiny

[Moonsterk]

And here we have a post using a discredited source to make a claim about the identity of " Running man" through gait analysis and making a completely fabricated claim Montriwat " scrubbed" CCTV images ( but not the one that shows Nom Sod, allegedly.)

Here's a dissection of the claim, beginning with the man who made it being unqualified to do so.

https://web.facebook.com/BlindJusticeKohTao/photos/a.194966990855020.1073741830.193656064319446/195649144120138/?type=3&theater

It's clear, the unadulterated videos show Nomsod.

Clear to you, but not to me. Not at all from unaltered screen grab;

Run man orig.png

In fact those long curling sideburns which are really the only discernible feature look just like the convicted, Wai Phyo;

Wai Phyo at arrest.jpg

You forget to mention about Nomsod getting his hair and sideburns cut very short before fronting the media after a few days of no one being able to find him.

No one could find him? For how long presumably? I don't think that's accurate- got a media report or even a picture of the alleged haircut that we can date correctly?

Regardless, that unaltered CCTV screen capture picture is simply too blurry to say definitively it is one or the either- unless you paste Nom Sod's nose onto it of course and spread it around to hundreds of thousands of FB followers.

That exaggerated forward sideburn curl was sported by Phyo, not Nom Sod

Here's a public conversation on CSI LA about the subject where it is being discussed how to get Nom Sod's GF to lie.

That Wattana Capital transaction was certainly large at nearly $10 million. However his and his wife's assets were listed at $11 million in May 2014 after the coup so he had 4 months to work on his asset base plus the $11 million was only his disclosed earnings so -- while it's possible the 370 million baht came as bribe money from Koh Tao -- I don't think one can say at this point that that would be the ONLY way he could have garnered such capital stupid or otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somyot_Poompanmoung

Maybe he got bribe money from FIFA -- everyone else seems to have.

... and if the KT big shots kept all THEIR illicit cash under a mattress, how could anyone prove whether their cash reserves were depleted a similar amount as the above or not?

They keep their money in the Dhammakaya Bank.....you know the one disguised as a temple that does not come under any official financial regulations or scrutiny

No scrutiny? I think that is incorrect - the papers are full of scrutiny beginning last year in fact..Google search comes up with dozens of hits including this;

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/dsi-dhammakaya-temple-received-more-donations-than-earlier-reported/

The Department of Special Investigation has found out that the Dhammakaya temple has received 1,216 million baht in donations through its affiliates which are double of the amount earlier discovered.

[Bkk Brian]

The Witheridge family may have their own ideas. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/sister-of-murdered-tourist-says-corrupt-police-make-thailand-a-dangerous-trap

As a side note, the Norfolk police family liaison officers for the Witheridge family have just received an award for their work, which included advising Laura to remove the post.

The Family? That article quotes Laura Witheridge only. Just because Laura may have view justice was not served, not not make it so. My sympathies to Laura, but her involvement is so emotionally charged and distraught, it's almost absurd to use her opinion as any kind of evidence against the conviction.

Who can blame her- she's had the Queens of Misinformation spoon feeding her the " serial murderer loose on Koh Tao..." BS

She's been reading Thailand Justice and Andrew Drummond, both with severely controlled discourse.

She had a horrible experience with Thai police and photgraphers.

She had a horrible experience having her sister murdered in a most terrible manner.

Wild speculation and assertions on your part, the very thing you are accusing others of doing the so called Queens of misinformation as you put it. Looks like there's now a king of misinformation.

Here's a little more information you may want to dissect seeing as you are again spreading misinformation around:

Ian Yarwood's practice involves real property law but you fail to touch on his other work, he also has experience as a criminal defence lawyer. Most importantly extensive experience in investigating fraud and presenting evidence of fraud which he uncovered to the Supreme Court of Western Australia and other fora. Obviously, he's also experienced in the law of evidence and the law of expert evidence in particular.

Qualified enough to make a complaint to BLQS. When you find the time to go through the complaint in detail and dissect it as you have promised, then please get back to me and I will look forward to debating it with you with fact based opinions not speculative rants.

[Khun Han]

I see from Steath's post quoting 'Moonsterk' that she's referencing AleG's Koh Tao propaganda Facebook page. I thought linking to such Facebook pages was against the forum rules? Can we start linking to pages such as CSI LA? Maybe the mods can clarify?

[boomerangutang]

No one could find him? For how long presumably?

