Prayut performs better after two years in office

[debate101]

Military regimes are not good at running countries. Full stop. They are bureaucratic, inefficient, undiplomatic, slow to adapt to changes, tone-deaf, and paranoid world-over. Thailand is hardly an exception.

 

I do agree with you that most Thais are not aware of or interested in these issues. At least part of this is the censorship and self-censorship going on, but many people have to direct almost all of their energies towards survival and daily life, so there is little left over to take a concern in world events. 

 

However, people who are concerned can see what a disaster this government has been for the country and its future. You can't escape from reality forever, and even if many people haven't yet caught on to the economic and diplomatic damage being done to the country and its people, it will become more and more apparent as time goes on.

 

 

 

[HappyDazed]

2 hours ago, debate101 said:

In two years, foreign investment has fallen 80 and 90 percent. GDP has been close to 0 and then 3 percent. This is one of the lowest growth rates in the region, and world bank estimates that it should be at 4-5 percent (with a stable and competent government).

 

 

Yet, the baht has remained strong and crushing it against the pound.

 

& your numbers sound like bs.

Edited August 21, 2016 by HappyDazed

[The stuttering parrot]

Love the posters on here trying to defend a man on his stance on corruption and  terrorism when he has granted himself and he's cronies complete  amnesty from his past and future actions in his whacky zany roadmap for Thailand .

Complete amnesty ! That's as bad as it gets.

[HappyDazed]

21 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

 

His figures are accurate.

 

 

 

 

The picture both you and him are painting with those figures is bs.....see the strong baht and the standard of living for the average thai on the ground & compare to neighboring countries for the real picture not the blah blah blah

 

The Thais have simply never had it so good!

Edited August 21, 2016 by HappyDazed

[HappyDazed]

13 minutes ago, The stuttering parrot said:

Love the posters on here trying to defend a man on his stance on corruption and  terrorism when he has granted himself and he's cronies complete  amnesty from his past and future actions in his whacky zany roadmap for Thailand .

Complete amnesty ! That's as bad as it gets.

No different to Bush and Blair...responsable for the deaths of millions but wont even see the inside of a courtroom nevermind a cell.

 

Every western country works the same way.

 

 

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Thaidream said:

I would suggest you sit down with a citizen of Thailand and state to that person what you state on this board and see what kind of reaction you get. The average Thai person doesn't care one iota about Ughurs; Southern Extremists; people disagreeing with the Junta and all the other things you mentioned in these posts. They care about how much they can make to care for their families; the price of goods and services and whether the government is providing for their interests. They actually could care less about democracy, voting and all the other things as Westerners you feel are so important.  You don't have to believe me- look around-there are no mobs in the streets protesting this and that; the farmers have a firm price on their rice; tourist numbers are high; Thailand has Olympic Champions: Thais have access to credit and are buying cars at a fast rate; the Government Housing Bank is making funds available for new homes; the middle class is taking vacations all over Thailand.  The only people who have an issue are those in Issan who believe that their savior- a meglomaniac convicted criminal is going to rise like a Phoenix and save them. Ain't gonna happen.... never going to happen. Live with it.

"I would suggest you sit down with a citizen of Thailand and state to that person what you state on this board and see what kind of reaction you get."

 

I have, quietly, only those I trust and who trust me.  We are in agreement that the military has no business running the country.

 

Regarding the rest, a history of election results overturned by military and judicial coups may have lessened faith in democracy.  Recent history in which the military fired on people calling for elections and staged a coup to accommodate people obstructing elections might explain the reluctance to demonstrate.  By cherry picking the data you've come up with parts of the economy that aren't terrible, however as debate101 pointed out things aren't as good as they should be.

 

Finally, I don't think you spend much time in the northeast, your comments seem based upon the kind of ignorant stereotype many expats have.

[ChrisY1]

The idiotic street "demonstrations".....that the useless cops should have stopped......have ceased for the past 2 years.......but difficult to claim a big win situation.

Investment has fallen badly...and no sign of improving........major infrastructure projects have all but stalled.....although skytrain extensions have proceeded...possibly they were already on the books.....

The poor have remained poor..possibly more so......the prisons are overflowing, (anti junta people?)....freedom of speech and association have been repressed.......it's an endless list.

