Eric Loh Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 43 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Rubbish. He was out on bail and frequently broke the bail conditions. The authorities previously ignored it. Many posters on here were wondering why. Now they've acted. You want to apply HR when this is a simple legal issue of someone breaking their bail conditions. Newsflash - no one outside Thailand gives a <deleted> about this moron. Most see him for what he is. Still think he will be out soon and will continue to critize the junta which the junta interpret as breaking the bail conditions. The junta better take good care of him in detention and avoid any accident that will worsen their already bad human rights image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Baerboxer said: Rubbish. He was out on bail and frequently broke the bail conditions. The authorities previously ignored it. Many posters on here were wondering why. Now they've acted. You want to apply HR when this is a simple legal issue of someone breaking their bail conditions. Newsflash - no one outside Thailand gives a <deleted> about this moron. Most see him for he is. No one outside Thailand knew about him - maybe. Now the junta have imprisoned a leader of the opposition, a man connected with the democratically elected government they overthrew, for "saying harsh things about them", then the international community will know, and take note. There are several companies that act as risk assessment consultants for international investors. I know of one and have talked to one of their consultants socially about what they do. They will have logged this and will see it, along with the " administrative actions" fining the former (elected) Prime Minister as pointers to the nature of the current regime. Now by what percentage has foreign investment declined since the coup? Why do you think that is? Rhetorical questions, don't bother answering... Edited October 12, 2016 by JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Pimay1 said: When red-shirts, in the court room began to cry in response to the verdict, Nattawut urged them not to panic, Unbelievable that some people could be so brainwashed. I look forward to the day when the illegal government of the moment is in court. I do not need to practice tears of joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunter Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 It is interesting to note the levels of hysteria aroused when the leaders of this particular group are being called to account for their actions and facing imprisonment fines etc for those actions. But one hears not one squeak of noise in support of the rank and file members who are serving prison time for their involvement and actions.They have been totally used and then ignored by their elite leaders. Now I was under the impression that equality was or is the ideal of this particular political group. No self promotion. no personal gains financially or property wise airline wise etc but a belief in the cause of the common man. So perhaps if all the big noise makers were to turn their attention to the little people who in truth they have sacrificed and forgotten in their personal pursuit of power and property those actions may well be a clear indication of the leaderships sincerity and true devotion to the cause of the common man. Well that is what one would like to think, but Animal Farm come to mind concerning this current scenario,!! Those rank and file members certainly bring the name Boxer to mind, and the leadership, ah indeed I am reminded of those infamous porcine creatures in Animal Farm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 25 minutes ago, elgordo38 said: I look forward to the day when the illegal government of the moment is in court. I do not need to practice tears of joy. Probably at the courts of the ICC in Haque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilSA1 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Eric Loh said: Was that riot before or after the troops started firing live rounds. Just asking. It hardly serves as an excuse if his actions were before, or after, live rounds were fired. He inflamed the rioters into herd behaviour, to commit violent acts, chaotic vandalism and destruction of property, thereby endangering further lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasa123 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 11.10.2016 at 10:34 AM, seajae said: we can only hope that this idiot is finally locked up along with the other red dirt bags And you join him as his servant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 hour ago, shunter said: It is interesting to note the levels of hysteria aroused when the leaders of this particular group are being called to account for their actions and facing imprisonment fines etc for those actions. But one hears not one squeak of noise in support of the rank and file members who are serving prison time for their involvement and actions.They have been totally used and then ignored by their elite leaders. Now I was under the impression that equality was or is the ideal of this particular political group. No self promotion. no personal gains financially or property wise airline wise etc but a belief in the cause of the common man. So perhaps if all the big noise makers were to turn their attention to the little people who in truth they have sacrificed and forgotten in their personal pursuit of power and property those actions may well be a clear indication of the leaderships sincerity and true devotion to the cause of the common man. Well that is what one would like to think, but Animal Farm come to mind concerning this current scenario,!! Those rank and file members certainly bring the name Boxer to mind, and the leadership, ah indeed I am reminded of those infamous porcine creatures in Animal Farm On the equality issue I think the evidence is in who is in jail for their ideas; it isn't the regime supporters. The truth is stark between this group and the group jailing them which always has control over the courts due to cronyism and nepotism and having most all the wealth. The jailers come from a long line of people who support social classes and no doubt this elitest group also created the words in Thai language that people use to look down on the poor. They literally wrote the book on inequality for Thailand and their Thai laws reflect it even today. I agree with your common man and equality arguments. Those ideas will only come from a group that is against the Thai "Democrats" who really are not democrats in any way. And one which sees all people as equals. That's as much as I can legally post without getting this post deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 36 minutes ago, NeilSA1 said: It hardly serves as an