For a week. From the time the initial head of the investigative team, Panya, declared he knew who the suspects were and wase about to arrest them. At that time, the two prime suspects were Mon and Nomsod. Mon was available. He was asked questions by RTP for 3 hours and, of course there is no transcript of that (same as there's no transcript of the subsequent interrogation of the B3, soon after they became the B2). Indeed, if RTP were graded on transcripts and/or video/audio of interrogations, they'd score an F minus.

Nomsod couldn't be found for a week. His parents knew where he was, but weren't saying. In a civilized country, that would be 'harboring a fugitive' and/or 'lying to police.' But in Thailand it's a big yawning 'mai pen rai' because the father is very rich.

While NS was hiding from police, he got a haircut and his sideburns were tailored to point to his ears rather than toward the front. His room was never investigated, and neither was his body for possible wounds. Again, RTP score an F- for that and for letting NS off on the flimsiest of alibis. Any objective observer of the details of this case can see clearly it was a giant cover-up from the time Panya was sent packing (with a promotion, a reward, a Bkk desk job and a promise to never breathe a word about the case ever again). .....and Somyot appointed himself head honcho.

Some folks may not know this, but Somyot later/recently became head of Football Association of Thailand (FAT).You could say he's head 'fat cat.' That's the sort of person Thailand appoints to head its national football team, while simultaneously planning to kill two innocent young Burmese men. Connect the dots.

[Moonsterk]

The Witheridge family may have their own ideas. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/sister-of-murdered-tourist-says-corrupt-police-make-thailand-a-dangerous-trap

As a side note, the Norfolk police family liaison officers for the Witheridge family have just received an award for their work, which included advising Laura to remove the post.

The Family? That article quotes Laura Witheridge only. Just because Laura may have view justice was not served, not not make it so. My sympathies to Laura, but her involvement is so emotionally charged and distraught, it's almost absurd to use her opinion as any kind of evidence against the conviction.

Who can blame her- she's had the Queens of Misinformation spoon feeding her the " serial murderer loose on Koh Tao..." BS

She's been reading Thailand Justice and Andrew Drummond, both with severely controlled discourse.

She had a horrible experience with Thai police and photgraphers.

She had a horrible experience having her sister murdered in a most terrible manner.

Wild speculation and assertions on your part, the very thing you are accusing others of doing the so called Queens of misinformation as you put it. Looks like there's now a king of misinformation.

Here's a little more information you may want to dissect seeing as you are again spreading misinformation around:

Ian Yarwood's practice involves real property law but you fail to touch on his other work, he also has experience as a criminal defence lawyer. Most importantly extensive experience in investigating fraud and presenting evidence of fraud which he uncovered to the Supreme Court of Western Australia and other fora. Obviously, he's also experienced in the law of evidence and the law of expert evidence in particular.

Qualified enough to make a complaint to BLQS. When you find the time to go through the complaint in detail and dissect it as you have promised, then please get back to me and I will look forward to debating it with you with fact based opinions not speculative rants.

I promised no such thing-only pointed out I had not done so. Yarwood specializes in lengthy diatribes that discourage just that sort of time wasting. I'm happy to simply debate comments here about his complaint.

Perhaps you'll start a conversation about a point.

I see from Steath's post quoting 'Moonsterk' that she's referencing AleG's Koh Tao propaganda Facebook page. I thought linking to such Facebook pages was against the forum rules? Can we start linking to pages such as CSI LA? Maybe the mods can clarify?

I have linked to that page Blind Justice .... many times and was unaware linking to community pages ( not a personal page) is against the rules.

It is not propaganda but of course that is my opinion as it is yours that it is.

It will allow contrary views which cannot be said of several other FB pages such as Thailand Justice and the several run by a woman attached emotionally to one of the convicted.

It is my understanding Ale G is is not connected to it.

Please do link to any post on CSI La (also a community page) then begin a discussion of the campaign started there to blame the murders on Nom Sod starting with pasting on a nose to a blurred out screen grab.

[boomerangutang]

Earlier we were talking about 3 Running Man videos. A contrarian poster posted a fuzzy picture (a grab from a poor quality computer?) of a head which comprised a small portion of one frame of one video. A head shot is different than 3 videos. It's like discussing 3 videos of a pole vaulter's vault , and just seeing a grainy portion of one photo showing a head. Not at all the same, but expected from echoers of non-scientific RTP and prosecutors.

[Moonsterk]

No one could find him? For how long presumably?

For a week. From the time the initial head of the investigative team, Panya, declared he knew who the suspects were and wase about to arrest them. At that time, the two prime suspects were Mon and Nomsod. Mon was available. He was asked questions by RTP for 3 hours and, of course there is no transcript of that (same as there's no transcript of the subsequent interrogation of the B3, soon after they became the B2). Indeed, if RTP were graded on transcripts and/or video/audio of interrogations, they'd score an F minus.

