Construction in the bay?

[striderman]

ok took my legs up to the north end of the beach today. couple of hundred mtrs blocked off with at least 6 asstd kobelco tracked diggers up there.

sand is being pumped ashore via a rubber floating pipeline from barges offshore. it is marine sand with bigger shells than u would expect to find on pattaya beach but it is quite grey in colour. this is a big project with 4/5 barges/vessels offshore today.

i did notice some new big sandbags had been made.

going to take some time.

on the covering screens there are some artists impressions of the finished job inc 1 with the beach viewed from near the southern boardwalk. probably more chance of a donald landslide than looking anything like the artwork

[DefaultName]

The basic issue is a lack of understanding of (or care about) how beaches are formed & maintained naturally.

 

There is a circular flow of sand (by currents, tides, storms, etc.) from "resevoirs" & sandbanks out in a bay, to one end of a beach, along the beach, and back out to the bay. Those resevoirs were dredged for the sand for use in buildings, roads, & suchlike. So now the beach sand is going out to fill them back up and much less is there to flow back to the beach.

 

So, unless that sand is put back, the sort of manual intervention - in one form or another - we're seeing is the only option.

 

Money was made from dredging and selling the sand, money is being made "repairing' the beach.  Anyone surprised here?

[lumply]

On 15/10/2016 at 9:18 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I saw that and had a laugh to myself about it. So they are bagging about the ugly sandbags that are falling apart at the north end of the beach. At the least those should be temporary, not left till they disintegrate and become even more unsightly.

Nothing I have seen along Beach Rd convinces me that they have any clue as to how to run a tourist resort town.

Perhaps I shouldn't complain. After all, the disgraceful condition of Pattaya is what keeps it from becoming over run with rich western tourists and other riff raff.

 

Oh dear another one of those tourist haters. If it wasn't for the tourists on which Pattaya was built such people would have to inflict themselves on the inhabitants of another city in Thailand. Best stay in Patts and be part of the riff raff. Enjoy

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, lumply said:

 

Oh dear another one of those tourist haters. If it wasn't for the tourists on which Pattaya was built such people would have to inflict themselves on the inhabitants of another city in Thailand. Best stay in Patts and be part of the riff raff. Enjoy

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Being a tourist in Pattaya myself why would I hate tourists?

 

The sort of tourists that built Pattaya from scratch in the 70s are welcome.

[johng]

Some photos  Thursday 20th October 2016

 

 

 

Trailer trash

[thaibeachlovers]

Thanks for the photos.

[gk10002000]

On 10/13/2016 at 6:00 AM, moonseeker said:

Was told, they sucking- /digging- up sand out there and bring it to beach. Seen it done in US and Australia with huge pipelines. Same is done in many places all around the world, but proper planning includes seawalls at specific angles to change currents that wash out sand. Aussies are specialists in this type of projects, also seen it on Canary Islands. BTW, this project started a long time back and the work-barges have been anchored and doing what they are doing in various locations already. MS>

As a mechanical engineer and was raised in Rhode Island the Ocean state and am now a Florida state resident I kind of follow the topic of beach erosion now and then.  I have seen some amazingly simple studies with good results using simple angled small seawalls like you mentioned.  Simple video time lapses show waves and currents often sweeping in diagonally across the beach front and the angled walls can do a masterful job.

[morrobay]

Update

 

[johng]

Thanks for the update,  starting to look like a truly  "world class family beach resort" now 

[thaibeachlovers]

I was walking along the walkway across from Central and saw that the beach has eroded to such an extent they had to build it up with sandbags to have somewhere for the deckchairs.

It really looks like a world class beach and promenade, NOT.

[onemorechang]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I was walking along the walkway across from Central and saw that the beach has eroded to such an extent they had to build it up with sandbags to have somewhere for the deckchairs.

It really looks like a world class beach and promenade, NOT.

 

I hope they keep this up.

Pattaya needs to get back to its roots.

Sex town,   its what it has done best for 40 years +.

Resistance is futile,    it will always be Sex Town.

the powers to be need to take that on-board.

We don't want a beach,   pour concentrate on the lot.

paint it yellow if it makes people feel better.

it would make the Coconut bar much bigger.

[JSixpack]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It really looks like a world class beach and promenade, NOT.

 

• It never has looked in any such way,
• nobody has said it does now,
• nobody has said that's a goal,
• nobody has ever claimed it ever will look like "a world class beach and promenade,"
• Pattaya doesn't owe you a "world class beach and promenade," and
• You have no reason to expect Pattaya will ever provide them for you.