But......the Thais continue their business and, I guess in reality, don't care who's in the chair, the situation here has been so disjointed for so long, they're used to it all.....as long as their som tum is still available, they're pretty happy.

The clamp down on the sex industry is simply a farce, with no real attempt to change the status quo........corruption continues unabated in all sectors.

IMO, any leader could claim to be successful with section 44 ............

Then of course the Shinawatras........the evil enemy of the elite.....still not stopped!

[debate101]

Just to be clear, I have no particular stake in democracy but do have a very large stake in the well-being and success of this country. Many other posters, I am sure, are in the same boat.

 

If I argue against the current government, it is not to be anti-Thai or pro-west. It is to advocate for the people in this country I care deeply about, including friends and family members, who have had their rights wrenched away from them at gunpoint in service of a government that is less successful than the civilian-led ones in every significant area except propaganda and repression.

 

I would love to be proven wrong, so please don't give up trying to convince me that a military regime can successfully run a modern country of seventy million people anywhere but into the ground. It is not just some abstract notion of a foreign nation I see the future of circling around the drainpipe, but mine as well.

[HappyDazed]

14 hours ago, debate101 said:

I would love to be proven wrong, so please don't give up trying to convince me that a military regime can successfully run a modern country of seventy million people anywhere but into the ground.

 

If you really believe the current government are running the country into the ground can you explain why the baht is so strong and stable.. And why the standard of living in Thailand is probably the best it's ever been, you only have to compare the standard of living(the average Thai on the ground) with 10-20 years ago and the rock solid baht(eg the baht recently gained 15% against the pound so in real terms Prayut has done way better than then UK gov in an even more difficult situation)..these are the real facts of the Thai economy, there are also lots of jobs and affordable housing available for those that want to work, how many western countries can claim the same?

Edited August 22, 2016 by HappyDazed

[heybruce]

40 minutes ago, HappyDazed said:

 

If you really believe the current government are running the country into the ground can you explain why the baht is so strong and stable.. And why the standard of living in Thailand is probably the best it's ever been, you only have to compare the standard of living(the average Thai on the ground) with 10-20 years ago and the rock solid baht(eg the baht recently gained 15% against the pound so in real terms Prayut has done way better than then UK gov in an even more difficult situation)..these are the real facts of the Thai economy, there are also lots of jobs and affordable housing available for those that want to work, how many western countries can claim the same?

What Thailand do you live in? 

 

The baht hasn't increased in value, the pound has lost value since the Brexit vote.  In the last five years the baht has lost significant ground against the US dollar and Chinese Yuan, held about steady against the Euro, and gained some on the Japanese Yen (though it is currently losing value against the Yen). 

 

Where I live businesses are laying off people and business owner's are negotiating loan extensions with banks.  Banks are pushing their tellers to sell insurance and other products because they can't loan money in this bad economy.  People are scared.  I assume somebody is making money from the hoards of Chinese tourists, but I haven't figured out who.  Where are the jobs you write about?

[Thaidream]

Thailand definitely has problems that need to be solved and those of us here long term want Thailand to be successful so our Thai extended families can find some modicum of success. I have a good feel for all areas of Thailand as I have had Thai partners in the past who have been from every region and I have travelled and conversed with Thais in these regions.  In addition, I have been in Thailand for every coup since the 70's.

There is no doubt the Red Shirt movement exists because there are sections of the country where poverty is rampant and a lack of opportunity and education available.  However, they have in the past linked their destiny to the wrong person and his family who have done very little to help the country. Since 2000 there has not been either an elected government or even a military government that has done anything to make Thailand a better place for the Thai people. The only exception is the current regime who is trying to throw off the yoke of corrupt politicians who buy elections and trying to move the country forward the best way it can. 

There is no doubt that the military in itself  does not have the ability to run governments but the current regime has brought in experts from  the civilian sector to handle the technical aspects of governance. I still say most Thai people welcome the past 2 years of peace where in the past we had one group seizing an International airport; another blocking a major intersection in the capital for months and then another marching all over Bangkok with roving street demonstrations.

