Yingluck’s lawyer condemns asset seizure order

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Yingluck’s lawyer condemns asset seizure order

Olarn Lertrattanadamrongkul
The Nation

 

Says only a court should make such a ruling, while commerce officials appear reluctant to sign the order for seizures related to the rice scheme’s huge losses

 

BANGKOK: -- THE LAWYER for former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra has lambasted the junta over its order that enables asset seizures connected to the rice-pledging scheme without court rulings. 

"It's illegitimate and unfair," Noppadon Laothong said yesterday about the order recently issued by National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) chief General Prayut Chan-o-cha. 

 

Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Yinglucks-lawyer-condemns-asset-seizure-order-30295632.html

 

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[BSJ]

She was foolhardy to say the least, now she has to make good in some small way.  Don't feel sorry for her.  Remember the trips to Paris with umpteen suitcases not inspected by border officials because she had diplomatic immunity.  You could bet you bottom dollar some were stuffed with money....the ill gotten gains now sitting in an account in a discreet bank.

[trogers]

I wonder about the asset value of those fungi farms...

 

Perhaps more can be grown while in detention.

[metisdead]

Please use discretion in your references to the government. Phrases which can be considered as anti-coup will be removed. Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/878797-updated-notice-to-members-posting-in-thailand-news/

 

 

Another post with an intentional misspelling of Yingluck's name has been removed, if you do not want your post to be removed, spell people's names correctly. 

 

[ezzra]

Not sure she will have any real assets worth seizing, as by now most have been well hidden

or sent out the country anticipating the worse, and if she didn't do that, that she deserves

the seizure.... 

[Chris Lawrence]

So Yingluck didn't take the offer: "Tell the folks at home what a good job we're doing. Take our offer!" All she had to do was be their pal. from Catch-22.

[smedly]

seizure - after a court ruling they may be unseized

 

be interesting to see just what they are able to seize and how much has left the country

[Kasset Tak]

Asset seizure is normal in many countries, the problem in Thailand is that they wait for the court ruling and then try seize the assets... when they have already left the country.

Look at Kim Dotcom, he even have had problem with hiring lawyers because of American courts ordering the seizure of his assets around the world. Thai court and police just don't have the same power outside Thailand that US courts and police has outside US... just look at  Wirapol Sukphol, the Jet Set Monk that's hiding in plain view in US! 

[halloween]

Hopefully any assets seized will go directly to reducing the accrued debt from her scam. Post article say 16 years to pay off, current annual payment B39 billion plus B20 billion interest.

[DeaconJohn]

Spot on.

I just read that - presumably credible - information this morning.

Vote buying schemes aren't new to Thailand, but the Shinawatra clan took them to mind-boggling new levels.

[jonclark]

Gentlemen, can we focus on the article and not get sidelined into the rights / wrongs of Taksin and how that translates or is interpreted as justification for action against his sister. 

 

The issue with this order is not whom it is directed at, but the nature of the order. That the government has granted itself the power judge, jury and executioner, against its enemies. (I use the term enemies as I assume the previous government wasn't removed because they were viewed positively).  

 

 By sidelining the entire legal system the government clearly has shown that this is a political witch hunt. And lets not forget the government has granted itself immunity from future prosecution as a handy little caveat. 

 

If you agree with the actions then consider if you would feel as agreeable if a future government aligned to the shinawatras old power cliche were to grant itself similar powers?  

 

In a nutshell this discussion should be able whether governments should be allowed to steamroller the legal framework of a country for their own political goals, or should the legal system (for all it misgivings and wrongs) be the framework by which all citizens are tried under? And is enshrined in all previous Thai Constitutions. You decide. 

[aussieinthailand]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

Not sure she will have any real assets worth seizing, as by now most have been well hidden

or sent out the country anticipating the worse, and if she didn't do that, that she deserves

the seizure.... 

"and if she didn't do that then she deserves the seizure..."   Because they have ordered the seizure she then has left her assets here.

So if she actually did do that you would have no problem then?

[sharecropper]

54 minutes ago, DeaconJohn said:

That sums it up.

 

Unfortunately it does not sum up the rampant corruption (or utter incompetence, if you wish to be charitable) in other areas of the Thai Elite feeding trough, particularly on some questionable Airship and bomb detector spending and unusual wealth generally among moderately-paid military types. 

Where's the accountability there?

[Thailand]

Guess what is going to happen when power eventually passes out of the hands of the military.

[Jimbo2014]

Id date her if she had no money.

[aussieinthailand]

2 hours ago, Kasset Tak said:

Asset seizure is normal in many countries, the problem in Thailand is that they wait for the court ruling and then try seize the assets... when they have already left the country.

Look at Kim Dotcom, he even have had problem with hiring lawyers because of American courts ordering the seizure of his assets around the world. Thai court and police just don't have the same power outside Thailand that US courts and police has outside US... just look at  Wirapol Sukphol, the Jet Set Monk that's hiding in plain view in US! 

"Asset seizure is normal in many countries,"    Well I believe that freezing assets would be far more "normal" and then after a full independent investigation is complete with accounting of proof of direct self enriching/illegal profits and court ruling then and only then can assets be seized, but hey maybe in your country and Thailand, what ever.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts about Thaksin have been removed as well as the replies. 

[coma]

Karma is a b!t๔h. 

[aussieinthailand]

25 minutes ago, sharecropper said:

 

Unfortunately it does not sum up the rampant corruption (or utter incompetence, if you wish to be charitable) in other areas of the Thai Elite feeding trough, particularly on some questionable Airship and bomb detector spending and unusual wealth generally among moderately-paid military types. 

