“Aleppo is worse than a slaughterhouse” – Ban Ki-moon

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“Aleppo is worse than a slaughterhouse” – Ban Ki-moon

Catherine Hardy

 

 

NEW YORK: -- Warplanes, thought to be Russian or Syrian, knocked two hospitals out of service in the besieged rebel sector of Aleppo on Wednesday.

 

The air strikes came as ground forces intensified their assault on the city.
 

Strike targets bread queue

 

Two patients died in one of the hospitals.

 

Six residents died in shelling as they queued for bread.

 

The week-old assault has already killed hundreds of people.

 

Only 30 doctors are believed to be left inside the besieged zone, coping with hundreds of patients a day.

 

An estimated 250,000 people are trapped in Aleppo with food supplies running dangerously low.

 

“Rubble fell in on the patients in the intensive care unit.”

 

“The warplane flew over us and directly started dropping its missiles, at around 4am,” said Mohammad Abu Rajab, a radiologist at the M10 hospital.

 

“Rubble fell in on the patients in the intensive care unit.”

 

Medical staff say oxygen and power generators were destroyed. Patients were transferred to another hospital.

 

“This comes at a time when east Aleppo has been under siege since July and is suffering the bloodiest indiscriminate bombing since the beginning of the war,” said Carlos Francisco, the head of Medecins Sans Frontieres in Syria.

 

The World Health Organisation says it has reports that both hospitals were put out of service.

 

Why is Aleppo being targeted?
 

The government of President Bashar al-Assad, backed by Russian air power, Iranian ground forces and Shi’ite militia fighters from Iran, Iraq and Lebanon, has launched a massive assault on Aleppo.

 

It is the opposition’s last major urban stronghold.

 

Syria’s largest city before the war, Aleppo has been divided for years between government and rebel zones.

 

It would be the biggest strategic prize of the war for Assad and his allies.

 

Taking full control of Aleppo would restore almost-total government rule over one of the most important cities of western Syria.

 

“Even a slaughterhouse is more humane” -Ban Ki-moon
 

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon says those using “ever-more destructive weapons in Syria” are committing war crimes.

 

He described the situation in Aleppo as “worse than a slaughterhouse.”

“Imagine the destruction – people with limbs blown off, children in terrible pain with no relief, infected, suffering, dying, with nowhere to go, and no end in sight.”

 

“Imagine a slaughterhouse. This is worse. Even a slaughterhouse is more humane,” Bantold a UN Security Council meeting.

 

 

-- © Copyright Euronews 2016-09-29

[bannork]

Mr Ban is right, the inhumanity of man is beyond words at times like this. One day Assad will pay for his crimes.

[BuaBS]

“Even a slaughterhouse is more humane” -Ban Ki-moon

 

I'll bet this guy has NEVER been in a slaughterhouse then.

Euronews propaganda to blacken Russia & Syrian army.

[Kiwiken]

Do not know. Am not anti Russian but as follower of Aljazeera I find the bombing indiscriminate. 

[Gary A]

No mention is made of ISIS sheltering in the schools and hospitals.Many innocent people die in wars. Sad but true. 

[simple1]

24 minutes ago, Gary A said:

No mention is made of ISIS sheltering in the schools and hospitals.Many innocent people die in wars. Sad but true. 

 

Though all parties in Syria obviously do not respect usual war fighting conventions, the Law of Armed conflict provides protection for both military and civilian medical facilities.It has also been reported Russian and Syrian air power is used indiscriminately, including the use of cluster & thermobaric bombs etc in civilian areas; not my definition of acceptable collateral damage.

 

 

[manarak]

there is a lot more to these stories than meets the eye.

 

the ceasefire for "humanitarian" reasons probably never was intended for that. The SAA has a history of allowing rebels to leave their positions quietly.

I rather think the ceasefire was designed to break a momentum - probably the momentum of the SAA supported by Russian air power.

 

Now the US blame Russia for breaking the ceasefire by attacking an aid convoy (where is the evidence?), just days after the US itself attacked SAA forces heavily, causing over 160 casualties and triggering an attack by ISIL on the SAA positions.  The US claim it was a mistake, but squarely place the blame for the convoy on Russia.  It's all a bit difficult to believe.