Nomsod couldn't be found for a week. His parents knew where he was, but weren't saying. In a civilized country, that would be 'harboring a fugitive' and/or 'lying to police.' But in Thailand it's a big yawning 'mai pen rai' because the father is very rich.

While NS was hiding from police, he got a haircut and his sideburns were tailored to point to his ears rather than toward the front. His room was never investigated, and neither was his body for possible wounds. Again, RTP score an F- for that and for letting NS off on the flimsiest of alibis. Any objective observer of the details of this case can see clearly it was a giant cover-up from the time Panya was sent packing (with a promotion, a reward, a Bkk desk job and a promise to never breathe a word about the case ever again). .....and Somyot appointed himself head honcho.

Some folks may not know this, but Somyot later/recently became head of Football Association of Thailand (FAT).You could say he's head 'fat cat.' That's the sort of person Thailand appoints to head its national football team, while simultaneously planning to kill two innocent young Burmese men. Connect the dots.

Point his ears toward the front? Not sure I get how looking like an animal would mask his appearance.

Any pictures of him on or about September 13 , and then again after the 15th when this make-over occurred ?

I think you are pretty much just posting whatever you think happened that goes along with a narrative to frame the young man, and somehow seem to think if you act like it's a fact, it will be believed as one. Maybe to a group of sycophants but to the interested reader...?

Here's an example of another mistake you make;

That's the sort of person Thailand appoints to head its national football team,

Somyot was voted into his new role, not appointed.

[Moonsterk]

Earlier we were talking about 3 Running Man videos. A contrarian poster posted a fuzzy picture (a grab from a poor quality computer?) of a head which comprised a small portion of one frame of one video. A head shot is different than 3 videos. It's like discussing 3 videos of a pole vaulter's vault , and just seeing a grainy portion of one photo showing a head. Not at all the same, but expected from echoers of non-scientific RTP and prosecutors.

Please post links to the alleged three separate original videos, so we can judge for ourselves the quality of the picture.

I have already posted the screen shot post from CSI la as he shows doing it, with a completely blurred out face from an original screen grab, that then was altered with Nom Sod's upper face and nose transposed over it in a subtle manner, which was then spread out over FB'dom as an original screen grab.

Edited June 27, 2016 by Moonsterk

[boomerangutang]

While NS was hiding from police, he got a haircut and his sideburns were tailored to point to his ears rather than toward the front.

Point his ears toward the front? Not sure I get how looking like an animal would mask his appearance.

Read my sentence again and see whether you continue to misunderstand it.

Is this a trend for you? ......often misinterpreting what you read?

[boomerangutang]

Earlier we were talking about 3 Running Man videos. A contrarian poster posted a fuzzy picture (a grab from a poor quality computer?) of a head which comprised a small portion of one frame of one video. A head shot is different than 3 videos. It's like discussing 3 videos of a pole vaulter's vault , and just seeing a grainy portion of one photo showing a head. Not at all the same, but expected from echoers of non-scientific RTP and prosecutors.

Post your version of the pics then to counter my post- and please include the pics from my post.

My picture shows a completely blurred out face from an original screen grab, that then was altered with Nom Sod's pic transposed over it in a subtle manner, which was then spread out over FB'dom

Running man videos have been posted dozens of times. Also, there have been many postings showing how identical NS is to Running Man. I'm not going to do research for you. It's all readily available online.

[Khun Han]

No one could find him? For how long presumably?

For a week. From the time the initial head of the investigative team, Panya, declared he knew who the suspects were and wase about to arrest them. At that time, the two prime suspects were Mon and Nomsod. Mon was available. He was asked questions by RTP for 3 hours and, of course there is no transcript of that (same as there's no transcript of the subsequent interrogation of the B3, soon after they became the B2). Indeed, if RTP were graded on transcripts and/or video/audio of interrogations, they'd score an F minus.

Nomsod couldn't be found for a week. His parents knew where he was, but weren't saying. In a civilized country, that would be 'harboring a fugitive' and/or 'lying to police.' But in Thailand it's a big yawning 'mai pen rai' because the father is very rich.

While NS was hiding from police, he got a haircut and his sideburns were tailored to point to his ears rather than toward the front. His room was never investigated, and neither was his body for possible wounds. Again, RTP score an F- for that and for letting NS off on the flimsiest of alibis. Any objective observer of the details of this case can see clearly it was a giant cover-up from the time Panya was sent packing (with a promotion, a reward, a Bkk desk job and a promise to never breathe a word about the case ever again). .....and Somyot appointed himself head honcho.

