rooster59 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 UK to accept children from Calais Jungle camp 'within days' Luke Barber British and French officials have begun the process of registering unaccompanied children at the Calais Jungle migrant camp with a view to allowing them to join relatives in the UK. A large number of child refugees are expected to arrive in Britain within days, although those without relatives in the country will be subject to a seperate registration process. Under EU legislation, unaccompanied children have the right to claim asylum in countries where family members are living. EU-wide regulation stipulates that asylum must be claimed in the first safe country a person reaches, but minors can have their claim transferred to countries where they have relatives. It is understood that the UK plans to take over 300 children, although charity Safe Passage, which is working alongside the British government in its efforts to bring children in before French authorities close the camp, says it has not seen operational plans detailing how they will be transferred. UK Home Secretary Amber Rudd said in an interview with the Daily Mail newspaper that there would be “no slacking” from the UK government. Impending closure The French government plans to dismantle the camp by the end of the year. Aid groups have asked to delay the closure, citing a lack of preparedness to adequately relocate the camps inhabitants. President Francois Hollande has promised to set up “reception and orientation centres” for the estimated 10,000 refugees living at the camp. Those who successfully applied for asylum will be given a “dignified welcome”, he said, but those who were unsuccessful would be deported. Aid agencies put the number of unaccompanied minors living at the camp at between 1,000 and 1,300, 95 percent of which are hoping to reach the UK. -- © Copyright Euronews 2016-10-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Considering the amount of time that the camp has been in existence, it is extremely sad to see that unaccompanied minors have not been screened. In the past, a significant amount of money has been put aside to get children screened and out of the camps. The longer they are left in camps, the greater the damage done to them both physically and psychologically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtRock Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Scott said: Considering the amount of time that the camp has been in existence, it is extremely sad to see that unaccompanied minors have not been screened. In the past, a significant amount of money has been put aside to get children screened and out of the camps. The longer they are left in camps, the greater the damage done to them both physically and psychologically. Whilst you are correct that the longer children remain in camps the greater the degree of physical and psychological problems that they will be exposed to. A couple of points that you should at least be aware of. 1. It is impossible to screen anyone without legitimate papers, this is one of the many problems that beset this and other camps. 2. This is not a new phenomenon that has suddenly sprung up in France with people illegally trying to reach the UK. This goes back to the late 80's, and perhaps even before that, with many camps throughout France filled with people illegally trying to get to the UK. The most notable being the Sangatte Camp. Whether they are economic migrants, illegal migrants, Asylum Seekers or any other name that is given to them. When they tramp halfway around the world, passing through many safe Countries and in most cases paying people traffickers to get them to the camps. They lose any rights that they may have had to legitimately claim a legal status. Does not help the children in any way, but it is time that a few realities were addressed. Edited October 16, 2016 by SgtRock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 More 'older-looking' photos from the Daily Mail. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3836058/Britain-come-Child-migrants-pose-selfies-prepare-leave-Calais-UK-ahead-Jungle-camp-s-demolition.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 France , should accept them , or Italy , Poland , etc . I thought UK , was leaving the EU ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtRock Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 1 minute ago, elliss said: France , should accept them , or Italy , Poland , etc . I thought UK , was leaving the EU ?? You think that there might be a reason that they are currently sitting in a sh!thole in France trying to get to the UK illegally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 8 minutes ago, SgtRock said: Whilst you are correct that the longer children remain in camps the greater the degree of physical and psychological problems that will be exposed to. A couple of points that you should at least be aware of. 1. It is impossible to screen anyone without legitimate papers, this is one of the many problems that beset this and other camps. 2. This is not a new phenomenon that has suddenly sprung up in France with people illegally trying to reach the UK. This goes back to the late 80's, and perhaps even before that, with many camps throughout France filled with people illegally trying to get to the UK. The most notable being the Sangatte Camp. Whether they are economic migrants, illegal migrants, Asylum Seekers or any other name that is given to them. When they tramp halfway around the world, passing through many safe Countries and in most cases paying people traffickers to get them to the camps. They lose any rights that they may have had to legitimately claim a legal status. Does not help the children in any way, but it is time that a few realities were addressed. Obviously someone fleeing persecution has the time, freedom and opportunity to collect their documents . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, elliss said: France , should accept them , or Italy , Poland , etc . I thought UK , was leaving the EU ?? Under the Dublin regs ,if the childs parents are in the UK and in a position to care for them then the UK has the responsibility to process the claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 I don't think they are asylum seekers or economic migrants. They're CHILDREN. It's getting cold now and I for one a pleased to see a bit of humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i claudius Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 48 minutes ago, Grouse said: I don't think they are asylum seekers or economic migrants. They're CHILDREN. It's getting cold now and I for one a pleased to see a bit of humanity. If those are"children" that are in the pictures ,then i am a young man again , they look older than my son and he is 24 . Is it cosy in your alternate universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fithman Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) Ask the Swedes about their experiences associated with admitting refugees, "children" and others to their country. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641514/MAPPED-How-sex-attacks-are-spreading-across-Sweden-as-police-struggle-with-migrant-crime Edited October 16, 2016 by Fithman Added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 17 minutes ago, SgtRock said: You think that there might be a reason that they are currently sitting in a sh!thole in France trying to get to the UK illegally Can you please provide some evidence in law EU or international that states their action is illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 I do not have any issues with 'some' of these children coming to the UK. If they are young enough to integrate into our society, accept our equal values and don't include 25 year old Somalis claiming to be 14 year olds ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Fithman said: Ask the Swedes about their experiences associated with admitting refugee "children" to their country. Why not ask the children of their experience in Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtRock Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 19 minutes ago, rockingrobin said: Obviously someone fleeing persecution has the time, freedom and opportunity to collect their documents . It takes special people to master the trick of having no paperwork but having a pocketful of $$ to pay people traffickers to transport them 1000's of miles and across continents to get to the camps. You cannot screen people that have no documentation, funny how you ignored that part, that it has been going on since the 80's and that it involves illegal activity. 33 minutes ago, SgtRock said: 1. It is impossible to screen anyone without legitimate papers, this is one of the many problems that beset this and other camps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fithman Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Just now, rockingrobin said: Why not ask the children of their experience in Syria Why not ask these "children" why a Muslim state such as Saudi will not offer them "asylum" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 1 minute ago, SgtRock said: It takes special people to master the trick of having no paperwork but having a pocketful of $$ to pay people traffickers to transport them 1000's of miles and across continents to get to the camps. You cannot screen people that have no documentation, funny how you ignored that part, that it has been going on since the 80's and that it involves illegal activity. Of course you can screen people without paperwork, the sheer number of failed asylum seekers is testamount to the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 31 minutes ago, rockingrobin said: Obviously someone fleeing persecution has the time, freedom and opportunity to collect their documents . And if you destroy your documents, it is harder to prove you are an economic migrant rather than a refugee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtRock Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, rockingrobin said: Of course you can screen people without paperwork, the sheer number of failed asylum seekers is testamount to the process. How can you screen someone when you have not got a clue where they come from ? Why do you think these people in the OP have not already claimed asylum ? Grow up and open your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 The process for screening unaccompanied minors in the past was specific. The person had to reach the country in which they are seeking asylum before the age of 18. If they turn 18 in the camp, they are still screened as a minor. The reason for this is because children may not be able to articulate their claim to asylum; in short, they may not know why they were sent away. It takes special screening to find out if there is a real claim to refugee status. If many of these children that the UK is contemplating taking have family in the UK, they need to be interviewed about the reasons for leaving. The assessment for refugee status is just as rigorous for unaccompanied minors as it is for adults. For those screened out and determined not to be a refugee, there is an additional option and that is for a durable solution. So, if they are screened out, they may be in need of resettlement for other reasons, usually because deportation to the family is not possible. As a very general rule, children belong with their parents if they are not refugees and being reunited is possible. Placement with family members in a resettlement country should only be considered an option if return is not possible. The children may be related