Charlotte shooting: family releases video of Keith L Scott's last moments

[DM07]

He had some kind of sickness and just received medication.

The cops who claimed, they found a gun, have so far not presented any evidence of it!

With the current police "situation" in the States, I am assuming, they are making stuff up, to shield another trigger happy cop!

But you are right: further investigation would be needed- I doubt, it will happen and be unbiased!

[craftyone]

25 minutes ago, DM07 said:

He had some kind of sickness and just received medication.

The cops who claimed, they found a gun, have so far not presented any evidence of it!

With the current police "situation" in the States, I am assuming, they are making stuff up, to shield another trigger happy cop!

But you are right: further investigation would be needed- I doubt, it will happen and be unbiased!

 

Supposedly he suffered from brain damage in an accident and had some problems communicating.

 

The CoP is telling reporters that a gun was seized at the scene.

 

There is also a news video claiming this as well.

 

Edited September 24, 2016 by craftyone
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[Ulysses G.]

22 minutes ago, DM07 said:

 

The cops who claimed, they found a gun, have so far not presented any evidence of it!

 

 

I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I have not seen anything to support that. Do you have a credible link?

[craftyone]

7 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

 

I have read that Scott had numerous arrests and convictions with firearms including a 2005 conviction in Texas of Aggrated Assault with a Deadly Weapon. 

 

 

His arrest (conviction) record consists of carrying a concealed weapon, simple assault, contributing to the delinquency of a minor,  misdemeanor assault with a deadly weapon, evading arrest, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and driving while intoxicated

[Ulysses G.]

18 minutes ago, craftyone said:

 

The CoP is telling reporters that a gun was seized at the scene.

 

There is also a news video claiming this as well.

 

 

Correct. There is a photo of the gun at the scene. It is starting to look like another Black Lives Matter screw up.

 

Scott's family has repeatedly said he did not have a gun. Instead, according to the family, he had a book. That's not the case, according to CMPD Chief Kerr Putney. "I can tell you a weapon was seized, a handgun," Putney said, "I can also tell you we did not find a book that has been made referenced to."

Edited September 24, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[ClutchClark]

28 minutes ago, DM07 said:

He had some kind of sickness and just received medication.

The cops who claimed, they found a gun, have so far not presented any evidence of it!

With the current police "situation" in the States, I am assuming, they are making stuff up, to shield another trigger happy cop!

But you are right: further investigation would be needed- I doubt, it will happen and be unbiased!

 

Are you saying his new medication resulted in the deceased acting irrationally?

 

 

[ClutchClark]

6 minutes ago, craftyone said:

 

His arrest (conviction) record consists of carrying a concealed weapon, simple assault, contributing to the delinquency of a minor,  misdemeanor assault with a deadly weapon, evading arrest, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and driving while intoxicated

 

Quite a guy.

 

Lengthy records show patterns of behavior including:

Past weapons violations.

Past Assault.

 

no stretch of the imagination to see him carrying a weapon and/or behaving aggressively.

 

 

 

[craftyone]

20 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Correct. There is a photo of the gun at the scene. It is starting to look like another Black Lives Matter screw up.

 

Scott's family has repeatedly said he did not have a gun. Instead, according to the family, he had a book. That's not the case, according to CMPD Chief Kerr Putney. "I can tell you a weapon was seized, a handgun," Putney said, "I can also tell you we did not find a book that has been made referenced to."

 

As well, it is being reported fingerprints, blood and DNA that matched with Scott were also found on the loaded weapon.

[craftyone]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

What I said is they thought they were approaching somebody else.

 

Correct, initially the officers were looking for a suspect with an outstanding warrant when officers saw Scott exiting a car while holding a handgun, then returning to his vehicle, then exiting again as officers approached him.  I haven't seen any reports if the unrelated suspect was actually identified and/or apprehinded.

[ClutchClark]

Has anyone heard if the deceased ex-con,  Scott, was wearing an ankle holster at the time he was shot?

[craigt3365]

16 hours ago, DM07 said:

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence!

I am NOT going to google anything!

Clutch Clark brought up that strawman...so...I am waiting!

Seems JDGRUEN did your research for you.  Clark, you're off the hook!

[craigt3365]

4 hours ago, DM07 said:

Rumor has it, he did NOT have a gun!

Rumors don't cut it.  Nor do conspiracy theories.

[NongKhaiKid]

31 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

Has anyone heard if the deceased ex-con,  Scott, was wearing an ankle holster at the time he was shot?

BBC is reporting that he supposedly did.

[ClutchClark]

Charlotte police have released a body cam of the incident. It shows irrational behavior on the part of Scott, a repeated failure to follow police orders to drop the gun and Scott exiting the vehicle.

 

BBC says police observed a firearm and marijuana in Kieth Scotts possession. He was wearing a holster and the holster fit the gun found with his DNA and fingerprints. 

 

The wife says he suffered a Traumatic Brain Injury one year earlier in a motorcycle accident and was taking medication. Court records indicate he was a convicted felon in Texas and not allowed to legally own a gun. Both of these facts begs the question why was this black male in possession of a firearm? His family should have prevented this illegal and dangerous behavior. Sadly they did not and a police officer must now live with the fact he had to take a mans life in the line of duty.

 

What is the fascination african-american males have with drugs and firearms?

[NongKhaiKid]

23 minutes ago, NongKhaiKid said:

BBC is reporting that he supposedly did.

Most recent report from the BBC says the police have released photographs showing a gun, an ankle holster and a marijuana butt. 

[dcutman]

 

It sure does not look like he had a gun in his hand.  Definitely did not appear like he made any sort of threatening movements. The fact he was slowly walking backwards,  he was being very cautious not to appear aggressive or threatening.

In my eyes this man was summarily executed by the Charlotte police. 