The fact that Thailand has a lower GDP that its contiguous neighbors is not surprising as these countries (except Malaysia) have a less developed economy than Thailand and their wage base is lower- so foreign investment would certainly favor them over Thailand. The reason the Thai Baht is not depreciating is the Brexit money is coming to the Thai Stock Market but it can also leave as quickly as it comes.  Thailand is moving towards a Newly Industrialized State which means its GPD will  be around  3-4% . None of this has anything do with the military being in charge.

The simple fact is that  many Thai people are better off right now under the Junta both physically and economically than they were under the Shin master and his Clan. However, I will give him one kudo for establishing the 30 Baht Health scheme which has literally saved lives.

Many Westerners in Thailand rant and rave about  'loss of freedom' and using Section 44 of the interim constitution. I don't know anyone who has lost their ability to speak their mind on any issue as long as they do it in a thoughtful and respectful manner.If you listen to Thai TV- there are many shows having open debate on a variety of social issues. And I would bet that every Western leader would love to have a Section 44 to move projects along that helped their populace instead of the incessant bickering and blockage of projects by ignorant politicians who care more about their own pockets than the peoples welfare 

What has Democracy done for Thailand and the World?  What has evolved as forms of government is not democracy but economic materialism where the highest bidder gets elected to propagate those issues that put more money into the hands of a countries 1% denying the 99% any hope. Democracy as a pure concept can be a good system but it has to have a Socialist twinge to actually work in the real  World. There are certain things that are a human right- such as free health care; free education including University; real equality for everyone; freedom of religion; freedom of movement; and others but always tempered with responsibility and not license to do everything we please to do when it infringes on the rights of others.

Next year, the military will be returning to its traditional role and an election will be held. Frankly, I don't see any politician out there that has any plan to do anything for the Thai people. Maybe, someone will come forward and actually outline a plan or plans and give the people a real choice because they  know the military is watching.

[Eligius]

36 minutes ago, heybruce said:

What Thailand do you live in? 

 

The baht hasn't increased in value, the pound has lost value since the Brexit vote.  In the last five years the baht has lost significant ground against the US dollar and Chinese Yuan, held about steady against the Euro, and gained some on the Japanese Yen (though it is currently losing value against the Yen). 

 

Where I live businesses are laying off people and business owner's are negotiating loan extensions with banks.  Banks are pushing their tellers to sell insurance and other products because they can't loan money in this bad economy.  People are scared.  I assume somebody is making money from the hoards of Chinese tourists, but I haven't figured out who.  Where are the jobs you write about?

What Thailand indeed. I personally know numerous decent, good-hearted, well-meaning Thai folk working, for example,  for a pittance in posh, up-market shopping complexes by day (patronised by the more fortunate and well-to-do) - only to return to a 'box' (as one Thai described his domicile to me recently) in a cockroach-infested slum at night. Or Thais who have to work 11-13 hours each day in a restaurant kitchen -  only to take home 10,000 baht at the end of the month. Have any of us tried to live on 10,000 baht - month after month, year after year?

 

It makes my blood boil when I hear the well-heeled (and yes, compared with most Thais I myself am extremely fortunate) telling the millions of disenfranchised, impoverished Thais how happy and prosperous their lives are, and how fortunate they are to live under this current 'benevolent' regime.

 

I think anyone with even a single atom of compassion in their DNA would feel heart-breakingly sorry for the toils and tribulations under which so many Thais are currently labouring - and will continue to labour, given the political shape (hand-crafted by the monstrous 'elites') of things to come ...

Edited August 22, 2016 by Eligius

[Winniedapu]

On 8/21/2016 at 0:46 PM, heybruce said:

Another "Most Thais I know..." rational.    Where do these "most thais" come from, and are you certain they are being open and honest with a foreigner?

 

 

There's an online list of them. It's a group, there's 32 of them and every foreigner who wants to state his opinion while pretending a huge number of Thais actually think the same as he does, knows the same 32 Thais. Or claims to.

 

They call themselves "The Thai people you know without actually knowing any Thais".

 

Part of their manifesto reads as follows:

 

"You can claim to know us for a one-time-only payment with monthly direct debits - every month. We specialise in Johnny No-friends types, so they can claim to know some Thais, and we don't actually care what you say we like. Instant credibility, sign up now and impress all your mates. Both of them".

