snoop1130 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Education Minister says Thai students lack critical thinking and English language skills By Coconuts Bangkok Photo: OBEC When Thai schools ask students to focus on memorizing textbooks and give a free pass to students who write reports by copying text from the internet, Thai education seriously needs a remodeling. Education Minister Dapong Rattanasuwan admitted that there are problems in all aspects of Thai education, particularly issues concerning English proficiency and critical thinking. Speaking during a weekly program called “Thailand Moves Forward,” Dapong revealed results of a recently-conducted study that revealed that academic performances of Thai students in math, science, English and Thai languages are below standard. Full Story: http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/09/02/education-minister-says-thai-students-lack-critical-thinking-and-english-language-skills -- © Copyright Coconuts Bangkok 2016-09-02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 keep them that way now is not the time for them to be asking questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Eureka! Better five decades late than never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Education Minister says "many Thai students lack critical thinking and English language skills " Maybe a little more accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Eureka. New knowledge is a wunnerfull thing. I for one, never even suspected this. A blinding observation. The education system has been doing precisely what it was designed to do for all these years. So now, things will start to change? I thought not. Winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 And whos fault is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 No critical thinking skills?......Change your culture then....Critical thinking requires forming one's own opinion that can involve challenging the teacher. That ain't gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtom Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Why do I get this strange 'deja vue' feeling when I read this article? Now I know, because I read the same comments for ten years every time a Thai official opens his/her mouth about the education system. I know, babysteps, so how about the next babystep forward and start to change something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 No news here...move along please ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 They've been condoning this for years. Now, finally they pipe up? Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 If they had critical thinking skills they certainly wouldnt accept the military controlling their lives nor the constant manure produced from those also severly lacking in critical thinking ability. But then who would there be to believe in ghosts, black magic, karma and lucky numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Students lack English skills. The minister has just found that out, he needs to take his head out of his rear end. Children in Thailand are not encouraged to think, just copy from books and learn parrot fashion. Change the attitude of ministers senior/ education officials, get proper training for the teachers. That would be a start, get properly educated English teachers, not just ones who have no experience/ proper teaching skills. Pay peanuts like what most schools are doing get monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 1 minute ago, colinneil said: Students lack English skills. The minister has just found that out, he needs to take his head out of his rear end. Children in Thailand are not encouraged to think, just copy from books and learn parrot fashion. Change the attitude of ministers senior/ education officials, get proper training for the teachers. That would be a start, get properly educated English teachers, not just ones who have no experience/ proper teaching skills. Pay peanuts like what most schools are doing get monkeys. After 12 years in Thailand, I thought I would have got used to the stupidity. I'm really disappointed not to have got any such thing. Winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Ignorance is bliss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doremifasol Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 A true Master of the frigging obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debate101 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) If Thailand's students overall are "below standard" in Thai language, then who are they being compared to? I would have thought they were the standard. Edited September 2, 2016 by debate101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Reigntax said: If they had critical thinking skills they certainly wouldnt accept the military controlling their lives nor the constant manure produced from those also severly lacking in critical thinking ability. But then who would there be to believe in ghosts, black magic, karma and lucky numbers. "If they had critical thinking skills they certainly wouldnt accept the military controlling their lives" If they had critical thinking skills ... ....they wouldn't have accepted Thaksin as a PM and demagogue .... there wouldn't be redshirts Edited September 2, 2016 by sweatalot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 3 hours ago, debate101 said: If Thailand's students overall are "below standard" in Thai language, then who are they being compared to? I would have thought they were the standard. A well observed point, that is destined to sink in the dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Funny...follow the money trail. as they go out to test what they know and receive the K back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsensam Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 22 minutes ago, Slip said: A well observed point, that is destined to sink in the dross. not really. it means they are failing to achieve a minimum standard in the use of thai. for example, in the uk a child's standard of english is measured by testing and examination as they progress through the educational system, this way those who are failing to achieve the minimum standard can be identified and helped. just because someone is english it