Some folks may not know this, but Somyot later/recently became head of Football Association of Thailand (FAT).You could say he's head 'fat cat.' That's the sort of person Thailand appoints to head its national football team, while simultaneously planning to kill two innocent young Burmese men. Connect the dots.

His application for the FAT job was declined as being ineligible. But he got the job anyway. So you can join the dots up further.

[Bkk Brian]

The Witheridge family may have their own ideas. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/sister-of-murdered-tourist-says-corrupt-police-make-thailand-a-dangerous-trap

As a side note, the Norfolk police family liaison officers for the Witheridge family have just received an award for their work, which included advising Laura to remove the post.

The Family? That article quotes Laura Witheridge only. Just because Laura may have view justice was not served, not not make it so. My sympathies to Laura, but her involvement is so emotionally charged and distraught, it's almost absurd to use her opinion as any kind of evidence against the conviction.

Who can blame her- she's had the Queens of Misinformation spoon feeding her the " serial murderer loose on Koh Tao..." BS

She's been reading Thailand Justice and Andrew Drummond, both with severely controlled discourse.

She had a horrible experience with Thai police and photgraphers.

She had a horrible experience having her sister murdered in a most terrible manner.

Wild speculation and assertions on your part, the very thing you are accusing others of doing the so called Queens of misinformation as you put it. Looks like there's now a king of misinformation.

Here's a little more information you may want to dissect seeing as you are again spreading misinformation around:

Ian Yarwood's practice involves real property law but you fail to touch on his other work, he also has experience as a criminal defence lawyer. Most importantly extensive experience in investigating fraud and presenting evidence of fraud which he uncovered to the Supreme Court of Western Australia and other fora. Obviously, he's also experienced in the law of evidence and the law of expert evidence in particular.

Qualified enough to make a complaint to BLQS. When you find the time to go through the complaint in detail and dissect it as you have promised, then please get back to me and I will look forward to debating it with you with fact based opinions not speculative rants.

I promised no such thing-only pointed out I had not done so. Yarwood specializes in lengthy diatribes that discourage just that sort of time wasting. I'm happy to simply debate comments here about his complaint.

Perhaps you'll start a conversation about a point.

Now your playing with words and being intellectually dishonest, here is what you said

"You are certainly entitled to dismiss my opinions of Yarwoods complaint as mumbo jumbo however I have not yet begun dissected them."

Which means you intended to. However as its pretty clear you now have no intention to do this and rather discredit Ian instead then I'll leave you to it. As for me starting a conversation point, I already had, the complaint which I agree with in its entirety.

[Khun Han]

While NS was hiding from police, he got a haircut and his sideburns were tailored to point to his ears rather than toward the front.

Point his ears toward the front? Not sure I get how looking like an animal would mask his appearance.

Read my sentence again and see whether you continue to misunderstand it.

Is this a trend for you? ......often misinterpreting what you read?

But when your only real friends in the whole world are animals (horses), your moral compass is likely going to be a bit skewed .

[JLCrab]

<snip>

Some folks may not know this, but Somyot later/recently became head of Football Association of Thailand (FAT).You could say he's head 'fat cat.' That's the sort of person Thailand appoints to head its national football team, while simultaneously planning to kill two innocent young Burmese men. Connect the dots.

His application for the FAT job was declined as being ineligible. But he got the job anyway. So you can join the dots up further.

That was real smart of him -- now he can say that all his bribe money came from FIFA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case

Edited June 27, 2016 by JLCrab

[Moonsterk]

While NS was hiding from police, he got a haircut and his sideburns were tailored to point to his ears rather than toward the front.

Point his ears toward the front? Not sure I get how looking like an animal would mask his appearance.

Read my sentence again and see whether you continue to misunderstand it.

Is this a trend for you? ......often misinterpreting what you read?

Not at all, I'm an excellent reader which is how I can catch nonsensical sentences like this;

While NS was hiding from police, he got a haircut and his sideburns were tailored to point to his ears rather than toward the front.

It makes no sense -just blathering to fill in text.

Edited June 27, 2016 by Moonsterk

[Moonsterk]

Wild speculation and assertions on your part, the very thing you are accusing others of doing the so called Queens of misinformation as you put it. Looks like there's now a king of misinformation.

Here's a little more information you may want to dissect seeing as you are again spreading misinformation around:

Ian Yarwood's practice involves real property law but you fail to touch on his other work, he also has experience as a criminal defence lawyer. Most importantly extensive experience in investigating fraud and presenting evidence of fraud which he uncovered to the Supreme Court of Western Australia and other fora. Obviously, he's also experienced in the law of evidence and the law of expert evidence in particular.