Where's the accountability there?

Breaking news.  Selected falangs invited for Attitude Adjustments".  but only for those with the opinions that don't just love us to bitt's regardless of the things we do to the country and it's plebe's, OOpps I meant people,  sorry my bad.

[Cuchulainn]

Here are some fact's. You know the use of an apostrophe, Mike! 

[mercman24]

just wondering if any new elected "legitimate" government can make article 44 redundant and bring a article 45 lol !! well this lot made up rules as they went along

[dieseldave1951]

1 hour ago, Thailand said:

Guess what is going to happen when power eventually passes out of the hands of the military.

it NEVER will !!!!!!!!

[Krataiboy]

6 hours ago, BSJ said:

She was foolhardy to say the least, now she has to make good in some small way.  Don't feel sorry for her.  Remember the trips to Paris with umpteen suitcases not inspected by border officials because she had diplomatic immunity.  You could bet you bottom dollar some were stuffed with money....the ill gotten gains now sitting in an account in a discreet bank.

 

 

Don't let your personal feelings overwhelm the issue here, which is about being innocent until you are proven guilty. Even in Thailand, this is generally accepted to be the status quo.

[elgordo38]

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

Not sure she will have any real assets worth seizing, as by now most have been well hidden

or sent out the country anticipating the worse, and if she didn't do that, that she deserves

the seizure.... 

Joan of Arc she is not nor a Sitting Duck. She should have known that the deck was stacked against her and put legs underneath her bahts. More than likely her brother has a power of attorney for all her assets and just pushed a few buttons. Its the same thing that governments around the world are trying to accomplish power of attorney over your money and mine. Zap its gone.

[elgordo38]

1 hour ago, Thailand said:

Guess what is going to happen when power eventually passes out of the hands of the military.

Nevvvver happen. A puppet prime minister will be kept on a short military leash as window dressing. I.E. Burma

[Songlaw]

47 minutes ago, dieseldave1951 said:

it NEVER will !!!!!!!!

 

Oh yes it will. Ineptitude of this magnitude never goes unrewarded. In other words, count on it.

[Squeegee]

4 hours ago, halloween said:

Hopefully any assets seized will go directly to reducing the accrued debt from her scam.

 

And your choice of the word "hopefully" says more about you than it even does about them.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, jonclark said:

Gentlemen, can we focus on the article and not get sidelined into the rights / wrongs of Taksin and how that translates or is interpreted as justification for action against his sister. 

 

The issue with this order is not whom it is directed at, but the nature of the order. That the government has granted itself the power judge, jury and executioner, against its enemies. (I use the term enemies as I assume the previous government wasn't removed because they were viewed positively).  

 

 By sidelining the entire legal system the government clearly has shown that this is a political witch hunt. And lets not forget the government has granted itself immunity from future prosecution as a handy little caveat. 

 

If you agree with the actions then consider if you would feel as agreeable if a future government aligned to the shinawatras old power cliche were to grant itself similar powers?  

 

In a nutshell this discussion should be able whether governments should be allowed to steamroller the legal framework of a country for their own political goals, or should the legal system (for all it misgivings and wrongs) be the framework by which all citizens are tried under? And is enshrined in all previous Thai Constitutions. You decide. 

 

So no governments around the world seize assets as a preventative measure to stop people hiding them whilst investigations, court cases, and deliberations are ongoing. Some mask this through various judicial systems. 

Here, the court processes are so low that lawyers can play smoke and mirrors and delay, delay, delay and then say oh dear statute of limitations have expired.

 

More witch hunt crap. Poor sweet little YL. Blx - she was part of a massive scam that has defrauded the country of billions seemingly as she either can't or is unwilling to proved accounts and explain where the money all went. An appalling example of willful negligence. At be sensible, what do you think was in a lot of the huge amount of cases she and her relations took on travels to Europe?

 

What is annoying is the whilst we mere mortals have to suffer the near Gestapo tactics the banks now apply on sources of wealth, control of fund movements and cash transactions, scum like this still apparently can launder at will. The rules just don't apply to billionaires.

[CGW]

5 hours ago, halloween said:

Hopefully any assets seized will go directly to reducing the accrued debt from her scam. Post article say 16 years to pay off, current annual payment B39 billion plus B20 billion interest.

We see this a lot in the mainstream media, USA national debt, money owed from "pledges etc, who exactly is this money owed to- anybody? If its the "banks" they seem to be doing rather well out of it

[jonclark]

10 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So no governments around the world seize assets as a preventative measure to stop people hiding them whilst investigations, court cases, and deliberations are ongoing. Some mask this through various judicial systems. 

Here, the court processes are so low that lawyers can play smoke and mirrors and delay, delay, delay and then say oh dear statute of limitations have expired.

 

 

 

Governments around the world do seize assets, but this is done with the consent and understanding of the courts and most of the governments that do this are still legally bound by their actions to ensure the governments remain accountable. That is not the case here! 

 

It is not done outside of the legal system, in a unilateral fashion against political opponents with absolutely no independent oversight. 

 

You are correct that the legal system here is poor and it needs urgent reform and renovation. But that does not make it obsolete, surely you can see that?  Going outside of the legal framework in this fashion means any 'conclusion' that is ultimately arrived at will have no legal basis whatsoever. However, judging by the rest of your post it is clear that you see 'revenge' as the primary motivation here not accountability and the rule of law - as the law has been sidestepped and made irrelevent. 

 

As for what was in her suitcases, clearly it was money, that was the answer you were fishing for. Although neither you, nor I have any evidence of that, that must be the only possible reason she and her family took so many suitcases, right?