This is just another of our silly little forum straw men repeated ad nauseam for the usual sneering & whinging purposes.

Edited October 27, 2016 by JSixpack

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

 

• It never has looked in any such way,
• nobody has said it does now,
• nobody has said that's a goal,
• and nobody has ever claimed it ever will look like "a world class beach and promenade."

This is just another of our silly little forum straw men repeated ad nauseam for the usual sneering purposes.

 

Next sneer.

So, basically you are agreeing that the new promenade should never have been built because Pattaya was never supposed to go up market.

That is the point many of us were making at the time.

[JSixpack]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, basically you are agreeing that the new promenade should never have been built because Pattaya was never supposed to go up market.

That is the point many of us were making at the time.

 

You wish, but that conclusion actually doesn't follow logically at all. There's no "supposed" except in your own imagination and except insofar as the promenade was supposed to enable the construction of another lane on Beach Rd., which it did. See my edit, BTW.

Edited October 27, 2016 by JSixpack

[fforest1]

6 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

You wish, but that conclusion actually doesn't follow logically at all. There's no "supposed" except in your own imagination and except insofar as the promenade was supposed to enable the construction of another lane on Beach Rd., which it did. See my edit, BTW.

 

They have been working on the beach/beach road pretty much non stop

sense 2013..It is now almost 2017...Thats 4 years and the whole bloody

area looks as crappy as ever..

Even Joe 6pack can not deny this...

 

Before 2013 the promenade was well used by lots of people in the

day time...Now the promenade is only very lightly used in the day time.

In the hot season its like a ghost town...

Even Joe 6pack can not deny this...

 

Just about anybody member of Thai Visa even with no building

experience could have done a heck of a lot better job improving

beach road with the over 1 billion plus baht they have already spent..

Even Joe 6pack can not deny this..

 

Most members here who post about the new beach road think its a

turd...

Even Joe 6pack can not deny this..

[JSixpack]

5 hours ago, fforest1 said:

They have been working on the beach/beach road pretty much non stop

sense 2013..It is now almost 2017...Thats 4 years and the whole bloody

area looks as crappy as ever..

 

You've not been able to grasp the point under discussion. Too subtle I guess. What's true is that our group of old whingers have been crying and pretending they're owed something pretty much non stop "sense" 2013. So pathetic; get lives!

 

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Before 2013 the promenade was well used by lots of people in the

day time...Now the promenade is only very lightly used in the day time.

In the hot season its like a ghost town...

Even Joe 6pack can not deny this...

 

Nope, sorry. In fact the promenade is as busy at it always was in proportion to the numbers of tourist visits. It isn't too hot at all; amount of shade is quite reasonable, as the use of it proves. You must mean "lightly used by a few weak-kneed old codgers who aren't missed at all." Your DOOM prediction that all the beach hotels would go out of business proved utter nonsense of course.

 

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Just about anybody member of Thai Visa even with no building

experience could have done a heck of a lot better job improving

beach road with the over 1 billion plus baht they have already spent..

 

Oh, we have vast brigade of highly qualified construction engineers sitting at their keyboards pontificating about every brick out of place in Pattaya. :) Do tell how much of the billion baht was YOUR money and what business is it of yours? You got any vote in the matter? Rather than continually make yourself miserable thinking and worse, posting, about what you have no control over, why not just find happiness by taking the obvious course of leaving?

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2016 by JSixpack

[morrobay]

6 hours ago, fforest1 said:

 

They have been working on the beach/beach road pretty much non stop

sense 2013..It is now almost 2017...Thats 4 years and the whole bloody

area looks as crappy as ever..

Even Joe 6pack can not deny this...

 

Before 2013 the promenade was well used by lots of people in the

day time...Now the promenade is only very lightly used in the day time.

In the hot season its like a ghost town...

Even Joe 6pack can not deny this...

 

Just about anybody member of Thai Visa even with no building

experience could have done a heck of a lot better job improving

beach road with the over 1 billion plus baht they have already spent..

Even Joe 6pack can not deny this..

 

Most members here who post about the new beach road think its a

turd...

Even Joe 6pack can not deny this..

 

The current promenade was completed 2013 !  You can find a post by me : "widening of beach rd '

 when they started work at North end. 

Edited October 28, 2016 by morrobay

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, JSixpack said:

 

You've not been able to grasp the point under discussion. Too subtle I guess. What's true is that our group of old whingers have been crying and pretending they're owed something pretty much non stop "sense" 2013. So pathetic; get lives!

