Changing Marriage Visa to Retirement

[churchill]

1st Thanks in advance and sorry if the post is slightly muddled .. I feel slightly muddled !

 

Last time I renewed my visa based on marriage I was told I had to change from Type B to Type O 

 

The only way to change to type O was to leave the country .

 

OK .. So I have organised a trip to the UK , which I wanted to do anyway .. leaving in 3 weeks .

 

The last time I went for 90 Day reporting I wanted to double check what I was doing and to get a re-entry stamp . 

 

The Samui immigration seemed very confused and asked who had told me to do this but eventually decided I didn't need a re-entry stamp and that i should apply in the UK for a 90 day Visa and then apply in Thailand for a retirement visa instead of a marriage visa  .. 

 

OK .. So I have to prepare funds .. for 3 months 800,000 Baht .

 

I sent 2 emails to theThai  Embassy in the UK asking what documents if any they need to issue a 90 day Visa ... With no response .

 

I have printed out the forms from the UK web site and most of the questions seem not to apply .. although they say the application will not be accepted if not filled out correctly .

 

I don't imagine it will be too complicated but I have to make day trips to the Embassy in London to submit the forms and then another trip to pick up my passport hopefully with the correct 90 Visa so I want to make sure I have any information before I leave .. bank statements , photos , tabien bahn , marriage certificate , birth certificate of my daughter .. or whatever . As normal I expect whatever I take they will want something else .. so I want to be prepared .

 

Anything that is incorrect or advice with the above 

 

Thanks

 

 

[elviajero]

You will have no problem getting a Single or Multiple Entry Non 'O' visa based on marriage from the UK Embassy with copies of your Marriage certificate, Wife's ID/Tabien Baan. No financials required.

 

It is not clear on what your current permission to stay is based on.

1. Have you already changed from a Non 'B' to Non 'O' visa?
2. Do you currently have a 1 year extension based on marriage from your local immigration office?

[ubonjoe]

This is what this page on the embassy website states. http://thaiembassyuk.org.uk/?q=node/49

 

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Non-Immigrant Type O

Certificate of Marriage or its equivalents (if married to Thai national)

a copy of marriage certificate,a copy of Thai passport/a copy of Thai ID of spouse and (3 months bank statement showing monthly income of more than £1,400 anuually.)

Ignore the part about the income proof. It is an error and they do not ask for it.

There is only one form that you use and it is this one. http://thaiembassyuk.org.uk/Consular/Form/visaapplication15.pdf

[churchill]

Hi Thanks

 

RE 

 

1. I am still on a Non B

2. Yes I have a current 1 Year Visa based on Marriage until January 2017

 

So what documents do I need to take .. Just as you say  3 ? Marriage Certificate , Wife's ID , Her Tabien Bahn 

 

Thanks

 

 

[churchill]

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

This is what this page on the embassy website states. http://thaiembassyuk.org.uk/?q=node/49

 

Ignore the part about the income proof. It is an error and they do not ask for it.

There is only one form that you use and it is this one. http://thaiembassyuk.org.uk/Consular/Form/visaapplication15.pdf

 

 

thanks 

 

So Samui Immigration advice to change from marriage to retirement correct ? 

 

They said easier as long as I have the 800,000 funds 

[Lite Beer]

How can you have a Non Imm B Visa and An extension based on Marriage?

You cannot have both.

Looks to me like you have a 12 month extension based on marriage.

Your Visa died long ago.

 

There is no need to get a Non Imm O visa.

Just apply again at Immigration for an extension based on retirement

[churchill]

1 minute ago, Lite Beer said:

How can you have a Non Imm B Visa and An extension based on Marriage?

You cannot have both.

Looks to me like you have a 12 month extension based on marriage.

Your Visa died long ago.

 

I don't know but I have a Non Imm B visa and I have been getting an extension based on Marriage but was told last year this was no longer possible so I needed to change to O visa

[Lite Beer]

Your Visa expired long ago and you have been getting extensions based on Marriage.

Next time just change the reason to retirement.

 

I realise you are dealing with Samui Immigration who are an odd bunch at the best of times.

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, churchill said:

Hi Thanks

 

RE 

 

1. I am still on a Non B

2. Yes I have a current 1 Year Visa based on Marriage until January 2017

 

So what documents do I need to take .. Just as you say  3 ? Marriage Certificate , Wife's ID , Her Tabien Bahn 

 

Thanks

 

 

1. They seem to giving you a bunch of nonsense about needing a non-o visa entry instead of the entry from a non-b you have already extended. All that is required is a non immigrant visa entry. The rules do not specify the category needed to apply for an extension.

 You certainly will not want a re-entry permit if you plan on getting a new visa. You can leave at any time before your extension ends.

Marriage certificate plus a copy. Signed copies of you wife's house book registry and ID card.

 

[elviajero]

7 minutes ago, Lite Beer said:

Your Visa expired long ago and you have been getting extensions based on Marriage.

Next time just change the reason to retirement.

 

I realise you are dealing with Samui Immigration who are an odd bunch at the best of times.

You are right, but it has been reported before that Immigration (don't know which office/s) won't grant an extension of stay based on retirement if the Non Immigrant Visa used for the original entry was a category 'B'.

[elviajero]

16 minutes ago, churchill said:

thanks 

 

So Samui Immigration advice to change from marriage to retirement correct ? 