 

Quote

[the US] accused Russia of pulling a "stunt" by calling for an emergency Security Council meeting to demand an explanation from the US. She said Moscow should instead demand a meeting with the Syrian government to press for peace.

"Russia really needs to stop the cheap point scoring and the grandstanding and the stunts and focus on what matters, which is implementation of something we negotiated in good faith with them," Power told reporters before the meeting.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/syria-air-strike-160918013808787.html

 

And now a smear campaign is running about the attack of the aid convoy.

 

It all really stinks in my opinion, and it becomes increasingly clear that the ceasefire was a political manoeuver by the US coalition to break SAA momentum.

 

The USA's main allies in the region are terrorists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Conquest

the group is composed of many jihadist groups and Muslim Brotherhood, as well as Uighur jihadists from western China, whose actions  are known to this forum.

Many of these groups impose islamic sharia law in territories they control.

If you study a map of the conflict, it is easy to see where there violent islamic jihadists groups get their support from: Turkey for the logistics and Saudi Arabia and the USA for the funding, while Saudi Arabia also provides these groups with wahabbist leaders and clerics.

 

I would like to know what agenda/interest people like Ban Ki-Moon have in this conflict or if they are simply manipulated.

[Grubster]

8 hours ago, bannork said:

Mr Ban is right, the inhumanity of man is beyond words at times like this. One day Assad will pay for his crimes.

Its was a civil war, we should have kept our nose out of it and let the people of Syria find an end to it. Didn't we learn anything from Vietnam. What good are our bombs and bullets going to do. We should get out now. If Russia wants to support a brutal dictator then so be it. Let the world see who is right or wrong. There would be a few hundred thousand less deaths if we hadn't invaded Iraq to remove that brutal dictator that we previously supported.  That said yes it is a travesty there.

[saakura]

13 hours ago, bannork said:

Mr Ban is right, the inhumanity of man is beyond words at times like this. One day Assad will pay for his crimes.

And George Bush, Dick Cheney, Tony Blair, Condolisa Rice etc will be rewarded for having saved the world.

[DogNo1]

Well, the rebels COULD lay down their arms and cooperate with the proper (Asaad's) government of Syria.  What is the real end game that the US has in mind?  The slaughter of Asaad and his present government along with all of the Russian spouses?  We've seen what's happened in the other counties.  The terrible decapitation through hanging of Saddam Hussein, the gruesome muder of Moammar Ghadaffi, etc.   Do we really expect the Syrian government and the Russians to just give up?  The know that they can expect no leniency if they lose.  It's obvious that the US wouldn't step in to make sure they were treated humanely.  Is it puzzling that they are fighting for their lives?

[Morch]

On 9/29/2016 at 11:47 AM, BuaBS said:

“Even a slaughterhouse is more humane” -Ban Ki-moon

 

I'll bet this guy has NEVER been in a slaughterhouse then.

Euronews propaganda to blacken Russia & Syrian army.

 

Euronews made up what the UN General Sectary said?

[Morch]

15 hours ago, DogNo1 said:

Well, the rebels COULD lay down their arms and cooperate with the proper (Asaad's) government of Syria.  What is the real end game that the US has in mind?  The slaughter of Asaad and his present government along with all of the Russian spouses?  We've seen what's happened in the other counties.  The terrible decapitation through hanging of Saddam Hussein, the gruesome muder of Moammar Ghadaffi, etc.   Do we really expect the Syrian government and the Russians to just give up?  The know that they can expect no leniency if they lose.  It's obvious that the US wouldn't step in to make sure they were treated humanely.  Is it puzzling that they are fighting for their lives?

 

"Well, the rebels COULD lay down their arms and cooperate with the proper (Asaad's) government of Syria. "

 

They probably can't, actually. No one really expects Assad to be fair handed and reasonable if he gets his way.

 

[BuaBS]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Euronews made up what the UN General Sectary said?

No the whole article is typical MSM propaganda . Where have I said they made it up what the dude said ?

[Naam]

On 9/29/2016 at 2:27 PM, manarak said:

I would like to know what agenda/interest people like Ban Ki-Moon have in this conflict or if they are simply manipulated.

withvery few exceptions UN General Secretaries have been puppets dancing according to the string movements of their masters.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, BuaBS said:

No the whole article is typical MSM propaganda . Where have I said they made it up what the dude said ?

