May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[Flustered]

Couldn't make this up if you tried and there are those who still think the EU is best for us, well Junkers calls the EU Parliament "ridiculous, totally ridiculous".

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40492396

 

Then we have 

IREXIT? Ireland urged to follow UK out of EU as country will get bad deal, think tank says

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/823910/Brexit-news-latest-Ireland-UK-EU-exit-European-Union-talks

 

Just two of the EU stories this week.

[ilostmypassword]

6 minutes ago, Flustered said:

 

 

Then we have 

IREXIT? Ireland urged to follow UK out of EU as country will get bad deal, think tank says

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/823910/Brexit-news-latest-Ireland-UK-EU-exit-European-Union-talks

 

 

Just an oversight that you failed to note this from said think tank?

The report, added: “Whatever the outcome of the Brexit negotiations, there will be a price to pay. For Ireland, there is really no upside to Brexit."

 

[Flustered]

7 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Just an oversight that you failed to note this from said think tank?

The report, added: “Whatever the outcome of the Brexit negotiations, there will be a price to pay. For Ireland, there is really no upside to Brexit."

 

That emphasises the pint even more for Irexit....Thank you.

[ilostmypassword]

12 minutes ago, Flustered said:

That emphasises the pint even more for Irexit....Thank you.

Well, a Hobson's choice might on a purely rational basis improve the chances. But as Brexit shows, rationality is not necessarily the only or chief motivation of voters.  And it seems unlikely that the Irish are going to feel grateful to the UK for putting them into this mess. And polls have repeatedly show that Ireland is very pro-EU. In the range of 80 percent favorable.

Edited July 4, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[Flustered]

12 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Well, a Hobson's choice might on a purely rational basis improve the chances. But as Brexit shows, rationality is not necessarily the only or chief motivation of voters.  And it seems unlikely that the Irish are going to feel grateful to the UK for putting them into this mess. And polls have repeatedly show that Ireland is very pro-EU. In the range of 80 percent favorable.

Basic law of business, Never have just one customer as your main outlet.

 

Ireland chose to follow this route not only with their agriculture but their banks as well so leaving the EU would be a win win situation for them.

[Khun Han]

2 hours ago, Flustered said:

Couldn't make this up if you tried and there are those who still think the EU is best for us, well Junkers calls the EU Parliament "ridiculous, totally ridiculous".

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40492396

 

Then we have 

IREXIT? Ireland urged to follow UK out of EU as country will get bad deal, think tank says

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/823910/Brexit-news-latest-Ireland-UK-EU-exit-European-Union-talks

 

Just two of the EU stories this week.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if Juncker'd had a liquid breakfast.

[Srikcir]

5 hours ago, Flustered said:

Basic law of business

Economy of Scale.

It's more efficient to have one large, consolidated customer that operates on a centralist philosophy than a smattering of small customers all operating independently.

[Khun Han]

8 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Economy of Scale.

It's more efficient to have one large, consolidated customer that operates on a centralist philosophy than a smattering of small customers all operating independently.

 

It's only more efficient until something changes. It's a common tactic of big companies/orgs to sucker smaller companies/orgs in with sweet deals, then tie them up in knots with changes of terms. A German-dominated federal Europe will tie the rest of the EU states up in knots. They've already had their successful little experiment with Greece and their successful larger experiment with the Euro. Once the EU is federalised, it's full steam ahead.

[SheungWan]

6 hours ago, Flustered said:

That emphasises the pint even more for Irexit....Thank you.

 

4 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Wouldn't surprise me if Juncker'd had a liquid breakfast.

Clearly not the only one then.

[ilostmypassword]

6 hours ago, Flustered said:

Basic law of business, Never have just one customer as your main outlet.

 

Ireland chose to follow this route not only with their agriculture but their banks as well so leaving the EU would be a win win situation for them.

Which exactly contradicts the report you cited as support for your position.

[pitrevie]

6 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

It's only more efficient until something changes. It's a common tactic of big companies/orgs to sucker smaller companies/orgs in with sweet deals, then tie them up in knots with changes of terms. A German-dominated federal Europe will tie the rest of the EU states up in knots. They've already had their successful little experiment with Greece and their successful larger experiment with the Euro. Once the EU is federalised, it's full steam ahead.