 

Winnie

 

Edited August 22, 2016 by Winniedapu

[HappyDazed]

36 minutes ago, heybruce said:

What Thailand do you live in? 

 

The baht hasn't increased in value, the pound has lost value since the Brexit vote.  In the last five years the baht has held about steady against the Euro, and gained some on the Japanese Yen. 

 

 

 

The baht has increased in value against the pound by 15%....you obviously have zero clue, contradicting yourself and didn't understand my reply 55555

 

Going on the fact I'm living in Bangkok and haven't seen another farang in the last two weeks I would say Im living in the real Thailand.....not swinging on a barstool in Pattaya.

 

The fact you're resorting to comparing the baht to the mighty dollar/yen to make your arguement only further proves my point that the baht is strong and stable....

 

So much falangness on these boards!

Edited August 22, 2016 by HappyDazed

[johng]

 

24 minutes ago, HappyDazed said:

The baht has increased in value against the pound by 15%..

 

 

The value of  Pound vs Baht is  almost directly related to  Pound vs US Dollar

if you compare graphs of the two you can see the correlation

Pound has lost strength against the Dollar due to Brexit vote   Baht has remained about where it was.

[Thaidream]

The poster Eligius describes accurately what is happening not only in Thailand but also the United States to a degree. However, in regard to Thailand-it is not because the military has come to power . The 1% -the wealthy control the lives of the 99% the poor and soon to become poor . A succession of 'elected' governments have done nothing for the people working 13 hours per day at minimum wages toiling sometimes 7 days a week. The wealthy buy their way out of jail; continue to pay slave wages to keep the people dependent upon their so called 'largesse'. No politician ever does anything to change it because all politicians want to eat at the trough so they can get richer. How much is ever enough. Elections are bought and paid for by the rich so the rich can continue their exploitation. Look at what is happening in the US? That is supposed to be one of the World's highly developed democracy. Money controls everything.

 

The Thai Junta wants to get money out of politics and return to the barracks where it knows it belongs.  Its promulgation of the new Constitution is written in an attempt to control money politics in which a wealthy meglomaniac can buy office for himself and his family and use the Thai people to get even richer.

 

As mentioned before, I know of no Thai politician that has the knowledge; charisma; and feel for their own people to take on the massive amount of reform that needs to be done to move Thailand and its people forward. I am hopeful someone will emerge on the stage and present a real plan and details that will move Thailand forward and give its people some hope for change. The Coup set the stage- now we shall see if  an elected government can  carry out the needed reforms. The wealthy and elite are not going th give up their positions easily but then again- that is why the military are looking over the shoulders of the next government.

[johng]

8 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

The wealthy and elite are not going th give up their positions easily

 

You are correct they wont   the military will ensure that.

 

10 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

The Thai Junta wants to get money out of politics and return to the barracks where it knows it belongs

 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

What Thailand do you live in? 

 

The baht hasn't increased in value, the pound has lost value since the Brexit vote.  In the last five years the baht has lost significant ground against the US dollar and Chinese Yuan, held about steady against the Euro, and gained some on the Japanese Yen (though it is currently losing value against the Yen). 

 

Where I live businesses are laying off people and business owner's are negotiating loan extensions with banks.  Banks are pushing their tellers to sell insurance and other products because they can't loan money in this bad economy.  People are scared.  I assume somebody is making money from the hoards of Chinese tourists, but I haven't figured out who.  Where are the jobs you write about?

 

57 minutes ago, HappyDazed said:

 

The baht has increased in value against the pound by 15%....you obviously have zero clue, contradicting yourself and didn't understand my reply 55555

 

Going on the fact I'm living in Bangkok and haven't seen another farang in the last two weeks I would say Im living in the real Thailand.....not swinging on a barstool in Pattaya.

 

The fact you're resorting to comparing the baht to the mighty dollar/yen to make your arguement only further proves my point that the baht is strong and stable....

 

So much falangness on these boards!

Once again, the Thai baht hasn't increased in value, the UK pound has lost a significant amount of value since the Brexit vote.  Is that beyond your comprehension?  Do you think the pound is the only currency that matters?  Can you name another major world currency that the baht has appreciated against?

 

Another news flash for someone living in the Bangkok bubble, Bangkok isn't Thailand.  Most of Thailand is outside of Bangkok. 