 

The headline, and the closing part of the article are direct quotes of his words. You seem to think it all propaganda.

 

OK, there are no civilians being bombed, certainly not by Russia/Syria. There is no humanitarian crisis in the city. Would these be accurate description of the situation, then?

[DogNo1]

Well, it seems apparent that civilians are being bombed and that there is a humanitarian crisis in Aleppo.  The Syrian regime and Russians should be much more humane.  They should probably just try to capture and disarm the Syrian "Freedom fighters.'  After all the opposition forces would never commit such atrocities.  Oh, wait a minute!  The Nusra Front fighters who are in the areas being bombed have burned captives alive, publicly decapitated innocent prisoners and slaughtered Yazidi women and children.  But I'm sure that if Assad asked them politely, they would behave better.

[simple1]

10 hours ago, DogNo1 said:

Well, it seems apparent that civilians are being bombed and that there is a humanitarian crisis in Aleppo.  The Syrian regime and Russians should be much more humane.  They should probably just try to capture and disarm the Syrian "Freedom fighters.'  After all the opposition forces would never commit such atrocities.  Oh, wait a minute!  The Nusra Front fighters who are in the areas being bombed have burned captives alive, publicly decapitated innocent prisoners and slaughtered Yazidi women and children.  But I'm sure that if Assad asked them politely, they would behave better.

 

Though Al Nusra are Islamists, think you are confusing them with Daesh.

[Kiwiken]

Regardless of who has committed atrocities (and not one Party has clean hands in this conflict. It is sad in this war that the USA and its Allies do not force the grounding of Syrian Air power. That way only the Russian would shown to have committed atrocities on Civilian areas. Shoot down any Assad aircraft only engage Russian aircraft if they lock on you. I think you would find a scramble of Assad and his allies to negotiate. To continue as we are now is to condone the deliberate targeting of civilians. Which is a breach of the Geneva convention and considered a war crime especially as they are now deliberately targeting Hospitals and Rescue Teams.

[LawrenceChee]

What we have seen here what happens when 2 world powers collide and neither would want to back down

We can see here that in the perseverance of self interest , Russia is getting the troops war ready and USA is actually willing to support terrorist groups and arm them and start another cycle of violence

The easiest thing here was to leave it alone and allow them to work it out like tribal Arabs ....after some killings etc it will slow down

By systematically removing Saddam, Gaddafi and now trying to get rid of Assad , it's clear the western agenda is lunacy ...these places thrive on strong men to dictate and rule so that in the biggest scope of things with "dictators" all being crazy ...

There is actually room for mutual respect and no one wants to Attack each other ...with the removal of all the leaders in Egypt Iraq and Libya it has not created a melting pot of area where terrorists could thrive as there is no general law and order and everyone can set up a group when they feel like it


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[Credo]

4 hours ago, LawrenceChee said:

What we have seen here what happens when 2 world powers collide and neither would want to back down

We can see here that in the perseverance of self interest , Russia is getting the troops war ready and USA is actually willing to support terrorist groups and arm them and start another cycle of violence

The easiest thing here was to leave it alone and allow them to work it out like tribal Arabs ....after some killings etc it will slow down

By systematically removing Saddam, Gaddafi and now trying to get rid of Assad , it's clear the western agenda is lunacy ...these places thrive on strong men to dictate and rule so that in the biggest scope of things with "dictators" all being crazy ...

There is actually room for mutual respect and no one wants to Attack each other ...with the removal of all the leaders in Egypt Iraq and Libya it has not created a melting pot of area where terrorists could thrive as there is no general law and order and everyone can set up a group when they feel like it


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Easier said than done.    Not completely unlike how China should have left Tibet alone and should leave the Uighurs alone.

 

Russia has a naval base in Syria which it wishes to protect and there are no assurances that will happen without Assad in power.   The US doesn't care much about Syria and has no real interest in the place, with the exception that it is and has been harboring and encouraging terrorist activities against Western countries and specifically against a key area of concern, which is Israel.   

 

It's always interesting when some of the same people will jump up and down over a few casualties from collateral damage but the mass killing and deliberate bombing of civilians is largely overlooked.   This is especially tragic when they are being killed by their own leader.