Germany agreed to the Euro as the price for reunification so it was hardly something they were pushing. However I see that your anti German rants haven't abated.

[nontabury]

7 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Well, a Hobson's choice might on a purely rational basis improve the chances. But as Brexit shows, rationality is not necessarily the only or chief motivation of voters.  And it seems unlikely that the Irish are going to feel grateful to the UK for putting them into this mess. And polls have repeatedly show that Ireland is very pro-EU. In the range of 80 percent favorable.

That must be the reason why the Irish never had the opportunity to vote on ratifying the new EU constitution in 2006. As required by article 29 of the Irish constitution. Probably had something to do with opinion polls at that time showing only 30% would have voted yes.This of course followed the French and Dutch referendums that also rejected the new EU constitution.

It would seem that the EU establishment have two options regarding nations not following the Bureacrats line. Either ignore it, or put pressure on,until they have.

 They do of course have helping hands, or should that be helping voices,as is the case with the Remoaners.

 

 

 

Edited July 5, 2017 by nontabury

[Orac]

That must be the reason why the Irish never had the opportunity to vote on ratifying the new EU constitution in 2006. As required by article 29 of the Irish constitution. Probably had something to do with opinion polls at that time showing only 30% would have voted yes.This of course followed the French and Dutch referendums that also rejected the new EU constitution.

It would seem that the EU establishment have two options regarding nations not following the Bureacrats line. Either ignore it, or put pressure on,until they have.

 

 

 

 

 

But the EU constitution was scrapped after been rejected and not adopted at all.

 

The later replacement was ratified by Ireland after article 29 was amended to allow the govt to do so, a referendum did ok the change with over 60% approving it.

 

 

[pitrevie]

15 minutes ago, nontabury said:

That must be the reason why the Irish never had the opportunity to vote on ratifying the new EU constitution in 2006. As required by article 29 of the Irish constitution. Probably had something to do with opinion polls at that time showing only 30% would have voted yes.This of course followed the French and Dutch referendums that also rejected the new EU constitution.

It would seem that the EU establishment have two options regarding nations not following the Bureacrats line. Either ignore it, or put pressure on,until they have.

 They do of course have helping hands, or should that be helping voices,as is the case with the Remoaners.

 

 

 

Article 29 of the Irish Constitution.

 

The Senate/Seanad Eireann shall be composed of citizens who have done honour to the Nation by reason of useful public service or who, because of special qualifications or attainments, represent important aspects of the Nation's life.

 

The Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland permitted the state to ratify the Lisbon Treaty of the European Union.

 

The Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty of Lisbon) Act 2009, which was approved by referendum on 2 October 2009 (sometimes known as the Lisbon II referendum).

The amendment was approved by the Irish electorate by 67.1% to 32.9%, on a turnout of 59%

 

Perhaps once a country has made up its made they shouldn't be allowed a second referendum on the same subject.

 

As David Davis the Brexit minister stated if a country cannot change its mind then it isn't a democracy.

[mommysboy]

8 hours ago, Flustered said:

Couldn't make this up if you tried and there are those who still think the EU is best for us, well Junkers calls the EU Parliament "ridiculous, totally ridiculous".

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40492396

 

Then we have 

IREXIT? Ireland urged to follow UK out of EU as country will get bad deal, think tank says

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/823910/Brexit-news-latest-Ireland-UK-EU-exit-European-Union-talks

 

Just two of the EU stories this week.

There are times when UK Parliament is rather sparse too.

 

As regards the Express story: it is just that.

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

Once the EU is federalised, it's full steam ahead.

Looking forward to that. Obviously, Putin who is trying to expand his own competing federation doesn't want such an economic and military bloc in his way.

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

It's a common tactic of big companies/orgs to sucker smaller companies/orgs in with sweet deals, then tie them up in knots with changes of terms.

There's no free lunches for a smaller economy. If less risk of economic disruption and greater opportunity for economic expansion results from such a relationship, a price is expected to be paid. So long as all the terms and conditions are transparent, one enters such a relationship with "eyes wide open."

 

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

A German-dominated federal Europe

With only 99 MEP's out of 751 MEP's (2014) a German dominance requires a coalition of inter-EU Members to dominate the EU Parliament - sounds like a very democratic institution based on majority representation.

