PM Prayut spurns Democrat party’s standpoint on draft charter

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PM spurns Democrat party’s standpoint on draft charter



BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha brushed aside the Democrat party’s political standpoint to reject the draft constitution, saying that it is the party’s own decision.

When asked by a reporter whether the decision will affect the party’s political supporting base, he told the media to ask the party.

But the prime minister pleaded for sympathy for the drafters of the charter whom, he said, had been ridiculed and discredited all along despite the fact that they had good intention for the country and tried to work out how the country’s pressing problems could be resolved so that there will be confidence for the future.

He warned that, in the future, there might be no one to volunteer for drafting a new charter, if the charter drafters are not properly treated.

Asked whether the announcement of the standpoints on the draft by both the Democrat and Pheu Thai parties amounts to leading opinion which may influence the way people vote in the referendum, the prime minister suggested the media to ask from the public whether they felt they had been insulted by the politicians.

Asked what the new charter will look like if the draft fails the referendum, the prime minister said he might put together all the good points of all previous charter as the basis for the new charter.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/173992-2/


-- Thai PBS 2016-07-28

[The stuttering parrot]

Definitely in uncharted waters this mob.

He's proving more divisive than the ones before the coup.

[Reigntax]

"the prime minister said he might put together all the good points of all previous charter as the basis for the new charter."

So it will be start with a blank sheet for version 18.3.0 then.

Lucky the GT200 golf ball/bomb detectors didnt come with a bullshit detecting card.

[Thechook]

So the dems publically reject it and they aren't arrested, others speak out against it and are accused of misleading the public and arrested. Definately looking after each other and bugger the rest. Is this his plan to reconciliation and happiness?

[Thailand]

Seems to be a lot of wheels on this wagon but another one just fell off!

[tbthailand]

this little Dem / "PM" spat is the most transparently fake cat-fight I've seen is a while.

Next....

[Plutojames88]

It's getting to the point the masses don't want these guys.

Clearly in their wild delusions that 99.3% of the people approve of them .

This result in August has the potential to ignite things.

Both parties now against the charter.

We're it claimed ( with no overseers ) that it was voted Yes on, then we might have a rebellion on our hands.

The straw that broken the camels back might well be the distortion of the result.?

And if NO succeeds and it's known , then they simply decide "" tough luck"" we rule anyhow....then again we have a people's will issue.

When Abhisit came out against it , the shock to the military must have been significant.

Make no mistake ...this is a significant rebuff to the ruling military , so keen to get a yes vote.

It now means only surrendering its power , or extreme measures in future, can ensure their survival literally.

It's actually very concerning the totalitarian positioning Thailand is undertaking, and it's affiliated stance with communist China.

An uprising in Bangkok might well see a similar ending as 1989 there.( China)

But this is the beginning of the end for these people.

International pressure will now grow.

Bangkok will become the seat that needs to be dislodged.

And clearly the NO vote is the first shot fired.

Edited July 27, 2016 by Plutojames88

[ChrisY1]

Such insanity never seems to stop.........new brains that have never had a thought through them.........

Frightening really in 2016.......but I'm not sure it isn't so different throughout SE Asia......

[waldroj]

According to junta-head "...they (CDC) had good intention for the country...".

But, as most people know (outside of Thailand), the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And, we don't need a "roadmap" to see where He is leading the country!

[kaorop]

Definitely in uncharted waters this mob.

He's proving more divisive than the ones before the coup.

and there is only one reason he hasnt been turfed out, holding all the weaponry.

[yellowboat]

Sad that the Thai people had to watch two coups that seriously wasted their time and ruined the countries reputation.

The huge voting block in the east and north will probably not like the new charter. Now the yellow shirts are objecting. What's left to support the good general ?

Edited July 28, 2016 by yellowboat

[Balance]

Typically, in the world of politics when there is an important piece of legislation and people disagree on it three is a process of negotiations between the parties. Clearly, this did not happen with the draft constitution. In fact, the PM made the point, he appeared to say that the people drafting sat in a back room without talking to any of the stakeholders accept the army and the elite leaders. As long as the rest of the country is ignored and not included just how will there be any reconciliation?

[Roadman]

The pain of that Abhisit criticism being stuck up his ass is sure showing on the good General's face in that photo.

Simplest solution as it was right from the start is stop trying to do it all the Army way. It is the scum bag Thai political patronage system that has to run with the referendum result of applying an expected improved democratic system so get all political parties that existed at the time of throwing their thieving corrupt assess out involved within the charter draft, and with that approach the public buy in will have a better chance to follow.