excuse if his actions were before, or after, live rounds were fired. He inflamed the rioters into herd behaviour, to commit violent acts, chaotic vandalism and destruction of property, thereby endangering further lives. He did made some inflammable speech after the military started the dispersal operation. You can easily check that out. All in public domain. Now you got to explain why didn't the military launched the same type of excessive and unnecessary lethal force in previous cases when a more dire and prolong situation were staged at the government house and the airport. Sondhi and Chamlong were equally vocal in inciting violence. Is there a discrimination against the red shirts while abetting the yellow shirts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 5 hours ago, Baerboxer said: A lot more cells than you by the content of your posts! Of course Jatuporn was just the rent a mouth for someone more senior, the paymaster who makes all decisions. Democrats - yeah right. You should use your double digit IQ for once. Do you deny the role of Japtuporn in the videos where he incites illegal riot, arson and violence? Do you deny the objective was to restore the criminal Thaksin to power? Boy, gotta talk real slow to you, eh? Please go back and count how many people were killed by the military - just using the official count, that is 80+ out of 90-some people... Can you wrap your head around that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Eric Loh said: He did made some inflammable speech after the military started the dispersal operation. You can easily check that out. All in public domain. Now you got to explain why didn't the military launched the same type of excessive and unnecessary lethal force in previous cases when a more dire and prolong situation were staged at the government house and the airport. Sondhi and Chamlong were equally vocal in inciting violence. Is there a discrimination against the red shirts while abetting the yellow shirts? two months total of protests, government refuses to hold elections and military setups up live-fire zones and goes on a 6 day killing-spree with scores of unarmed people dead at the end. six months total of protests, government calls for new elections, protesters block elections, raid the government house, military sits on its hands and then executes a coup d'etat, ... Nope, no bias to be seen ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkles Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 9 hours ago, harada said: This could be a golden opportunity for the red shirts to start afresh and scout around for someone with at least half a brain to represent them. Donald Trump might soon be available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 On 11/10/2016 at 9:38 PM, Alive said: No they don't but Thailand has a judicial system that does not accept equality under the law. Inequality is legal. But don't worry about your pals in injustice, Hallo as in Thailand there tend to be a lot of people dying while in custody under this glorious regime. I'm sure Jatuporn will fall on his toothbrush or choke on some sticky rice when all the cameras and personnel are off watching Thai soap operas. "a lot of people dying while in custody under this glorious regime. " I can think of one, but I'm sure you have a link to the many others. Perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 On 12/10/2016 at 0:28 PM, Eric Loh said: I doubt the authority will want to subject him to arbitrary detention until the case is heard. That will go against some serious international human right violation. The case was postponed time and time again and the authority will face the legality if his deprivation of liberty. He will be out soon. Watch the space. It's rare that I see a post that naive. Remand is standard procedure for those facing serious criminal charges in most of the world, including Oz, UK and USA. That he was allowed bail was a farce, but as he has repeatedly broken bail conditions, he could hardly call his treatment unfair. The postponement of the case was caused by his co-accused being appointed as MPs by the Yingluk government. Complaining about their own actions would be the epitome of hypocrisy, except red supporters don't seem to understand the word. "some serious international human right violation" Utter BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 On 10/11/2016 at 1:11 AM, Pimay1 said: Does anyone know what length of prison term he will serve? Praying for 5 lifetimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2fishin2 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Anybody else see the timing of this event strange? I do.Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, 2fishin2 said: Anybody else see the timing of this event strange? I do. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Yes. About 6 years too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 On October 11, 2016 at 1:49 PM, TweedleDee said: Working on his martyrdom credentials. 'Bail revoked for harsh words...' Outstanding. If you were charged with inciting violence and hatred in the UK and bailed until your hearing, and then went out and continued again to incite violence and hatred your bail would be revoked and you would await your hearing in jail. With the gravity of the crimes committed these guys should never have been on bail in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike324 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 10/12/2016 at 4:24 PM, tbthailand said: two months total of protests, government refuses to hold elections and military setups up live-fire zones and goes on a 6 day killing-spree with scores of unarmed people dead at the end. six months total of protests, government calls for new elections, protesters block elections, raid the government house, military sits on its hands and then executes a coup d'etat, ... Nope, no bias to be seen ... You forgot to mention the numerous bombings during the red shirt protest against businesses and establishments that were aligned with the Dems prior to the military crack down. Bombs were thrown all over Bangkok, Bangkok was being held hostage by the red shirts. The government did not refuse to hold elections, it was the red shirts last minute decision to not accept the offer. Lets see how police would have reacted if protesters take over any major city center for over 2 months in a developed country, with explosives all rigged up. I don't deny inexperience soldiers and soldiers with trigger happy fingers, just saying if the red shirts were peaceful and accepted the new election date, it wouldn't have gone this far. Before you even mentioned about the yellow shirts, I condemn their actions too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 40 minutes ago, mike324 said: You forgot to mention the