to someone in another country, but for many these are not immediate family members and they are no people they know or are bonded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 29 minutes ago, rockingrobin said: Under the Dublin regs ,if the childs parents are in the UK and in a position to care for them then the UK has the responsibility to process the claim If the parents had been admitted legal entry to the UK, why would their children be left in a French camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtRock Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 1 minute ago, halloween said: If the parents had been admitted legal entry to the UK, why would their children be left in a French camp? Do not try and confuse the world without borders advocates with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, rockingrobin said: Of course you can screen people without paperwork, the sheer number of failed asylum seekers is testamount to the process. Yes you can, but it takes considerably more effort and expense. Oz admitted a Pakistani who claimed to be Afghan because he had considerable knowledge of the area he claimed to be from. He then applied for his family to join him, but when questioned they had no idea. His visa was cancelled and the lot sent packing. One of the good news stories of the current rush to other people's wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Fithman said: Ask the Swedes about their experiences associated with admitting refugees, "children" and others to their country. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641514/MAPPED-How-sex-attacks-are-spreading-across-Sweden-as-police-struggle-with-migrant-crime This is the famous photo from Sweden earlier this year: "Claimed to be 14: Saad Alsaud is reported to have been the fastest 14-year-old in Sweden, dwarfing younger boys and girls in a running event" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422000/Just-old-think-migrant-children-Alarming-pictures-shed-light-growing-scandal-amid-asylum-crisis.html Edited October 16, 2016 by katana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, halloween said: If the parents had been admitted legal entry to the UK, why would their children be left in a French camp? I put forward the legal position that the UK voluntarily signed up to, how families become separated is moot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, rockingrobin said: I put forward the legal position that the UK voluntarily signed up to, how families become separated is moot What you said is ".... ,if the childs parents are in the UK and in a position to care for them then the UK has the responsibility to process the claim." If the parents status is undecided, entry refused and under appeal, or they are waiting deportation, I see little reason to admit even more likely illegal immigrants. If the parents were admitted legally, their children would have been included in the admission. BTW I assume that DNA testing is carried out to ensure the children are those of the parents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 31 minutes ago, Fithman said: Why not ask these "children" why a Muslim state such as Saudi will not offer them "asylum" But they do , the reason its not reported the gulf states are not signatories to the relevant UN protocols. Saudia Arabia dont class them as refugees but rather brothers requiring help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 1 minute ago, halloween said: What you said is ".... ,if the childs parents are in the UK and in a position to care for them then the UK has the responsibility to process the claim." If the parents status is undecided, entry refused and under appeal, or they are waiting deportation, I see little reason to admit even more likely illegal immigrants. If the parents were admitted legally, their children would have been included in the admission. BTW I assume that DNA testing is carried out to ensure the children are those of the parents? An asylum seeker cannot be illegal . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtRock Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 45 minutes ago, rockingrobin said: Can you please provide some evidence in law EU or international that states their action is illegal Is there any chance that you could stop trolling. You are way out of your depth and have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Quote 3. Documents you must provide You’ll need documents for yourself and your dependants (partner and children under 18) for your asylum screening. Documents you should bring (if you have them) include: passports and travel documents police registration certificates identification documents, eg identity cards, birth and marriage certificates or school records anything you think will help your application https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum/documents You cannot claim Asylum in the UK without documentation. PERIOD. Every single man, woman and child, without paperwork, who is trying to get to the UK from the camps in France without paperwork are / will be breaking UK Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fithman Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, rockingrobin said: But they do , the reason its not reported the gulf states are not signatories to the relevant UN protocols. Saudia Arabia dont class them as refugees but rather brothers requiring help Please produce the evidence for what you claim. If true why trek across Europe when comfortable life can be had in Saudi or one of the very wealthy Gulf states? http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/05/gulf-states-refuse-to-take-a-single-syrian-refugee-say-doing-so-exposes-them-to-risk-of-terrorism/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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