 

I have no problem with everyone leaving, but let's see how China fares when oil stops moving out of the Gulf and the prices world-wide sky rocket.   

 

 

[schlog]

Interview With Al-Nusra Commander "The Americans stand on our side"

 

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/09/todenhöfer-interview-with-al-nusra-commander-the-americans-stand-on-our-side.html

[cncltd1973]

On ‎9‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 10:48 PM, saakura said:

And George Bush, Dick Cheney, Tony Blair, Condolisa Rice etc will be rewarded for having saved the world.

And Hillary wants a no-fly-zone over Syria, which may lead to war if she plans on enforcing it.

[SaintLouisBlues]

1 minute ago, cncltd1973 said:

And Hillary wants a no-fly-zone over Syria, which may lead to war if she plans on enforcing it.

A war? In Syria! Who'da thought?!

[i claudius]

If the superpowers had just sided with despots like Assad and, Gaddafi etc the middle east would not be in the state it is now , they may have been despots ,but it is the only way you can keep order there ,

[cncltd1973]

13 minutes ago, SaintLouisBlues said:

A war? In Syria! Who'da thought?!

Meaning large scale war between Russia & Co. vs US & Co.

Which may be inevitable, with all the contributing factors. Isn't it strange the only local government to get involved is Turkey, and then only because the conflict is spilling on it's border. The Arab countries are keeping there heads down because they see the conflict between 1st world and 2nd world, and getting involved will mean choosing a side.

[SaintLouisBlues]

Just now, cncltd1973 said:

Meaning large scale war between Russia & Co. vs US & Co.

I can remember years ago hearing an "expert on the region" telling everyone tuned to CNN that war was "inevitable" between (at least) Macedonia and Greece and some other Balkan republics plus the spillover into Turkey (via Crete) following the tensions caused by the break up of Yugoslavia. Inevitable. Are you able to pinpoint the dates of that war and its consequences?

[cncltd1973]

4 minutes ago, SaintLouisBlues said:

I can remember years ago hearing an "expert on the region" telling everyone tuned to CNN that war was "inevitable" between (at least) Macedonia and Greece and some other Balkan republics plus the spillover into Turkey (via Crete) following the tensions caused by the break up of Yugoslavia. Inevitable. Are you able to pinpoint the dates of that war and its consequences?

Sure, this war "may" inevitably become large scale. First, there's already a war there and Russia is becoming more invested in it. They've had a naval base there since the 70s, so they have a reason to defend they're interests. Add the close proximity of Russian's defense to NATO's interests, and Turkey's shooting down of a Russian fighter jet, showing solidarity to NATO. Add Hillary's clear support of getting more involved (her stand during a Sanders debate). Throw in the refugees, UN deaths, the middle east clusterf**k value, political egos, etc, etc. I was hedging my bets when I said "may", but yeah. Especially when you saw how committed Russia was in defending Crimea when Ukraine wanted to go EU.

BTW, talking heads on networks have incentive to sensationalize for ratings. I'm not an expert, just concerned our (US) continued escalation will force Russia's hand, i.e Putin.

[SaintLouisBlues]

8 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said:

I'm not an expert, just concerned our (US) continued escalation will force Russia's hand, i.e Putin.

I'm all for pooling our ignorance, it makes for an entertaining afternoon

[Grouse]

Interesting contributions on BBC Radio 4 Any Answers. I was swayed somewhat. Syria was one of the most secular countries in ME, but with very many sects and religious groupings. Trying to hand the country over to one group of jihadi god followers is doomed to fail. Interesting that we don't hear that state casualties are about one third of total and most refugees are camped in government controlled areas. 

 

Do a deal with Assad in return for cease fire

 

Force Russia to back off using sanctions and threat of no fly zones

 

Have elections

 

Then leave them to it

 

 

[Scott]

Syria was a rather secular country and yes it does have a lot of religions and a fair number of minority groups.   Left to their own devices, it will end up much like the former Yugoslavia, only on steroids.  

 

The problem with elections is that there are always losers, and in that part of the world people don't take losing lightly.   The problem with dictators is they oversee a very nervous country that can explode on a moments notice.  

 

The people camped inside of Syria are not refugees per se, they are internally displaced people.