numerous bombings during the red shirt protest against businesses and establishments that were aligned with the Dems prior to the military crack down. Bombs were thrown all over Bangkok, Bangkok was being held hostage by the red shirts. The government did not refuse to hold elections, it was the red shirts last minute decision to not accept the offer. Lets see how police would have reacted if protesters take over any major city center for over 2 months in a developed country, with explosives all rigged up. I don't deny inexperience soldiers and soldiers with trigger happy fingers, just saying if the red shirts were peaceful and accepted the new election date, it wouldn't have gone this far. Before you even mentioned about the yellow shirts, I condemn their actions too. One of the main reason for the disagreement on the election date is that the government wanted it after the nomination of a new army chief and the red shirts before. More recent events have shown that it was a very relevant concern. It may well at least partly explain the violent behaviour on both sides in 2010. http://www.dw.com/en/thailands-new-army-chief-takes-office/a-6066746 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 11/10/2016 at 5:22 PM, Pimay1 said: This thread is not about the general. What's the matter, losing verbal points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) On 10/12/2016 at 10:59 AM, Baerboxer said: A never elected undemocratic thug hired to further the interests of a political faction owned by a criminal patriarch of a family noted their activities. Sure, Thailand needs plenty more like him. Next you'll be saying he really is interested in democracy. Add, he lives in luxury with expensive rare Buddhist artifacts etc. He was questioned about this a while back. His response: 'Ohh i didn't buy any of this, people just regularly give me lots of things'. Edited October 26, 2016 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 11-10-2016 at 11:40 AM, Alive said: Are you talking about the trained military snipers and soldiers who murdered nearly 80 protestors down near the central world protest site? Are they going to be arrested or even named or do they get to kill Thai citizens and walk away as is always the case in Thai history? Good you didn't tell who ('possibly'?) hired and trained them, as it migh have got you a bullet in the head, like some Maj.Gen. who had become a liability... In fact, they had a finger pointed at in an, unbiased, official report, which was, of all people, ...shot down by the red thugs' UDD and political arm PTP... Turn, twist, deny, lie if you want but the so-called 'men-in-black' did (at that specific time!) not 'work' for the RTA, ...or the RTP(!), when they were making their inhumane 'hits' on red shirts ('peacefull' or not), it was vicious agitation of the worst kind! But, as people here have an, extremely, short memory, they may have forgotten about the pictures and videos providing unquestionable evidence about those black-clad mercenaries, ...not only in 2009/2010, but also in 2013/2014, then shooting on different people, but for the same goal. (You didn't forget the last bloody episodes with those guys on top of- and around of- 'Minister' Chalerm's office building, did you, who weren't police, according to police sources, ...and weren't even speaking Thai according to my brother-in-law and nephew, who were there...!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 12-10-2016 at 9:30 AM, Eric Loh said: Was that riot before or after the troops started firing live rounds. Just asking. Khun Eric: The troops were only authorised to fire live rounds after (being shot at and) many violences had already been committed by those hired thugs you still go on defending for some reason (we have acquired some idea about that a while ago now). Just saying. (Khun Eric: About your many other posts on this topic, I feel like calling you names, but won't, just ask you whether there are no limits, even that of basic decency, for you in what you write, with professional talent no doubt, but how low can you get, Mr Loh, bah...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 11-10-2016 at 4:21 PM, JAG said: Are you suggesting that the people shot from the Sky train tracks were shot by their own side, using stolen weapons? If you are going to try and rewrite history, might I suggest that you begin from a vaguely credible starting point! JAG: Do you think it will some time in the future, maybe, become, even a tiny bit, possible for the Shins' propagandists and red shirts' sympathisers not to try and rewrite history, using not even vaguely credible starting points, and more generally distorting the reality of proven facts...? The pot and the kettle, as usual, 'it's not us, it's...' yeah sure, always been like that, since 2009 for what Thaksin's private red militia is concerned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 7 hours ago, bangrak said: JAG: Do you think it will some time in the future, maybe, become, even a tiny bit, possible for the Shins' propagandists and red shirts' sympathisers not to try and rewrite history, using not even vaguely credible starting points, and more generally distorting the reality of proven facts...? The pot and the kettle, as usual, 'it's not us, it's...' yeah sure, always been like that, since 2009 for what Thaksin's private red militia is concerned... The suggestion that the May2010 shooting of protesters in Bangkok, which is what sparked my post which you quote was so bizarre that I referred at the time to rewriting history. If you are claiming that "Thaksins private militias " were responsible for shooting all those people then you too are trying to deny what happened. Or are you just having a general bleat because virtually no -one outside the "Thaksin is the root of all evil club" takes these claims seriously? Looking at the batch of similar posts yout produced last night I suspect that is the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, JAG said: Or are you just having a general bleat because virtually no -one outside the "Thaksin is the root of all evil club" takes these claims seriously? Just your opinion, and as usual, to suit your bias. Edited October 27, 2016 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, scorecard said: Just your opinion, and as usual, to suit your bias. Ah, so it is just a general " Thaksin/ Reds bad, Junta/Yellows good" bleat then - in of course, my opinion. I'll leave it at that then. Edited October 27, 2016 by JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 4 hours ago, JAG said: Ah, so it is just a general " Thaksin/ Reds bad, Junta/Yellows good" bleat then - in of course, my opinion. I'll leave it at that then. Good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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