May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[melvinmelvin]

4 hours ago, jimmybkk said:

Blame that fool Cameron. It was him who called the referendum on Brexit. It was him who said that if the result of the referendum was that the majority of voters were in favour of leaving the EU, the UK would leave. It was him who stated publicly (lied) that he would stay on as PM regardless of the outcome of the referendum. And it was him who resigned and ran off like the wimp that he is immediately after the election. May's been left picking up the pieces of the mess left behind by that half-wit Cameron and the self-serving wool he pulled over the nation's eyes... Disgusting.

 

thought it was pretty good of Cameron to vanish rapidly, no point in having him hanging around when he himself had

decided to resign

 

[melvinmelvin]

9 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Normally yes, but they cannot hold it totally together right now. What you are referring to above is an indication of factional jockeying for position.

 

right,

 

where I come from that Minister of Finance would have been without a job faster than quick

fiddling for positions, OK, would likely be tolerated

but such blatant deviation from the official policy would not

You would read in next day's morning newspapers that the Minister of Finance has resigned and

that Minister so and so has temporarily taken over the portfolio until the PM takes on a new Finance Minister

(could take a week or possibly two)

 

(unless May silently agrees and will use this as a tool to prolong the whole process)

 

even though May is not in a very strong position letting this pass will just make her position less tenable

 

----

it might console her that there are probably few around that are eager to take on the brexit charge,

except some, possibly bold, politician that would go the Blair way and put a break on the proceedings

and look for ways to hold a 2nd referendum

 

 

[soalbundy]

5 hours ago, jimmybkk said:

Blame that fool Cameron. It was him who called the referendum on Brexit. It was him who said that if the result of the referendum was that the majority of voters were in favour of leaving the EU, the UK would leave. It was him who stated publicly (lied) that he would stay on as PM regardless of the outcome of the referendum. And it was him who resigned and ran off like the wimp that he is immediately after the election. May's been left picking up the pieces of the mess left behind by that half-wit Cameron and the self-serving wool he pulled over the nation's eyes... Disgusting.

What's wrong with that, Cameron doesn't agree with brexit and said so,saying why should I do the hard work, nobody forced May who also didn't/doesn't agree with brexit to take the position, it does have a nice pension though.

[Grouse]

A this is page 555, a bit more humour please!?

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

right,

 

where I come from that Minister of Finance would have been without a job faster than quick

fiddling for positions, OK, would likely be tolerated

but such blatant deviation from the official policy would not

You would read in next day's morning newspapers that the Minister of Finance has resigned and

that Minister so and so has temporarily taken over the portfolio until the PM takes on a new Finance Minister

(could take a week or possibly two)

 

(unless May silently agrees and will use this as a tool to prolong the whole process)

 

even though May is not in a very strong position letting this pass will just make her position less tenable

 

----

it might console her that there are probably few around that are eager to take on the brexit charge,

except some, possibly bold, politician that would go the Blair way and put a break on the proceedings

and look for ways to hold a 2nd referendum

 

 

And where do you actually come from?

[dick dasterdly]

8 hours ago, jimmybkk said:

Blame that fool Cameron. It was him who called the referendum on Brexit. It was him who said that if the result of the referendum was that the majority of voters were in favour of leaving the EU, the UK would leave. It was him who stated publicly (lied) that he would stay on as PM regardless of the outcome of the referendum. And it was him who resigned and ran off like the wimp that he is immediately after the election. May's been left picking up the pieces of the mess left behind by that half-wit Cameron and the self-serving wool he pulled over the nation's eyes... Disgusting.

 

3 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

thought it was pretty good of Cameron to vanish rapidly, no point in having him hanging around when he himself had

decided to resign

 

I'd change the last part of your sentence -  "no point in having him hanging around when he himself had decided to resign"  - to -  'when he had clearly misjudged public opinion so badly'.

 

He was a determined remain advocate and if he hadn't resigned, there would have been even less trust in politicians generally (and Cameron particularly!) in negotiating to leave the EU.

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

A this is page 555, a bit more humour please!?

Apart from Boris (), I can find little humour in this topic - as its so important.  Not to mention, little of the 'humour' posted has been funny....

 

Its going to affect too many - now and in the future - for better or worse.

[beautifulthailand99]

4 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

thought it was pretty good of Cameron to vanish rapidly, no point in having him hanging around when he himself had

decided to resign

 

It's what known as an Eton mess !

[beautifulthailand99]

34 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Apart from Boris (), I can find little humour in this topic - as its so important.  Not to mention, little of the 'humour' posted has been funny....

 

Its going to affect too many - now and in the future - for better or worse.