 

 

Nope, sorry. In fact the promenade is as busy at it always was in proportion to the numbers of tourist visits. It isn't too hot at all; amount of shade is quite reasonable, as the use of it proves. You must mean "lightly used by a few weak-kneed old codgers who aren't missed at all." Your DOOM prediction that all the beach hotels would go out of business proved utter nonsense of course.

 

 

Oh, we have vast brigade of highly qualified construction engineers sitting at their keyboards pontificating about every brick out of place in Pattaya. :) Do tell how much of the billion baht was YOUR money and what business is it of yours? You got any vote in the matter? Rather than continually make yourself miserable thinking and worse, posting, about what you have no control over, why not just find happiness by taking the obvious course of leaving?

 

 

 

Are you claiming QUALIFIED engineers were used to build that disaster? 55555555555555

It was built like every other public works in Pattaya to the lowest possible cost ( whatever the budget was ) using people that have no idea how to make concrete structures, or any expertise in water control or drainage infrastructure. It has been so probably since the first concrete road was laid in Pattaya.

 

Leaving? You wish.

Edited October 28, 2016 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

29 minutes ago, morrobay said:

 

The current promenade was completed 2013 !  You can find a post by me : "widening of beach rd '

 when they started work at North end. 

So he got the date wrong. No matter, we all understand what his meaning was and it is true that the new walkway is not a place to relax and do a bit of people watching, as it was before some "person" had the idea of making the Riviera on Pattaya bay.

[morrobay]

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

You've not been able to grasp the point under discussion. Too subtle I guess. What's true is that our group of old whingers have been crying and pretending they're owed something pretty much non stop "sense" 2013. So pathetic; get lives!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No you are not grasping the  point Hoss : That is, actually they have been working on it since 2013  if you include going back everytime it floods or the currents cause a collapse because " each and every brick" was placed on sand or potato chip thin sandy cement. Right -  the primary objective was widening Beach rd. However if the left lane was freed up they could have added a lane without the disaster of a walkway you are  defending .Are you taking this position just to argue because  nothing better to do ? Or do you actually see an improvement.?? ( that nobody else sees )

And back on topic : unless this work is engineered correctly , as noted by some above including myself,

it is going to cause erosion and walkway collapse with a vengeance.

 

     

  

Edited October 28, 2016 by morrobay

[JSixpack]

2 hours ago, morrobay said:

 

No you are not grasping the  point Hoss : That is, actually they have been working on it since 2013  if you include going back everytime it floods or the currents cause a collapse because " each and every brick" was placed on sand or potato chip thin sandy cement. Right -  the primary objective was widening Beach rd. However if the left lane was freed up they could have added a lane without the disaster of a walkway you are  defending .Are you taking this position just to argue because  nothing better to do ? Or do you actually see an improvement.?? ( that nobody else sees )

And back on topic : unless this work is engineered correctly , as noted by some above including myself,

it is going to cause erosion and walkway collapse with a vengeance.

 

     

  

 

Duh. I never said one thing about any working. My point relates only to the whinging ever since 2013, specifically, if you must nitpick, since February of 2013. Specifically I addressed the spurious assertion that somebody was promised and has any reason to expect "a world class beach and promenade," one of our silly little straw men used for sneering and whinging. Nor have I defended the walkway except, as one of the few objective posters here, to point out the nonsense said about the walkway when it's nonsense, as I do on many topics here. We all know better solutions

 

 

and indeed as I noted we have a vast brigade of construction engineers pecking them out continually here on our forum. But you see the City didn't take any of those brilliant solutions. That's just the way it is. Our old biddies on the forum just gotta sit around and cry and whinge and feel superior when they'd be just better off getting over it, getting a life, and growing a pair. Or just leaving (our forum has numerous threads about moving back to the UK, and what with the fall in the "ounce," now's a good time) so they may stop obsessing and being miserable about what they have neither reason nor right to expect.

Edited October 28, 2016 by JSixpack

[morrobay]

19 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

 Nor have I defended the walkway except, as one of the few objective posters here, to point out the nonsense said about the walkway when it's nonsense, as I do on many topics here. We all know better solutions

 

 

 

For objective viewpoint  Photos  2004 - 6 across from Pattaylands 1 & 2

that is now one sorry mess of trailer trash/junkyard. Collapsed walkway 2015 in front Holiday Inn

 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2016 by morrobay
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