stupidfarang Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I saw today a bank using Windows XP still. Did they not hear about windows 10 and being able to download for free? My thoughts mainly were of security as Microsoft I think is no longer updating XP and it also made me think about overall computer security in the banks. Makes me wonder how safe our money is in the banks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 they have their pet dinosaur, protecting them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HampiK Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Windows 10 is not free upgrade from XP. It's only free for Windows 7 and 8.x. If a Windows XP is not connected to internet, then it's not that dangerous, but probably their computer will have internet and let the stuff play with all the infected webpages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kailung Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Updating won't always make the system more secure + security doesn't solely depend on the system type + there are other ways to boost the security. They will be responsible for ur loss anyway. Windows 10 not good as it's new with a lot of issues that can affect not just the security but also the functionality (kind of why system requires update lol) newest=uncertainty Edited September 14, 2016 by Kailung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupidfarang Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, HampiK said: Windows 10 is not free upgrade from XP. It's only free for Windows 7 and 8.x. If a Windows XP is not connected to internet, then it's not that dangerous, but probably their computer will have internet and let the stuff play with all the infected webpages. yes you are right, had forgotten, XP was great in it day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Maybe those bank PCs are just terminals/front end for SW that runs on mainframe computers/back-office systems. Very unlikely that they are directly connected to the internet or directly process financial data/database. Yes, I would be very concerned if the banks mainframe computers run any Windows Edited September 14, 2016 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupidfarang Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Kailung said: Updating won't always make the system more secure + security doesn't solely depend on the system type + there are other ways to boost the security. They will be responsible for ur loss anyway. Windows 10 not good as it's new with a lot of issues that can affect not just the security but also the functionality (kind of why system requires update lol) Agree about updating and security that is why I do not rely on Microsoft security and use a paid for package from a reputable International security company.. I have upgraded my computers to windows 10 and find it a good programme to use. I did switch off a few of the options as Microsoft wanted to much info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdietz Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Most of these bank PCs connect only to a terminal emulator which most likely hasn't updated since the late '90s and won't run on anything recent. Doesn't matter 'cause the terminal emulator itself connects to an outdated AS/400 or similar, that hasn't been updated since the early '80s Login security is username and password on a post-it note. But it's (or at least we all hope at this point) all intranet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupidfarang Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 I do know one Thai company with offices all over Thailand and they are still on windows 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kailung Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 1 minute ago, stupidfarang said: I do know one Thai company with offices all over Thailand and they are still on windows 7. If a hacker planned well and is familiar with a company's system they can still perform the hacking despite the high level of security. NASA got hacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupidfarang Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said: Maybe those bank PCs are just terminals/front end for SW that runs on mainframe computers/back-office systems. Very unlikely that they are directly connected to the internet or directly process financial data/database. Yes, I would be very concerned if the banks mainframe computers run any Windows Not sure what they are doing, just saw the one terminal screen, I have seen a few bank tellers screens and they appear to be in black and white, maybe it is the software but why not colour? Last time I worked with a Black and White screen and text was over 20 years ago on a Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 17 minutes ago, HampiK said: If a Windows XP is not connected to internet, then it's not that dangerous, I have such a strange feeling that ATM's are connected to the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, Anthony5 said: I have such a strange feeling that ATM's are connected to the internet. I highly doubt that. It would not make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 1 minute ago, stupidfarang said: Not sure what they are doing, just saw the one terminal screen, I have seen a few bank tellers screens and they appear to be in black and white, maybe it is the software but why not colour? Last time I worked with a Black and White screen and text was over 20 years ago on a Mac Until recently the "black and white" screen was a normal sight at Bangkok Bank. The software is age old, BUT you can believe that it is stable/reliable. And for a bank this is no. 1 priority. Seems they now have changed to some more fancy/colorful user interface. I always used command line software for "real" jobs often much more productive than mouse shoving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 1 minute ago, oilinki said: I highly doubt that. It would not make any sense. Then how would a Kasikorn Bank ATM know if your Bangkok Bank ATM card has a balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manfredtillmann Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, Anthony5 said: I have such a strange feeling that ATM's are connected to the internet. atm's using win xp? they 'all' run linux or a derivative... anyone seriously concerned about computer security would not even consider microsoft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Anthony5 said: Then how would a Kasikorn Bank ATM know if your Bangkok Bank ATM card has a balance? They use leased lines, private APN's, forced VPN connections to the Bank's intranet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, manfredtillmann said: atm's using win xp? they 'all' run linux or a derivative... anyone seriously concerned about computer security would not even consider microsoft... I have seen many ATM's run XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manfredtillmann Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Just now, Anthony5 said: I have seen many ATM's run XP tell me how you know, please. and don't talk about your time just after the fall of saigon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) I you need more reason for concern, google for Windows XP at the US Navy. Used in mission critical SW, likely connected to secret databases One of a couple of reports: http://fortune.com/2015/06/24/navy-microsoft-windows-xp/ My pension office still uses 40'000 XP computers at the desks Edited September 14, 2016 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) http://www.computerworld.com/article/2488842/financial-it/most-atms-will-remain-on-windows-xp-after-microsoft-pulls-plug-on-os-support.html It's usually a tailored XP embedded version. I remember a German post stamp vending machine crashing with an XP blue screen. On public displays you might still find Win 9x crash screens. Lately there was a report about a huge such crash screen at Central Pattaya. It's completely naive to think that machine vendors can follow the hasty update cycles of Microsoft. Tremendous effort for development/adaption and testing would be needed which no one will pay for. Edited September 14, 2016 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Wish I could go back to XP, probably the least troublesome of all the Windows operating systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) The Windows crash screen at Central Pattaya. One of the biggest ever seen Edited September 14, 2016 by KhunBENQ http://www.techly.com.au/2016/09/09/thai-sex-city-haunted-giant-blue-screen-death/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, manfredtillmann said: your link dates back to 2014 - and it is incorrect. chew your own... And you have proof that they changed to Linux in two years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Inflammatory posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony5 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 43 minutes ago, manfredtillmann said: tell me how you know, please. and don't talk about your time just after the fall of saigon... Will this do it for you SIR? And you see, no reason to report my posts, only because you can't win. http://www.geckoandfly.com/265/atm-machine-on-windows-xp/ ATM Machine Runs on Microsoft Windows XP Updated: June 14, 2016 Most bank including Citibank, HSBC and more nowadays uses Diebold ATM machines and they uses Microsoft Windows XP to run it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Kailung said: Updating won't always make the system more secure + security doesn't solely depend on the system type + there are other ways to boost the security. They will be responsible for ur loss anyway. I'd like to think they'd be responsible for the loss. But I certainly wouldn't count on it here in Thailand. Nor would I like to think about the difficulty, frustration and time wasted in holding them to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpcoe Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 22 hours ago, manfredtillmann said: atm's using win xp? they 'all' run linux or a derivative... anyone seriously concerned about computer security would not even consider microsoft... 22 hours ago, Anthony5 said: I have seen many ATM's run XP 22 hours ago, manfredtillmann said: tell me how you know, please. and don't talk about your time just after the fall of saigon... About a month ago, I was at an ATM on Jomtien Second Road near the Fabrik restaurant, and it was stuck in a boot loop -- a Windows boot loop. Can't remember the which bank's ATM it was off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xircal Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Microsoft still supports Win XP for business users: http://info.rippleshot.com/blog/windows-xp-still-running-95-percent-atms-world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Never heard of an ATM running Linux but maybe some do; the great, great, great majority run Windows and many, many still run XP. Heck, just last month I saw an ATM which was inop/offline and the screen was showing the words Win XP and logo in the lower corner....and around 6 months ago I saw a refill crew come in, open the back of an ATM and on a small control monitor it said Win XP on it. But just because Microsoft dropped support of XP for home/retails users a copy of years ago, for businesses such as banks with ATMs still running XP which is what they call embedded XP Microsoft still provided support for a couple more years...until early/mid 2016 if you contracted (i.e., paid) for the continued support. Additionally, links between ATM and the bank's network is private/encysted connections which provide banks further control and security for the ATMs. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/gp/lifewinembed http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/08/xp_embedded_atm_security_cutoff_panic/ http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-03/six-things-you-need-to-know-about-atms-and-the-windows-xp-ocalypse.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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