Brexit fallout dominates debate in European Parliament

[webfact]

Brexit fallout dominates debate in European Parliament

 

 

LUXEMBOURG CITY: -- After a speech that aimed to heal the wounds of Brexit, MEPs offered a post-mortem.

 

From the Leave camp, outgoing UKIP leader Nigel Farage said Juncker’s words were likely to have the opposite of the desired effect.

 

“It’s clear there are no lessons that are going to be learned from Brexit, indeed, it was the usual recipe – more Europe.

 

And in this particular case, more military Europe. And it isn’t going to change the rapid growth in opposition parties across the whole of Europe, it isn’t going to stop the central, eastern European countries from saying no to Mrs Merkel’s migrant quotas and I think you’ve got a lot more referendums to look forward to.”

 

Federalist and chief negotiator of Brexit talks for the Parliament, Guy Verhofstadt said Europe must reinvent itself, and called for more integration. Speaking to the populist politicians he said:

 

“They all preach one thing: a false sense of security. They believe that with walls and fences we can solve the problem. How (do) you keep terrorists outside your borders? You can only do that with supra-national policies and supra-national instruments in the future.”

 

The debate was a snapshot of Europe at a turning point and discussions at the Bratislava summit on Friday are likely to be just as frank.

 

 

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[stander]

Referendums have consequences. The vote for Leave happened. That is how democracy works.

[daveAustin]

"Brexit fallout dominates debate"

Of course; they've lost a major backer, Europe's biggest military and the most logical, corporate-savvy voice of the EU. Well, that's what they get when they stick their nose into everything, stifle sovereignty and force millions of immigrants on them!

[Suradit69]

41 minutes ago, stander said:

Referendums have consequences. The vote for Leave happened. That is how democracy works.

 

"That is how democracy works."

 

[SgtRock]

5 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

 

"That is how democracy works."

 

 

Churchill is dead.

 

The most up to date anti democracy soundbite was right there in the OP.

 

2 hours ago, webfact said:

You can only do that with supra-national policies and supra-national instruments in the future.”

 

[Suradit69]

21 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

"Brexit fallout dominates debate"

Of course; they've lost a major backer, Europe's biggest military and the most logical, corporate-savvy voice of the EU. Well, that's what they get when they stick their nose into everything, stifle sovereignty and force millions of immigrants on them!

 

"... stifle sovereignty and force millions of immigrants on them! "

 

Sounds a great deal like how Europeans, Britain in particular, acted toward their former colonies ... sticking their noses into everything, perverting sovereignty and forcing indigenous populations to accept masses of European layabouts who set about plundering the economies.

[fvw53]

2 hours ago, daveAustin said:

"Brexit fallout dominates debate"

Of course; they've lost a major backer, Europe's biggest military and the most logical, corporate-savvy voice of the EU. Well, that's what they get when they stick their nose into everything, stifle sovereignty and force millions of immigrants on them!

 

Military issue : the UK remains like most of EU states a member of NATO

Business and finance :  London will remain the financial capital of Europe

European integration :  the EU will not loose a major backer but a major obstruction ...or are you too you to remember the Margaret Thatcher days?

 

2 hours ago, daveAustin said:

 

 

 

[hEaDy]

2 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

Sounds a great deal like how Europeans, Britain in particular, acted toward their former colonies ... sticking their noses into everything, perverting sovereignty and forcing indigenous populations to accept masses of European layabouts who set about plundering the economies.

 

Have you ever looked into the idea of stepping into the 21st century?

You know, that place where Britain no longer has an empire...

And perhaps, where at least some people have learned from the past rather than remaining in it

[Mansell]

3 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

 

"... stifle sovereignty and force millions of immigrants on them! "

 

Sounds a great deal like how Europeans, Britain in particular, acted toward their former colonies ... sticking their noses into everything, perverting sovereignty and forcing indigenous populations to accept masses of European layabouts who set about plundering the economies.

And that is what you call the balancing of karma.

[lucky11]

5 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

 

"That is how democracy works."

 

 

 Churchill had it sussed out!! This is particularly pertinent for countries such as Thailand - except you don't need the conversation.

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

 

"... stifle sovereignty and force millions of immigrants on them! "

 

Sounds a great deal like how Europeans, Britain in particular, acted toward their former colonies ... sticking their noses into everything, perverting sovereignty and forcing indigenous populations to accept masses of European layabouts who set about plundering the economies.