 

They said easier as long as I have the 800,000 funds 

There is less paperwork required for an extension based on retirement, but it is your choice whether to apply based on marriage or retirement. If you do want to stay using marriage make sure you have less than 800K in the bank or certified income of less than 65K pm.

 

Immigration prefer processing retirement applications simply because it's less work/paperwork for them.

[churchill]

12 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

1. They seem to giving you a bunch of nonsense about needing a non-o visa entry instead of the entry from a non-b you have already extended. All that is required is a non immigrant visa entry. The rules do not specify the category needed to apply for an extension.

 You certainly will not want a re-entry permit if you plan on getting a new visa. You can leave at any time before your extension ends.

Marriage certificate plus a copy. Signed copies of you wife's house book registry and ID card.

 

OK Thanks

[Lite Beer]

Bear in mind that Samui will require you to undergo a full medical at Nathon Hospital when you apply for the extension.
Not required anywhere else.

[churchill]

7 minutes ago, Lite Beer said:

Bear in mind that Samui will require you to undergo a full medical at Nathon Hospital when you apply for the extension.
Not required anywhere else.

 

Yes no problem .. I asked about this ... It is not necessary to use Nathon Hospital ..

 

and I'm sure requirements for the medical will change from time to time 

[Toscano]

The Thai visa in respect of marriage , requires a multitude of documents proving that you and your wife live together and there seem to be additional documents every year .

You also have to have a letter from the British consulate in Bangkok showing your income exceeding Bt40,000 every month or you must have Bt400,000 deposited in the bank for 3 months .  I would recommend that if you have no problem with the Bt800,000 deposit , go for the retirement visa , far fewer documents , no proof of marriage , a quick in and out each year at immigration .  Further if the marriage doesn't work out , you can move out and live independently without any bother .

[phuketjock]

1 hour ago, Toscano said:

The Thai visa in respect of marriage , requires a multitude of documents proving that you and your wife live together and there seem to be additional documents every year .

You also have to have a letter from the British consulate in Bangkok showing your income exceeding Bt40,000 every month or you must have Bt400,000 deposited in the bank for 3 months .  I would recommend that if you have no problem with the Bt800,000 deposit , go for the retirement visa , far fewer documents , no proof of marriage , a quick in and out each year at immigration .  Further if the marriage doesn't work out , you can move out and live independently without any bother .

 

There is NO visa in respect of marriage OR retirement they are extensions NOT VISAS.

You have no idea the confusion you are causing people by using the wrong terminology.

[ubonjoe]

1 hour ago, Toscano said:

The Thai visa in respect of marriage , requires a multitude of documents proving that you and your wife live together and there seem to be additional documents every year .

You also have to have a letter from the British consulate in Bangkok showing your income exceeding Bt40,000 every month or you must have Bt400,000 deposited in the bank for 3 months .  I would recommend that if you have no problem with the Bt800,000 deposit , go for the retirement visa , far fewer documents , no proof of marriage , a quick in and out each year at immigration .  Further if the marriage doesn't work out , you can move out and live independently without any bother .

Not sure what a multitude of documents  means. I just did a quick count of what I submit and only see 6 more than what is needed for an extension based upon retirement are and I already have the them saved so all I need to do is print them out. I have done 9 extensions based upon marriage and have only been asked for one additional document and that was 4 years ago when they first asked for a Kor Ror 2.

The money only has to be in the bank for 2 months for an extension based upon marriage.

[Liquorice]

You only need a single entry 90 day Non Imm O Visa from the Thai Embassy in the UK.

During the last 30 days of that Visa you can apply for an extension of stay based on retirement at your Immigration office.

The 800,000 baht must be deposited in a Thai bank for 2 months before the date of the first application, 3 months thereafter.

[Suradit69]

18 hours ago, churchill said:

Hi Thanks

 

RE 

 

1. I am still on a Non B

2. Yes I have a current 1 Year Visa based on Marriage until January 2017

 

So what documents do I need to take .. Just as you say  3 ? Marriage Certificate , Wife's ID , Her Tabien Bahn 

 

Thanks

 

 

"1. I am still on a Non B

2. Yes I have a current 1 Year Visa based on Marriage until January 2017"

 

You are either here on a visa entry or on an extension of stay based on marriage. You can't have both. If you have a one year extension, that would be an extension of your permission to stay, not an extension of the visa you used to enter the country.

[churchill]

1 hour ago, Faz said:

You only need a single entry 90 day Non Imm O Visa from the Thai Embassy in the UK.

During the last 30 days of that Visa you can apply for an extension of stay based on retirement at your Immigration office.

The 800,000 baht must be deposited in a Thai bank for 2 months before the date of the first application, 3 months thereafter.

 

 

 

 

Thanks .. I didn't realise I needed the 800,000 only for 2 months rather than 3  on the 1 st application .. That is useful .

[churchill]

55 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

"1. I am still on a Non B

2. Yes I have a current 1 Year Visa based on Marriage until January 2017"

 

You are either here on a visa entry or on an extension of stay based on marriage. You can't have both. If you have a one year extension, that would be an extension of your permission to stay, not an extension of the visa you used to enter the country.

 

 

Yes an extension of permission to stay ..

[Songlaw]

Neither is a bargain, but the Retirement Extension is mercifully tied to no one but you. This should be a big 'selling point' in LOS, the Land of Shifting (Earth).