doesn't mean they can comminicate in coherent and grammatically correct english - you should hear teenagers and footballers speak to clearly understand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 43 minutes ago, sweatalot said: "If they had critical thinking skills they certainly wouldnt accept the military controlling their lives" If they had critical thinking skills ... ....they wouldn't have accepted Thaksin as a PM and demagogue .... there wouldn't be redshirts There you go. Lack of critical thinking also to be found among foreigners. Like this one. Can only regurgitate what their teeraks tell 'em. Winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, samsensam said: not really. it means they are failing to achieve a minimum standard in the use of thai. for example, in the uk a child's standard of english is measured by testing and examination as they progress through the educational system, this way those who are failing to achieve the minimum standard can be identified and helped. just because someone is english it doesn't mean they can comminicate in coherent and grammatically correct english - you should hear teenagers and footballers speak to clearly understand this. You seek to hide unpalateable facts in a fog of pointless and irrelevant verbiage. The reality is that most Thai language students 'pass' Thai language courses with less than 50%. Mainly on multiple-answer papers where the random answer score would like as not be 25%. Hopeless, they can't even pass their own language. Winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadGeordie Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) Think you are all missing the salient point in the Ministers comments, "Their awareness of national history has also declined," This is clearly a failure of the system, or the educators (can't believe I used that word) or the actions of a third hand. History will show my comments to be correct, subject to amendment by whoever is in control at that moment in time. Edited September 2, 2016 by BigBadGeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BigBadGeordie said: Think you are all missing the salient point in the Ministers comments, "Their awareness of national history has also declined," This is clearly a failure of the system, or the educators (can't believe I used that word) or the actions of a third hand. History will show my comments to be correct, subject to amendment by whoever is in control at that moment in time. What passes for Thai history is a group of hagiographies and a selection of fantasies to help the Thais feel good about themselves and foster a sense of nationalism that the kleptocracy can use to whip up support when required. In fact, Thais have never won a reasonably-sized stouche yet and even lost against a bunch of Laos farmers in the late 1970's - under General Chavalit, Mr Blobby himself. It's all about self-image and feel-good face. As is just about everything in Thailand. Winnie Edited September 2, 2016 by Winniedapu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Since Kindergarden, they are told that Thailand is the greatest country in the world. What is there to improve ? English ? Soon, the PM will declare "Thai" as the premier language of the wold. That will solve 50 % of the problem. The other 50 % of the problem (logical thinking, or the lack thereof ) will not be resolved during our lifetime, unless your age is around 5 years old. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Well, you drill in mindless obedience, play games and never correct or actually try to teach them all day, stifle free speech, lively debate, drum in fear of disagreeing with an elder or any adult, and mind numbness can happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, swissie said: Since Kindergarden, they are told that Thailand is the greatest country in the world. What is there to improve ? English ? Soon, the PM will declare "Thai" as the premier language of the wold. That will solve 50 % of the problem. The other 50 % of the problem (logical thinking, or the lack thereof ) will not be resolved during our lifetime, unless your age is around 5 years old. Cheers. No need to resolve the critical thinking thing at all. The present levels have served the kleptocracy pretty well so far. Winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, Winniedapu said: No need to resolve the critical thinking thing at all. The present levels have served the kleptocracy pretty well so far. Winnie Has served them well over the last 120 years. The few "Elite Family's" will see to it, that nothing fundamental will ever change. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NativeSon360 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Winniedapu said: What passes for Thai history is a group of hagiographies and a selection of fantasies to help the Thais feel good about themselves and foster a sense of nationalism that the kleptocracy can use to whip up support when required. In fact, Thais have never won a reasonably-sized stouche yet and even lost against a bunch of Laos farmers in the late 1970's - under General Chavalit, Mr Blobby himself. It's all about self-image and feel-good face. As is just about everything in Thailand. Winnie Well expressed Now, consider this: In how many other countries (in your travel experience) can you (as an obvious foreigner) walk the streets, alone at night, sloppy-falling-down drunk, in a city the size of Bangkok, and absolutely no group of local menfolk will either accost, or attempt to rob you? That is also a Thai "cultural" phenomenon, well-worth any thinking person's consideration. Wouldn't you agree? Edited September 2, 2016 by NativeSon360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alofthailand Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 2 hours ago, sweatalot said: "If they had critical thinking skills they certainly wouldnt accept the military controlling their lives" If they had critical thinking skills ... ....they wouldn't have accepted Thaksin as a PM and demagogue .... there wouldn't be redshirts on the contrary-it was because they demonstrated thinking skills and good judgement that they had their choice stolen from them at gun point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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