I think we can rule out better....that ship has long sailed.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The Government is negotiating like a half-wit because of Cameron? What a great blame-school analysis.

If you accept that Independent article as fact then you only have yourself to blame.

 

[SheungWan]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If you accept that Independent article as fact then you only have yourself to blame.

 

My comment made without reference. Couldn't find the article you are alluding to. However I did find one that refers to David Davis as 'thick as mince' and 'lazy as a toad'.

[aright]

32 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I think we can rule out better....that ship has long sailed.

Depends on your mind set. If you see problems as depressing insurmountable objects you are most probably right. However if you see problems as opportunities.......... that ship hasn't even been launched yet.

I see no ships only hardships...........that's close enough to what Nelson said

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

My comment made without reference. Couldn't find the article you are alluding to. However I did find one that refers to David Davis as 'thick as mince' and 'lazy as a toad'.

This from Grouse all the way back on P553!

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-german-politicians-irish-british-disgrace-farcical-a7843526.html

 

Looks like you are the lazy toad.  

Edited July 18, 2017 by nauseus

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

I'd change the last part of your sentence -  "no point in having him hanging around when he himself had decided to resign"  - to -  'when he had clearly misjudged public opinion so badly'.

 

He was a determined remain advocate and if he hadn't resigned, there would have been even less trust in politicians generally (and Cameron particularly!) in negotiating to leave the EU.

agree, and he was quick to say that he is resigning, and he acted accordingly

 

[Grouse]

12 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

My comment made without reference. Couldn't find the article you are alluding to. However I did find one that refers to David Davis as 'thick as mince' and 'lazy as a toad'.

555

[Grouse]

12 minutes ago, aright said:

Depends on your mind set. If you see problems as depressing insurmountable objects you are most probably right. However if you see problems as opportunities.......... that ship hasn't even been launched yet.

I see no ships only hardships...........that's close enough to what Nelson said

Desperate affairs require desperate measures.

 

Horatio Nelson

 

(Is "Kiss me Hardy" apocryphal?)
 

[aright]

I think so

 

Nelson: "Order the signal, Hardy."

Hardy: "Aye, aye sir."

Nelson: "Hold on, that's not what I dictated to Flags. What's the
meaning of this?"

Hardy: "Sorry sir?"

Nelson (reading aloud): "'England expects every person to do his or
her duty, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious
persuasion or disability.' - What gobbledegook is this?"

Hardy: "Admiralty policy, I'm afraid, sir. We're an equal
opportunities employer now. We had the devil's own job getting
'England' past the censors, lest it be considered racist."

Nelson: "Gadzooks, Hardy. Hand me my pipe and tobacco."

Hardy: "Sorry sir. All naval vessels have now been designated
smoke-free working environments."

Nelson: "In that case, break open the rum ration. Let us splice the
mainbrace to steel the men before battle."

Hardy: "The rum ration has been abolished, Admiral. Its part of the
Government's policy on binge drinking."

Nelson: "Good heavens, Hardy. I suppose we'd better get on with it.
Full speed ahead."

Hardy: "I think you'll find that there's a 4 knots speed limit in
this stretch of water."

Nelson: "Damn it man! We are on the eve of the greatest sea battle
in history. We must advance with all dispatch. Report from the
crow's nest please."

Hardy: "That won't be possible, sir."

Nelson: "What?"

Hardy: "Health and Safety have closed the crow's nest, sir. No
harness and they said that rope ladders don't meet regulations. They
won't let anyone up there until a proper scaffolding can be erected."

Nelson: "Then get me the ship's carpenter without delay, Hardy."

Hardy: "He's busy knocking up a wheelchair access to the fo'c'sle
Admiral."

Nelson: "Wheelchair access? I've never heard anything so absurd."

Hardy: "Health and safety again, sir. We have to provide a
barrier-free environment for the differently abled."

Nelson: "Differently abled? I've only one arm and one eye and I
refuse even to hear mention of the word. I didn't rise to the rank
of admiral by playing the disability card."

Hardy: "Actually, sir, you did. The Royal Navy is under represented
in the areas of visual impairment and limb deficiency."

Nelson: "Whatever next? Give me full sail. The salt spray beckons."

Hardy: "A couple of problems there too, sir. Health and safety won't
let the crew up the rigging without hard hats. And they don't want
anyone breathing in too much salt - haven't you seen the adverts?"

Nelson: "I've never heard such infamy. Break out the cannon and tell
the men to stand by to engage the enemy."

Hardy: "The men are a bit worried about shooting at anyone, Admiral."

Nelson: "What? This is mutiny!"

Hardy: "It's not that, sir. It's just that they're afraid of being
charged with murder if they actually kill anyone. There's a couple
of legal-aid lawyers on board, watching everyone like hawks."