Link to body cam footage

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article103995546.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2016 by dcutman

[ClutchClark]

2 minutes ago, dcutman said:

 

It sure does not look like he had a gun in his hand.  Definitely did not appear like he made any sort of threatening movements. The fact he was slowly walking backwards,  he was being very cautious not to appear aggressive or threatening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The police witnessed him rolling a marijuana blunt and in posession of a handgun. When he exited the vehicle he did not follow police orders. Instead he moved away from police and in the direction of the community. Police rightfully were concerned Scott would pose a threat to that community. 

 

Why don't these black males act in a rational manner and follow police orders and why do they so often have drugs and firearms? The culture of the black community can be seen in any number of rap videos--drugs, violence, firearms are glorified. The ministers and civic leaders of these communities need to change that narrative.

[dcutman]

55 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

The police witnessed him rolling a marijuana blunt and in posession of a handgun. When he exited the vehicle he did not follow police orders. Instead he moved away from police and in the direction of the community. Police rightfully were concerned Scott would pose a threat to that community. 

 

Why don't these black males act in a rational manner and follow police orders and why do they so often have drugs and firearms? The culture of the black community can be seen in any number of rap videos--drugs, violence, firearms are glorified. The ministers and civic leaders of these communities need to change that narrative.

The man was moving backward to the police standing behind him. The cop that supposedly shot him was looking at the back of Scott. What orders did he not follow? Did you see a gun in his hand?

Even if he did have a gun on him, did he make any sort of threatening movements to police?

[ClutchClark]

Just now, dcutman said:

The man was moving backward to the police standing behind him. The cop that supposedly shot him was looking at the back of Scott. What orders did he not follow? Did you see a gun in his hand?

Even if he did have a gun on him, did he make any sort of threatening movements to police?

 

The police do not have to wait for a bad guy with a gun to point a gun at them before they fire at the bad guy. 

 

The failure of an armed assailant to follow police commands and disarm is sufficient threat. 

 

The dead guy made many choices in the years and days and minutes that led up to this moment he was shot. He is responsible for his poor decision making process. His family is responsible. The police have no control over the decisions a drug-fueled person makes when he chooses to posess a firearm. 

[craigt3365]

Come on guys, you're ruining all the fun for the conspiracy theorists! 

[Strange]

4 minutes ago, dcutman said:

The man was moving backward to the police standing behind him. The cop that supposedly shot him was looking at the back of Scott. What orders did he not follow? Did you see a gun in his hand?

Even if he did have a gun on him, did he make any sort of threatening movements to police?

 

So you can be a convicted felon, in possession of drugs, and a firearm, exit your vehicle holding your gun, walk like you don't give a sh*t, refuse to "drop the gun!!!" with several police with guns drawn telling you to, and what? The cops are supposed to wait for threatening movements? Cant shoot until he shoots first? It does not work like that. The man made decisions in his life, that lead to this conclusion. 

[dcutman]

58 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

The police do not have to wait for a bad guy with a gun to point a gun at them before they fire at the bad guy. 

 

The failure of an armed assailant to follow police commands and disarm is sufficient threat. 

 

The dead guy made many choices in the years and days and minutes that led up to this moment he was shot. He is responsible for his poor decision making process. His family is responsible. The police have no control over the decisions a drug-fueled person makes when he chooses to posess a firearm. 

You are 100% wrong about that and rather sick for thinking so. Police most certainly do have to be in fear of their life before taking deadly action. It is very clear the man made no posture that he was going to harm them, and all the police (4) had very good cover behind vehicles.

 

 

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, dcutman said:

You are 100% wrong about that and rather sick for thinking so. Police most certainly do have to be in fear of their life before taking deadly action. It is very clear the man made no posture that he was going to harm them, and all the police (4) had very good cover behind vehicles.

Do you have a video link showing this?

[dcutman]

57 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

So you can be a convicted felon, in possession of drugs, and a firearm, exit your vehicle holding your gun, walk like you don't give a sh*t, refuse to "drop the gun!!!" with several police with guns drawn telling you to, and what? The cops are supposed to wait for threatening movements? Cant shoot until he shoots first? It does not work like that. The man made decisions in his life, that lead to this conclusion. 

We must be looking at two totally different videos. 

The shout from police to drop the gun was before he stepped out of the vehicle. Apparently you are the only one that saw a gun in his hand. Even the police chief said he could not see a gun after studying all the videos.

 

[Strange]

1 minute ago, dcutman said:

You are 100% wrong about that and rather sick for thinking so. Police most certainly do have to be in fear of their life before taking deadly action. It is very clear the man made no posture that he was going to harm them, and all the police (4) had very good cover behind vehicles.

 

Not just police, but people in their homes in the neighborhood around them. Convicted felon with a firearm that refuses to put it down in a residential area is an even higher risk, not just to the police, but to people in their homes as well. 

 

Anyway I'm having trouble seeing what the problem is... What should have the police have done? Try and talk him down? What if he got a couple shots off before the police took him down? What if they hit a house and a little kid or something horrible like that, and people would STILL be upset with the police because they didn't take action. What if the cops got hit before they took him down? 

 

 

[dcutman]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

Do you have a video link showing this?

Its posted above #76.

 

Edited September 25, 2016 by dcutman

[MaxYakov]

On 9/24/2016 at 7:55 AM, ClutchClark said:

If a black police officer shoots a black suspect then can it be called a "racist" shooting?

 

I don't see why not.

[craigt3365]

22 minutes ago, dcutman said:

Its posted above #76.

 

I did see it.  Not enough there to figure out exactly what happened.

[craigt3365]

9 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

 

I don't see why not.

This video is great.  Like Morgan says, you stop racism by stop talking about it.

 

[craigt3365]

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