[heybruce]

14 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

The poster Eligius describes accurately what is happening not only in Thailand but also the United States to a degree. However, in regard to Thailand-it is not because the military has come to power . The 1% -the wealthy control the lives of the 99% the poor and soon to become poor . A succession of 'elected' governments have done nothing for the people working 13 hours per day at minimum wages toiling sometimes 7 days a week. The wealthy buy their way out of jail; continue to pay slave wages to keep the people dependent upon their so called 'largesse'. No politician ever does anything to change it because all politicians want to eat at the trough so they can get richer. How much is ever enough. Elections are bought and paid for by the rich so the rich can continue their exploitation. Look at what is happening in the US? That is supposed to be one of the World's highly developed democracy. Money controls everything.

 

The Thai Junta wants to get money out of politics and return to the barracks where it knows it belongs.  Its promulgation of the new Constitution is written in an attempt to control money politics in which a wealthy meglomaniac can buy office for himself and his family and use the Thai people to get even richer.

 

As mentioned before, I know of no Thai politician that has the knowledge; charisma; and feel for their own people to take on the massive amount of reform that needs to be done to move Thailand and its people forward. I am hopeful someone will emerge on the stage and present a real plan and details that will move Thailand forward and give its people some hope for change. The Coup set the stage- now we shall see if  an elected government can  carry out the needed reforms. The wealthy and elite are not going th give up their positions easily but then again- that is why the military are looking over the shoulders of the next government.

" The Thai Junta wants to get money out of politics and return to the barracks where it knows it belongs."

 

It gets tiresome explaining the obvious over and over again.  The Thai military is thoroughly corrupt http://government.defenceindex.org/downloads/docs/thailand.pdf .  It is looking after the interests of the generals, not the Thai people.

 

The first democratic constitution that gave real power to elected officials was the 1997 constitution.  Since then elected governments have not been allowed to stay in office long enough to make lasting changes in Thai society, but they did make some improvement.  Before Thaksin was elected 90% of government investment was in Bangkok, by 2012 that amount was reduced to a still ridiculous 72% http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/446181468309244530/pdf/685510ESW00PUB0y0Note0master0120501.pdf .   It's no wonder Bangkok people think democracy isn't suitable for Thailand.  Democracy threatened the hold on power of the elites, including the generals.  That's why we haven't seen two consecutive elected governments in Thailand.

 

When societies make the long trip from corrupt autocracy to (reasonably) honest democracy there is usually a period of corrupt democracy in between.  This period can last for decades, yet the people still prefer electing corrupt leaders than having corrupt leaders imposed on them by the military.  Eventually, after the worst of the inequities have been addressed, eliminating corruption becomes a priority for the voters, which makes it a priority for the politicians.  Look at what is happening in Brazil now.

 

Military coups and military governments have been tried many times since 1932 and haven't eliminated corruption or inequities, in fact they have entrenched these problems and made them part of "Thainess".  Why not give democracy a real chance?

[johng]

1 hour ago, Winniedapu said:

There's an online list of them. It's a group,

 

careful might get confused with this "group"

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2016/08/19/alleged-anti-junta-elderly-militants-denied-bail/

 

Quote

Although long gone in history, Ang Yi  remain alive and well in the law. Section 109 of the Penal Code specifically outlaws Ang Yi and similar organizations. The law defines Ang Yi-like behavior as belonging to a secret society with an intent to break the law

 

[aussieinthailand]

On ‎8‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 2:11 PM, Thaidream said:

It doesn't matter whether I liked the election result or not- the fact is that the prior Thai election was bought and paid for by a very wealthy fugitive and his family and the results of these elections have been disastrous for Thailand.  I don't need the local Thai people to tell me what is so obvious to a discerning eye. However, the Thai people I interact with tell me they are generally better off now than they were with previous Thai elected governments. They would have no reason to withhold their feelings as I am no threat to either side of the argument.

Frankly, Democracy is overrated - look at the US and its election process- where elections are bought by the person and group who has the largest bankroll and then we the minions get to choose whoever is left. I doubt this is what the framers of the US Constitution had in mind.  

