May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, talahtnut said:

Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them..Deal with that too.

 

 

It just goes to show that a little knowledge can be quite dangerous ( certainly for the person concerned).

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, aright said:

I agree. They present their readers with alternative facts so well. 

There is no legal obligation for newspapers to be impartial. The BBC on the other hand must use best endeavours to present both sides of an arguement no matter how bonkers the other point of view may be.

[talahtnut]

17 hours ago, SheungWan said:

A more ridiculous observation it would be difficult to find. But not unexpected from the resentful chips on their shoulder ranks of the Hard Brexiteers.

I have observed that many quasi-intellectuals replies are on 'shuffle'.

[Grouse]

I was going to make a witty comment about page 911. But with the way the wind is blowing, I don't dare.....

 

[aright]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

I was going to make a witty comment about page 911. But with the way the wind is blowing, I don't dare.....

 

The way the wind is blowing is as a result of khazi intellectuals I feel. 

[Grouse]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-tories-young-people-en-marche-movement-ireland-latest-a8205151.html

 

Food for thought....

[Grouse]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-workers-right-28hour-week-trade-union-industrial-action-ig-metall-a8205751.html

 

See what strong unions can achieve? Any chance of similar flexible working in England?

[aright]

The EU is panicking. Theresa May's 'paralysis' on Brexit could help her to triumph 

 

What kind of organisation threatens people who want to leave? Offhand, I can think of only three examples: mafia families, secret societies attempting to undermine the existing order, and religious cults. Arguably, the European Union is a bit of all of those, contrary to its view of itself as the very model of an idealistic, enlightened political entity.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/10/eu-panicking-theresa-mays-paralysis-brexit-could-help-triumph/

 

 

 

 

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, Grouse said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-workers-right-28hour-week-trade-union-industrial-action-ig-metall-a8205751.html

 

See what strong unions can achieve? Any chance of similar flexible working in England?

I am impressed with your concern for the people that work.

But I would favour a system of cooperatives, where everyone shares the decisions and the profits equally.

 

Edited February 12, 2018 by talahtnut
typo

[aright]

11 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

I am impressed with your concern for the people that work.

But I would favour a system of cooperatives, where everyone shares the decisions and the profits equally.

 

I am closely associated with John Lewis/Waitrose and they are a great example of the system you describe. Employees don't share the decisions ,I think that might be too cumbersome, but they have a big say in the CEO and profits are returned as bonuses.

[sandyf]

On 2/10/2018 at 11:47 PM, Jip99 said:

 

 

Whether Red Rum won by a head, or a furlong, he still won. That is the rules. 

 

A narrow margin of victory in any situation should make the victor slightly wary.

And you believe that to be a valid argument for a contentious result, says it all.

Just so you and others are clear, I didn't agree with the referendum in the first place and would not support a second, whatever the result may have been. There has only ever been three national referendums which is a good indication of their importance in UK politics. 

Theresa May used it as an excuse to try and push parliamentary democracy to one side but of course there are those that would prefer to think that the court case never happened. It is parliament that makes decisions in the UK, no none else, and all decisions,whether you like it or not, are open to challenge.

Never forget that the "Enemies of the People" are only the enemies of a certain percentage of the people and the sad part is there will never be that "victor" you refer to.

[aright]

 

On ‎10‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 4:47 PM, Jip99 said:

 

 

Whether Red Rum won by a head, or a furlong, he still won. That is the rules. 

 

A narrow margin of victory in any situation should make the victor slightly wary.

 

59 minutes ago, sandyf said:

And you believe that to be a valid argument for a contentious result, says it all.

 

Of course it's a valid argument.

The people decided in a democratically elected referendum and a democratic vote in the Commons that a democratically elected government should trigger article 50 to leave the EU. 

How much more of a valid argument do you want?

[Khun Han]

4 hours ago, aright said:

 

 

Of course it's a valid argument.

The people decided in a democratically elected referendum and a democratic vote in the Commons that a democratically elected government should trigger article 50 to leave the EU. 

How much more of a valid argument do you want?

 

All that remainers have proven is that one can discredit just about any democratic vote with semantics if one tries hard enough.

Edited February 12, 2018 by Khun Han

[aright]

17 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

All that remainers have proven is that one can discredit just about any democratic vote with semantics if one tries hard enough.

Yes and many continue to show their respect for democratic outcomes is only confined to outcomes they like.

[Moo71]

FACTS

 

£ sterling continues to get stronger

 

Bank of England say economy growing faster than forecast

 

So GOOD or BAD

[Jip99]

4 hours ago, aright said:

 

 

Of course it's a valid argument.

The people decided in a democratically elected referendum and a democratic vote in the Commons that a democratically elected government should trigger article 50 to leave the EU. 

How much more of a valid argument do you want?

 

 

Head and brick wall come to mind......don’t waste your breath!

[ilostmypassword]

23 minutes ago, Moo71 said:

FACTS

 

£ sterling continues to get stronger

 

Bank of England say economy growing faster than forecast

 

So GOOD or BAD

Over what time span? In relation to the Euro the trend has been weaker and weaker.

[oldhippy]

26 minutes ago, Moo71 said:

FACTS

 

£ sterling continues to get stronger

 

Bank of England say economy growing faster than forecast

 

So GOOD or BAD

Really?

 

[Moo71]

8 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Really?

 

Try vs US dollar

 

In Thailand IMHO euro a little irrelevant

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, Moo71 said:

Try vs US dollar

 

In Thailand IMHO euro a little irrelevant

In a brexit thread GBP<>euro is relevant.

But feel free to choose whatever suits you.