Qualified enough to make a complaint to BLQS. When you find the time to go through the complaint in detail and dissect it as you have promised, then please get back to me and I will look forward to debating it with you with fact based opinions not speculative rants.

I promised no such thing-only pointed out I had not done so. Yarwood specializes in lengthy diatribes that discourage just that sort of time wasting. I'm happy to simply debate comments here about his complaint.

Perhaps you'll start a conversation about a point.

Now your playing with words and being intellectually dishonest, here is what you said

"You are certainly entitled to dismiss my opinions of Yarwoods complaint as mumbo jumbo however I have not yet begun dissected them."

Which means you intended to. However as its pretty clear you now have no intention to do this and rather discredit Ian instead then I'll leave you to it. As for me starting a conversation point, I already had, the complaint which I agree with in its entirety.

OK then, time for some pedantry if you wish to quibble about words. your ?

The correct term is you're...

No, I never promised to do it. I said I had not yet begun.... That could be construed as I might but really, it's in no way a promise to do so.

Intellectual dishonesty. C'mon. Your posts are what are intellectually dishonest, pure non- points pasted up - gnatting it could be called.

So is there a point Yar made you think is worth discussing or can we assume your entire contribution will consist of grammar based ad hominem gnatting replete with your own assorted grammar mistakes?

Tell you what, in the next 10 minutes, pick a number of the complaint- and I'll put up a counter argument within one hour that will have the fence sitters falling my way.

Edited June 27, 2016 by Moonsterk

[boomerangutang]

While NS was hiding from police, he got a haircut and his sideburns were tailored to point to his ears rather than toward the front.

Point his ears toward the front? Not sure I get how looking like an animal would mask his appearance.

Read my sentence again and see whether you continue to misunderstand it.

Is this a trend for you? ......often misinterpreting what you read?

Not at all, I'm an excellent reader which is how I can catch nonsensical sentences like this;

While NS was hiding from police, he got a haircut and his sideburns were tailored to point to his ears rather than toward the front.

It makes no sense -just blathering to fill in text.

Perhaps English is your 2nd language. Any reasonable person can understand clearly what I described. - particularly if they're even remotely familiar with the Running Man videos, which show a tall thin young man (certainly not Mon, who claimed it was himself, and therefore lied to police) .....with sideburns tailored to face forward.

[Moonsterk]

I spot mistakes, not very professsional....

I confirm that it took 132 days for you to reply to my initial email and that you did so only after Mr Michael Fraser, APLAC Secretary wrote to you twice at my request. In the circumstances, I have taken the liberty of sending a copy of this current email to [sic, spacing.]

Mr Fraser. I also request that you provide me with an acknowledgment at your earliest convenience confirming receipt of this email. I understand that it might take some time to conduct an investigation but, with respect, an acknowledgment of receipt should not take 132 days.

[Well Yar, you are nobody they have to answer to.]

I note from one of your emails that you stated that you do not know who I am. I advise that I happen to be an Australian legal practitioner and an Australian citizen who was born in South East Asia and who has spent a considerable amount of time traveling in South East Asia in general and in Thailand in particular. I am not a Thai lawyer and I do not “act” for the two Burmese defendants, Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo in my position as a legal practitioner. The last sentence has a specific meaning for the Legal Practice Board of Western Australia. The defendants are not my clients but I used my letterhead in my first letter for your ease of reference.

And omits he is only a property lawyer, born in SEA- is that to impress somebody? Travels in Tland extensively well that's good for the snicker factor... I would have left that out.

I advise that I do have express oral authority from the defendants to write this notice of complaint, which authority I obtained via some of their prison visitors. Mr Fraser kindly advised me that oral authority is sufficient. As you can imagine it is impossible for the defendants to communicate with me via emails or facsimile machines. Mail to and from the prison is also censored. In the circumstances, I do not have authority evidenced in writing.

authority I obtained via some of their prison visitors.....I do not have authority evidenced in writing.

Not impressive

(cont)

Edited June 27, 2016 by Moonsterk

[Moonsterk]

Snippet;

Perhaps English is your 2nd language. Any reasonable person can understand clearly what I described. - particularly if they're even remotely familiar with the Running Man videos, which show a tall thin young man (certainly not Mon, who claimed it was himself, and therefore lied to police) .....with sideburns tailored to face forward.

Tall? there is no reference to judge the height -the camera points down, there is no way to measure despite CSI La's trying to do so.

It certainly resembles his young man very much, the convicted Wai Phyo

Edited June 27, 2016 by Moonsterk