Khun General Prayut must already know that this latest draft is a failure and it looks like if the best he is going to come up is all the good points from the previous charters then he is going to be a long painful time yet as acting PM with that trying to squeeze a turd look on his face.

[JAG]

Sad that the Thai people had to watch two coups that seriously wasted their time and ruined the countries reputation.

The huge voting block in the east and north will probably not like the new charter. Now the yellow shirts are objecting. What's left to support the good general ?

As before, those whose vested interests he serves.

It remains to be seen how far they will go to stay (keep the junta) in power.

Remember though, there's no safety valve any more.

Edited July 28, 2016 by JAG

[Jimbo2014]

"He warned that, in the future, there might be no one to volunteer for drafting a new charter, if the charter drafters are not properly treated."..... cue ominous music duh duh duh.....duh. reminds me of the classic British comedy... Yes Mr prime minister

[jamesbrock]

Sad that the Thai people had to watch two coups that seriously wasted their time and ruined the countries reputation.

The huge voting block in the east and north will probably not like the new charter. Now the yellow shirts are objecting. What's left to support the good general ?

Certain laws prevent your question from being accurately answered.

[baboon]

Sad that the Thai people had to watch two coups that seriously wasted their time and ruined the countries reputation.

The huge voting block in the east and north will probably not like the new charter. Now the yellow shirts are objecting. What's left to support the good general ?

As before, those whose vested interests he serves.

It remains to be seen how far they will go to stay (keep the junta) in power.

Remember though, there's no safety valve any more.

And that is the worrying thing, your last sentence. History has shown that the Generals have been quite prepared to kill as many people as it takes in order to get what they want. Without that safety valve...

[JAG]

Sad that the Thai people had to watch two coups that seriously wasted their time and ruined the countries reputation.

The huge voting block in the east and north will probably not like the new charter. Now the yellow shirts are objecting. What's left to support the good general ?

As before, those whose vested interests he serves.

It remains to be seen how far they will go to stay (keep the junta) in power.

Remember though, there's no safety valve any more.

And that is the worrying thing, your last sentence. History has shown that the Generals have been quite prepared to kill as many people as it takes in order to get what they want. Without that safety valve...

Yes, I do fear that this is probably going to end bloodily.

The whole construct of power, including the military is so ramshackle that it may well collapse if the pressure is in the slightest bit sustained.

[bark]

I know it is not a true Democracy, but it is better then having people camping on Sukhumvit road. Sorry for the people; but better for business.

And now that all countries recognize the military government; i don't care if they stay in power forever. So let the PM and the military continue

to rule the country. It is better for business.

If the people did not want the coup, two years ago. They could have stopped it; same as the people in turkey. But half the country

were unhappy with the old government. Every three years it is the same thing. camp out and protest on the streets. Force a government

change; then do it again three years later !

Good job Prime Minister; keep business working.

[kalbo123]

So with the 2 major Thai political parties giving a vote NO advice, I wonder if the upcoming referendum should be held, I think the result is already known before it even started.

Edited July 28, 2016 by kalbo123

[kalbo123]

I know it is not a true Democracy, but it is better then having people camping on Sukhumvit road. Sorry for the people; but better for business.

And now that all countries recognize the military government; i don't care if they stay in power forever. So let the PM and the military continue

to rule the country. It is better for business.

If the people did not want the coup, two years ago. They could have stopped it; same as the people in turkey. But half the country

were unhappy with the old government. Every three years it is the same thing. camp out and protest on the streets. Force a government

change; then do it again three years later !

Good job Prime Minister; keep business working.

Better for business??

Do you ever read the financial sector in the newspapers?

Edited July 28, 2016 by kalbo123

[jayboy]

Although the brilliant but flawed Abhisit is no longer the power he was, his criticisms must have stung given his leadership role among the 'good people' - a group the Junta has generally up to now been able to rely on.The Junta can no longer argue that the 'good people' support the regime.Actually for at least a year the better educated and more intelligent of those who backed the coup (lets call them Thai patriots) have become increasingly uneasy given the current government's catastrophic record.Few doubt that in a free election the PTP or its equivalent would emerge victorious - their position strengthened (though not really deserved) by the incompetence and hatefulness of the ruling regime.Prayuth's remarks as quoted are of course grotesque - showing the mindset of a deluded child but interesting to note his hated of politicians openly expressed.Of course things may get worse as other members have suggested but the end result is not in doubt.Junta leaders will perhaps become increasingly wild and unpredictable as some flickering of awareness emerges of their colossal failure and betrayal, not to mention retribution.Sew the hurricane and reap the whirlwind.One positive aspect is that there are at least some small signs of the Democrat Party facing up to reality, the beginning of the road to reform after its dishonourable dallying with the forces of repression.That's the road all those who value the country must hope for - a political party that will compete with Thaksinite populism and at the same time stare down the face of repression and the corrupt old unelected elites.