[mommysboy]

8 hours ago, Flustered said:

Basic law of business, Never have just one customer as your main outlet.

 

Ireland chose to follow this route not only with their agriculture but their banks as well so leaving the EU would be a win win situation for them.

Groundless, baseless, and speculative. No evidence.

[ilostmypassword]

3 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Looking forward to that. Obviously, Putin who is trying to expand his own competing federation doesn't want such an economic and military bloc in his way.

There's no free lunches for a smaller economy. If less risk of economic disruption and greater opportunity for economic expansion results from such a relationship, a price is expected to be paid. So long as all the terms and conditions are transparent, one enters such a relationship with "eyes wide open."

 

With only 99 MEP's out of 751 MEP's (2014) a German dominance requires a coalition of inter-EU Members to dominate the EU Parliament - sounds like a very democratic institution based on majority representation.

You just don't understand. Let me explain it to you. Hitler, Hitler, and...Hitler.

[Srikcir]

8 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

You just don't understand

No I don't - Hitler what?

[ilostmypassword]

5 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

No I don't - Hitler what?

I guess I wasn't explicit enough..blitzkrieg, blitzkrieg, blitzkrieg, dunkirk, dunkirk, dunkirk. And my father who fought in the war.

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 Once the EU is federalised, it's full steam ahead.

 

18 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Looking forward to that. Obviously, Putin who is trying to expand his own competing federation doesn't want such an economic and military bloc in his way.

All the Conspiracy Theorist Hard Brexiteers on this forum are pro-Putin, but they try not to advertise the fact too much. It just slips out now and again.

[Srikcir]

1 minute ago, ilostmypassword said:

I guess I wasn't explicit enough..blitzkrieg, blitzkrieg, blitzkrieg, dunkirk, dunkirk, dunkirk. And my father who fought in the war.

Still not very explicit for a conversation. So I'll expand my consternation.

 

How does Nazi Germany that subjugated European nations through the force of war compare to today's democratic Germany that relies on a peaceful political representation process through a multi-nation voluntary democratic institution to advance its national agenda? No comparison to Hitler's Germany.

 

Notice that since rehabilitation and European nations' voluntary membership into a common agenda for economic prosperity and military defense, neither you nor your family have fought and suffered in an European war.

[ilostmypassword]

Just now, Srikcir said:

Still not very explicit for a conversation. So I'll expand my consternation.

 

How does Nazi Germany that subjugated European nations through the force of war compare to today's democratic Germany that relies on a peaceful political representation process through a multi-nation voluntary democratic institution to advance its national agenda? No comparison to Hitler's Germany.

 

Notice that since rehabilitation and European nations' voluntary membership into a common agenda for economic prosperity and military defense, neither you nor your family have fought and suffered in an European war.

I was attempting sarcasm. I've misconstrued similar attempts from others so I'm in no position to feel superior.

[Srikcir]

4 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I was attempting sarcasm.

Understand.

Some people "weaponize" sarcasm to say what they actually mean.

More so thanks to the New Age of Trump truths.

[Kwasaki]

18 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Notice that since rehabilitation and European nations' voluntary membership into a common agenda for economic prosperity and military defense, neither you nor your family have fought and suffered in an European war.

What about a financial one. 

[soalbundy]

She will be engaged in so many U turns that she will disappear up her own rectum

[Srikcir]

7 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

What about a financial one. 

Self-inflicted.

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

I guess I wasn't explicit enough..blitzkrieg, blitzkrieg, blitzkrieg, dunkirk, dunkirk, dunkirk. And my father who fought in the war.

dear oh dear, you've been watching too many John Wayne films. My Father was in the RN in WW2 and after visiting me for two months in Germany wanted to retire there.

[pitrevie]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

dear oh dear, you've been watching too many John Wayne films. My Father was in the RN in WW2 and after visiting me for two months in Germany wanted to retire there.

I know the feeling, best 3 years of my life living in Germany.

[ilostmypassword]

9 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

dear oh dear, you've been watching too many John Wayne films. My Father was in the RN in WW2 and after visiting me for two months in Germany wanted to retire there.

Sarcasm.