 

And that includes the former French and British colonies and their European migrants in North America of course. Not to mention the Spanish whose former colonials are not intent on re-conquering the US.

[Baerboxer]

Standard reaction from the federalists. 

 

We must get control back quickly, or other people might get notions of free will. Best get the EU Army HQ set up quickly so enforcers are available. Need to tighten the noose and strangle notions of non federalism, non centralism or rises in nationalism and independent thinking.

 

Stalin would be proud of them.

 

 

[Xircal]

10 hours ago, daveAustin said:

"Brexit fallout dominates debate"

Of course; they've lost a major backer, Europe's biggest military and the most logical, corporate-savvy voice of the EU. Well, that's what they get when they stick their nose into everything, stifle sovereignty and force millions of immigrants on them!

 

One of the fundamental principles of EU is free movement of people. Many Brits retired abroad to places like Spain and Portugal. Others went to work in Germany and still more came to live in the Netherlands.

 

Nobody forced anyone to go and live in the UK. Those that did who were members of other EU countries were just exercising their legal rights to live anywhere within the EU if they wished.

 

The same rule will apply when Brexit actually takes place and the UK leaves the EU, but still wants to retain access to the single market of 500 million people in order to continue passporting financial services as well as other goods and services.

 

Talk of limiting numbers wanting to live in the UK as part of the deal is just a pipe dream. There are a set of rules which the UK will have to abide by or risk losing access to the single market. It might adopt a calvalier attitude and try to go it alone, but in the end it will be investors who will force a rethink and finally a U-turn.

 

It wouldn't surprise me even if in 10 years time Britain re-applies to join the EU. But don't expect the same conditions to apply a second time around. One of the prerequisites which will apply will be the requirement to drop the £ and join the €. Good luck with that.

 

[Suradit69]

On 9/15/2016 at 8:37 AM, SgtRock said:

 

Churchill is dead.

 

The most up to date anti democracy soundbite was right there in the OP.

 

 

" Churchill is dead"

 

I think you just proved Churchill's comment and it didn't even take 5 minutes.

[dick dasterdly]

On 9/15/2016 at 8:27 AM, Suradit69 said:

 

"That is how democracy works."

 

Churchill was a politician and (largely) wartime leader.  He had his faults, but has been turned into a hero as if he was single handedly responsible for winning the war.....

 

The problem with this sort of comment is that you can pretty much guarantee that both sides discussing something on which they disagree - is that both sides come away thinking the other is wrong, and their opinion unworthy of consideration.

[7by7]

Churchill also said

Quote

Many forms of Government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

 

 

[7by7]

On ‎9‎/‎15‎/‎2016 at 8:08 AM, daveAustin said:

"Brexit fallout dominates debate"

Of course; they've lost a major backer, Europe's biggest military and the most logical, corporate-savvy voice of the EU. Well, that's what they get when they stick their nose into everything, stifle sovereignty and force millions of immigrants on them!

 

Who has forced millions of immigrants on whom? Do you mean the UK has forced the over 1 million British citizens currently exercising their treaty rights in other EEA states onto those states?

 

Maybe you mean British citizens who used those treaty rights so their EEA national spouse can live in the UK with them without having to go through the lengthy and expensive process those of us who married, for example, a Thai had to go through; people like Nigel Farage!

 

Perhaps you mean British citizens who employ EEA nationals instead of British nationals; oops, that's Nigel Farage again!

[SgtRock]

3 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

" Churchill is dead"

 

I think you just proved Churchill's comment and it didn't even take 5 minutes.

 

I think by ignoring half my post, you made yourself look rather foolish

 

On 9/15/2016 at 6:03 AM, webfact said:

You can only do that with supra-national policies and supra-national instruments in the future.”

 

As another poster pointed out. Try dragging yourself into the 21st Century.

 

It might be that you are happy for the EU to turn into a Federal Superstate. There are millions who are not happy with that prospect.

[7by7]

SgtRock, the full quote is

Quote

Federalist and chief negotiator of Brexit talks for the Parliament, Guy Verhofstadt said Europe must reinvent itself, and called for more integration. Speaking to the populist politicians he said:

 

“They all preach one thing: a false sense of security. They believe that with walls and fences we can solve the problem. How (do) you keep terrorists outside your borders? You can only do that with supra-national policies and supra-national instruments in the future.”

 So he is arguing for a federal super state; are you saying that you agree with him?