[Holy Cinema]

I know it is not a true Democracy, but it is better then having people camping on Sukhumvit road. Sorry for the people; but better for business.

And now that all countries recognize the military government; i don't care if they stay in power forever. So let the PM and the military continue

to rule the country. It is better for business.

If the people did not want the coup, two years ago. They could have stopped it; same as the people in turkey. But half the country

were unhappy with the old government. Every three years it is the same thing. camp out and protest on the streets. Force a government

change; then do it again three years later !

Good job Prime Minister; keep business working.

All countries recognise the military government ?

Troll alert!!

[LannaGuy]

I know it is not a true Democracy, but it is better then having people camping on Sukhumvit road. Sorry for the people; but better for business.

And now that all countries recognize the military government; i don't care if they stay in power forever. So let the PM and the military continue

to rule the country. It is better for business.

If the people did not want the coup, two years ago. They could have stopped it; same as the people in turkey. But half the country

were unhappy with the old government. Every three years it is the same thing. camp out and protest on the streets. Force a government

change; then do it again three years later !

Good job Prime Minister; keep business working.

[williamgeorgeallen]

I know it is not a true Democracy, but it is better then having people camping on Sukhumvit road. Sorry for the people; but better for business.

And now that all countries recognize the military government; i don't care if they stay in power forever. So let the PM and the military continue

to rule the country. It is better for business.

If the people did not want the coup, two years ago. They could have stopped it; same as the people in turkey. But half the country

were unhappy with the old government. Every three years it is the same thing. camp out and protest on the streets. Force a government

change; then do it again three years later !

Good job Prime Minister; keep business working.

All countries recognise the military government ?

Troll alert!!

the last of the junta lovers. thought they were extinct. we need to capture this last one and save a DNA sample just in case we need to bring it back for the next coup. remember it has already been over 2 years since the last one so the next one can not be far away.

[mtls2005]

But the prime minister pleaded for sympathy for the drafters of the charter whom, he said, had been ridiculed and discredited all along despite the fact that they had good intention for the country and tried to work out how the country’s pressing problems could be resolved so that there will be confidence for the future.

Sounds like he's throwing the CDC under the bus? Or at least gathering them up at the nearest bus stop.

[yellowboat]

I know it is not a true Democracy, but it is better then having people camping on Sukhumvit road. Sorry for the people; but better for business.

And now that all countries recognize the military government; i don't care if they stay in power forever. So let the PM and the military continue

to rule the country. It is better for business.

If the people did not want the coup, two years ago. They could have stopped it; same as the people in turkey. But half the country

were unhappy with the old government. Every three years it is the same thing. camp out and protest on the streets. Force a government

change; then do it again three years later !

Good job Prime Minister; keep business working.

Whose business benefits ? Your peace at any price stance really only suits the elite of the country, not the average Thai. A great many Thais are struggling. They deserve better job opportunities . Thailand's reputation what it is now does not attract business and things will not get better anytime soon. The coup has accomplished nothing, which is even more evident now.

[JAG]

I know it is not a true Democracy, but it is better then having people camping on Sukhumvit road. Sorry for the people; but better for business.

And now that all countries recognize the military government; i don't care if they stay in power forever. So let the PM and the military continue

to rule the country. It is better for business.

If the people did not want the coup, two years ago. They could have stopped it; same as the people in turkey. But half the country

were unhappy with the old government. Every three years it is the same thing. camp out and protest on the streets. Force a government

change; then do it again three years later !

Good job Prime Minister; keep business working.

Or to précis: I'm all right Jack.

[toybits]

"He warned that, in the future, there might be no one to volunteer for drafting a new charter, if the charter drafters are not properly treated."

Actually, there are millions of Thais who want to participate in drafting the new Charter. Problem is, "THEY" wont allow them to participate.

[elgordo38]

"He warned that, in the future, there might be no one to volunteer for drafting a new charter, if the charter drafters are not properly treated."..... cue ominous music duh duh duh.....duh. reminds me of the classic British comedy... Yes Mr prime minister

Why not appeal to the UN to send in some impartial drafters for the next one. Take a hands off approach. I am sure the last charter draft had his initials on every page. I think he has threatened that any future drafts would be in the same vein so open up and swallow this on. Edited July 28, 2016 by elgordo38