Thailand doesn't need to be lectured by a group of foreigners  who can't vote and have no real feel for what the Thai people actually want or believe and don't even understand the history of the country,

The sad fact is that when elections are held in Thailand there will be no positive change if the politicians are allowed to revert back to their greedy and selfish ways- the wealthy will still control the 'democratic process' and the poor will remain poor and uneducated. However, with the Junta looking over their shoulders- some of them may actually try and do something for the country and people. It is the same for the US- it doesn't matter who's in power- nothing ever changes. Ask yourselves about progress in your own countries?  Has the democratic process improved your birth country over the last 10, 20 or 30 years? At least in Thailand, the Junta has given some hope that they will try and facilitate some type of forward progress.

Some thing's you mention in you post I'd agree with 100%, Then there are other comments I thing are 100% wrong...

Not to sure of the Thai you interact with but ok, very different from Thai's I know and the ones I live with, from low  income,  middle income and  high income, all of which have a preferred political group they support.

I haven't herd one of them say they like the junta,  I have herd them say they which political groups they prefer, although politics seems to only be of important around election time and not widely discussed.

Another thing I haven't herd is Thais saying the juntas gaoling of people expressing opinion is a good thing.

No one Thai person I've spoken with has said the junta planed Great fire wall is a good thing, nor have they said they trust the juntas comment that the 30 baht system will be better.

You know there is a reason why the Thai's have great admiration for Thaksin and if you were hounest enough you also know why they admire him and hope for his return.

So to be fair, list the achievement's and failings of the junta, Mark, and Thaksin, and it's not the junta that I hear the Thai like, nor most of the expats.

 

Edited August 22, 2016 by aussieinthailand
typo

[Eligius]

1 hour ago, Thaidream said:

The poster Eligius describes accurately what is happening not only in Thailand but also the United States to a degree. However, in regard to Thailand-it is not because the military has come to power . The 1% -the wealthy control the lives of the 99% the poor and soon to become poor . A succession of 'elected' governments have done nothing for the people working 13 hours per day at minimum wages toiling sometimes 7 days a week. The wealthy buy their way out of jail; continue to pay slave wages to keep the people dependent upon their so called 'largesse'. No politician ever does anything to change it because all politicians want to eat at the trough so they can get richer. How much is ever enough. Elections are bought and paid for by the rich so the rich can continue their exploitation. Look at what is happening in the US? That is supposed to be one of the World's highly developed democracy. Money controls everything.

 

The Thai Junta wants to get money out of politics and return to the barracks where it knows it belongs.  Its promulgation of the new Constitution is written in an attempt to control money politics in which a wealthy meglomaniac can buy office for himself and his family and use the Thai people to get even richer.

 

As mentioned before, I know of no Thai politician that has the knowledge; charisma; and feel for their own people to take on the massive amount of reform that needs to be done to move Thailand and its people forward. I am hopeful someone will emerge on the stage and present a real plan and details that will move Thailand forward and give its people some hope for change. The Coup set the stage- now we shall see if  an elected government can  carry out the needed reforms. The wealthy and elite are not going th give up their positions easily but then again- that is why the military are looking over the shoulders of the next government.

I agree with what you write about the exploitation that is going on in the USA (as well as various other countries): from my own researches, I would say that your words contain a good deal of truth.

I would not share your interpretation of what motivates the Thai junta, however. There - our paths part, I'm afraid ...

[aussieinthailand]

8 minutes ago, Eligius said:

I agree with what you write about the exploitation that is going on in the USA (as well as various other countries): from my own researches, I would say that your words contain a good deal of truth.

I would not share your interpretation of what motivates the Thai junta, however. There - our paths part, I'm afraid ...

Yu'p0 agreed.

The two great motivator's in politic,  money and power.

Now if the junta did have truly honorable intensions for staging the coup and for the country and it's people then sorry but the facts speak for themselves...

Where is the honorable intensions with granting himself and his cohorts full immunity for past present and future???

Where is the honorable intensions gaoling students calling for independent investigation into corruption???

Or the honorable intensions of banning open public debate on the referendum????

And where is the honorable intensions in threatening shooting reporters that keep asking questions he doesn't like?

Or the honorable intensions of the serial breaking of human rights while publicly claiming he always respects people rights and freedoms and then claiming the UN and international community have no problems with the juntas policy's???