How about the Zimbabwe dollar? I admit: not bad at all!

 

 

[Khun Han]

Makes one wonder why Sheung Wan spent months gleefully quoting Sterling to US Dollar rates on these threads when Sterling was falling (but stopped as soon as the rate started rising).

Edited February 12, 2018 by Khun Han

[SheungWan]

6 hours ago, Khun Han said:

Makes one wonder why Sheung Wan spent months gleefully quoting Sterling to US Dollar rates on these threads when Sterling was falling (but stopped as soon as the rate started rising).

Because GBPUSD was the bellweather rate, but the story for GBPUSD is right now a story primarily about the USD and given that GBPUSD has dropped about 2.5% in one week this should be born in mind. The big story of course is the strengthening of the EURO which was predicted to collapse by the Brexit crowd. However, even with the continued down of Sterling against the EURO and more importantly for this thread, the Baht, the above question has validity in raising the question of what is going on with Sterling which does appear to have bottomed out. Bottomed out sufficiently for yours truly to have started using his Sterling credit card again. The key story for sterling is that the markets are discounting a soft Brexit. The argument is no longer that of Brexit Vs remain. For the markets it is Soft Vs Hard. If Theresa May is toppled in favour of some Hard Brexiteer kamikaze pilot then sterling is going south big time.

[ilostmypassword]

8 hours ago, Moo71 said:

Try vs US dollar

 

In Thailand IMHO euro a little irrelevant

The problem with that is that the US dollar has declined in relation to most major currencies around the world. So that really tells you nothing. You would have to compare how much the dollar has declined in relation to the pound vs. the how much it has declined in relation to the Euro. So why not skip the bother and go straight to the most telling comparison?

[Khun Han]

41 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Because GBPUSD was the bellweather rate, but the story for GBPUSD is right now a story primarily about the USD and given that GBPUSD has dropped about 2.5% in one week this should be born in mind. The big story of course is the strengthening of the EURO which was predicted to collapse by the Brexit crowd. However, even with the continued down of Sterling against the EURO and more importantly for this thread, the Baht, the above question has validity in raising the question of what is going on with Sterling which does appear to have bottomed out. Bottomed out sufficiently for yours truly to have started using his Sterling credit card again. The key story for sterling is that the markets are discounting a soft Brexit. The argument is no longer that of Brexit Vs remain. For the markets it is Soft Vs Hard. If Theresa May is toppled in favour of some Hard Brexiteer kamikaze pilot then sterling is going south big time.

 

That would have been a fine (if rather long-winded) excuse. Except for the fact that Sterling also initially rose against the Euro at the time that it started rallying against the US Dollar. Which, funnily enough, coincided with you stopping your daily updates on exchange rates .

[sandyf]

Never let it be said that brexit brigade ever complained about belonging to the European Union, in their mind they were merely advocating change.

Now those same people would condemn those that would advocate change on how the government perceives the way forward.

 

The rope bridge is fraying but "the people" are going marched across anyway, remaining behind is not an option.

[SheungWan]

9 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

That would have been a fine (if rather long-winded) excuse. Except for the fact that Sterling also initially rose against the Euro at the time that it started rallying against the US Dollar. Which, funnily enough, coincided with you stopping your daily updates on exchange rates .

Where sterling rises against a basket of currencies my point is that this usually has coincided with market optimism for a soft brexit...... (and in the opposite direction sterling drops against a basket of major currencies is market against a rise in the risk of a hard Brexit). Thus current Sterling stability has a soft Brexit written in as a major constituent. All focus is on the transition and the provisional agreement between the EU and the UK government seen by the markets as a positive.

[aright]

Australia tells UK to open tariff-free trade to world after Brexit: ‘It’s worked for us for 26 years’

 

Australia’s high commissioner to the UK has spoken out on the benefits of Britain leaving the customs union after its exit from the EU next year, saying that by negotiating unilateral trade agreements instead, the country would be able to retain control of its trade policy.

 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-leaving-eu-customs-union-081900175.html

 

[ilostmypassword]

58 minutes ago, aright said:

Australia tells UK to open tariff-free trade to world after Brexit: ‘It’s worked for us for 26 years’

 

Australia’s high commissioner to the UK has spoken out on the benefits of Britain leaving the customs union after its exit from the EU next year, saying that by negotiating unilateral trade agreements instead, the country would be able to retain control of its trade policy.

 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-leaving-eu-customs-union-081900175.html

 

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that Australia would benefit mightily if it could export its agricultural products to the UK without tariffs.

And just like Australia, the UK has huge mineral and agricultural resource to exploit and export.

And you do realize that he is recommending that the UK unilaterally eliminate tariffs and hope that other nations respond in kind.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that Australia would benefit mightily if it could export its agricultural products to the UK without tariffs.

And just like Australia, the UK has huge mineral and agricultural resource to exploit and export.

And you do realize that he is recommending that the UK unilaterally eliminate tariffs and hope that other nations respond in kind.

The High Commissioner's father was also High Commissioner at the time the UK joined up. A certain amount of schadenfreude or revenge coming into play methinks!

[aright]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

And of course this has nothing to do with the fact that Australia would benefit mightily if it could export its agricultural products to the UK without tariffs.

And just like Australia, the UK has huge mineral and agricultural resource to exploit and export.

And you do realize that he is recommending that the UK unilaterally eliminate tariffs and hope that other nations respond in kind.

I think this is called a quid pro quo but aren't all trade deals like that, even in a Pattays bar. 

The likelihood is you would claim the same for any country we wanted to have trade talks with. Its called Capitalism.