[Eligius]

1 minute ago, aussieinthailand said:

Yu'p0 agreed.

The two great motivator's in politic,  money and power.

Now if the junta did have truly honorable intensions for staging the coup and for the country and it's people then sorry but the facts speak for themselves...

Where is the honorable intensions with granting himself and his cohorts full immunity for past present and future???

Where is the honorable intensions gaoling students calling for independent investigation into corruption???

Or the honorable intensions of banning open public debate on the referendum????

And where is the honorable intensions in threatening shooting reporters that keep asking questions he doesn't like?

Or the honorable intensions of the serial breaking of human rights while publicly claiming he always respects people rights and freedoms and then claiming the UN and international community have no problems with the juntas policy's???

Well said, Aussieinthailand. Powerful, eloquent and pertinent points!

[lucky11]

1 hour ago, Eligius said:

Well said, Aussieinthailand. Powerful, eloquent and pertinent points!

 

 You really think so??

[aussieinthailand]

"you really think so??" 

5 hours ago, lucky11 said:

 

 You really think so??

Prove me wrong in just, just one, just one of the statements I have made......   Good luck with that.....

 

 

 

i

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i

[Plutojames88]

This ship sailed with Titanic written on the side a while ago.

 

Its over.

 

The Mother's Day bombings was the first salvo of civil war.

[Plutojames88]

7 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

Yu'p0 agreed.

The two great motivator's in politic,  money and power.

Now if the junta did have truly honorable intensions for staging the coup and for the country and it's people then sorry but the facts speak for themselves...

Where is the honorable intensions with granting himself and his cohorts full immunity for past present and future???

Where is the honorable intensions gaoling students calling for independent investigation into corruption???

Or the honorable intensions of banning open public debate on the referendum????

And where is the honorable intensions in threatening shooting reporters that keep asking questions he doesn't like?

Or the honorable intensions of the serial breaking of human rights while publicly claiming he always respects people rights and freedoms and then claiming the UN and international community have no problems with the juntas policy's???

Immunity doesn't work when mobs arrive with fever pitch anger and the city is burning.

They are more likely to be butchered

[Plutojames88]

The international community no longer support Thailand.

[Squeegee]

On 8/21/2016 at 7:12 PM, Thaidream said:

I would suggest you sit down with a citizen of Thailand and state to that person what you state on this board and see what kind of reaction you get. The average Thai person doesn't care one iota about Ughurs; Southern Extremists; people disagreeing with the Junta and all the other things you mentioned in these posts. They care about how much they can make to care for their families; the price of goods and services and whether the government is providing for their interests. They actually could care less about democracy, voting and all the other things as Westerners you feel are so important.  You don't have to believe me- look around-there are no mobs in the streets protesting this and that; the farmers have a firm price on their rice; tourist numbers are high; Thailand has Olympic Champions: Thais have access to credit and are buying cars at a fast rate; the Government Housing Bank is making funds available for new homes; the middle class is taking vacations all over Thailand.  The only people who have an issue are those in Issan who believe that their savior- a meglomaniac convicted criminal is going to rise like a Phoenix and save them. Ain't gonna happen.... never going to happen. Live with it.

 

This thread shows you to be a time waster with nothing intelligent to say. You are only worthy of being called for what you are, your points are, as I said, unintelligent wastes of time.

 

Unlike you, I can back myself up, so here is the proof:

 

"look around-there are no mobs in the streets protesting this and that"

 

No real content here, only diversion tactics, the same underhand way of going about things as your beloved parasites. People in Thailand are unable to protest, and when they try they get locked up. There is the proof you have nothing intelligent to say.

 

We can predict you will continue to lie and deceive with your propaganda drivel about lack of protests because you are still repeating the lie that the 2011 elections were bought, which is proven false.

 

 

You can't back yourself up and you didn't answer heybruce's points precisely because you have no basis for your position. Just like we can see through the corrupt junta narrative, we also see through you.

 

 

Q. Thaidream, how can you wake up each day and live with the fact you are seen as a failure?

A. Because you are already capable of waking up to greet each day as a morally bankrupt supporter of oppression against your fellow man.

 

Edited August 22, 2016 by Squeegee