Nelson: "Then how are we to sink the Frenchies and the Spanish?"

Hardy: "Actually, sir, we're not."

Nelson: "We're not?"

Hardy: "No, sir. The French and the Spanish are our European
partners now. According to the Common Fisheries Policy, we shouldn't
even be in this stretch of water. We could get hit with a claim for
compensation."

Nelson: "But you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil."

Hardy: "I wouldn't let the ship's diversity co-ordinator hear you
saying that sir. You'll be up on disciplinary report."

Nelson: "You must consider every man an enemy, who speaks ill of
your King."

Hardy: "Not any more, sir. We must be inclusive in this
multicultural age. Now put on your Kevlar vest; it's the rules. It
could save your life"

Nelson: "Don't tell me - health and safety. Whatever happened to
rum, sodomy and the lash?"

Hardy: As I explained, sir, rum is off the menu! And there's a ban
on corporal punishment."

Nelson: "What about sodomy?"

Hardy: "I believe that is now legal, sir."

Nelson: "In that case......... kiss me, Hardy!"

[Flustered]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

My comment made without reference. Couldn't find the article you are alluding to. However I did find one that refers to David Davis as 'thick as mince' and 'lazy as a toad'.

You miss the point. he smiles a lot, is tele-photogenic and speaks clearly and slowly.

[Flustered]

34 minutes ago, aright said:

I think so

 

Nelson: "Order the signal, Hardy."

Hardy: "Aye, aye sir."

Nelson: "Hold on, that's not what I dictated to Flags. What's the
meaning of this?"

Hardy: "Sorry sir?"

Nelson (reading aloud): "'England expects every person to do his or
her duty, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious
persuasion or disability.' - What gobbledegook is this?"

Hardy: "Admiralty policy, I'm afraid, sir. We're an equal
opportunities employer now. We had the devil's own job getting
'England' past the censors, lest it be considered racist."

Nelson: "Gadzooks, Hardy. Hand me my pipe and tobacco."

Hardy: "Sorry sir. All naval vessels have now been designated
smoke-free working environments."

Nelson: "In that case, break open the rum ration. Let us splice the
mainbrace to steel the men before battle."

Hardy: "The rum ration has been abolished, Admiral. Its part of the
Government's policy on binge drinking."

Nelson: "Good heavens, Hardy. I suppose we'd better get on with it.
Full speed ahead."

Hardy: "I think you'll find that there's a 4 knots speed limit in
this stretch of water."

Nelson: "Damn it man! We are on the eve of the greatest sea battle
in history. We must advance with all dispatch. Report from the
crow's nest please."

Hardy: "That won't be possible, sir."

Nelson: "What?"

Hardy: "Health and Safety have closed the crow's nest, sir. No
harness and they said that rope ladders don't meet regulations. They
won't let anyone up there until a proper scaffolding can be erected."

Nelson: "Then get me the ship's carpenter without delay, Hardy."

Hardy: "He's busy knocking up a wheelchair access to the fo'c'sle
Admiral."

Nelson: "Wheelchair access? I've never heard anything so absurd."

Hardy: "Health and safety again, sir. We have to provide a
barrier-free environment for the differently abled."

Nelson: "Differently abled? I've only one arm and one eye and I
refuse even to hear mention of the word. I didn't rise to the rank
of admiral by playing the disability card."

Too long and boring to read.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

This from Grouse all the way back on P553!

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-german-politicians-irish-british-disgrace-farcical-a7843526.html

 

Looks like you are the lazy toad.  

Not sure how that refers to the blaming of Cameron which I was responding to, but do carry on.

[aright]

5 minutes ago, Flustered said:

Too long and boring to read.

Are you a "Wessie" ?

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

My comment made without reference. Couldn't find the article you are alluding to. However I did find one that refers to David Davis as 'thick as mince' and 'lazy as a toad'.

 

10 minutes ago, Flustered said:

You miss the point. he smiles a lot, is tele-photogenic and speaks clearly and slowly.

Sorry to disappoint you but the comments about David Davis were made by Dominic Cummings, former leader of the Vote Leave campaign. Maybe you can tell him he is missing the point.

Edited July 18, 2017 by SheungWan

[Flustered]

3 minutes ago, aright said:

Are you a "Wessie" ?

One who lives near Sunny Brid.

[aright]

I forgive you then.  I actually live in Brid............ "149" Best fish and chips in the world. 

[SheungWan]

4 minutes ago, aright said:

I forgive you then.  I actually live in Brid............ "149" Best fish and chips in the world. 

Fish and chips awards 2017. Is that one there? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/britains-best-fish-chip-shops-revealed/

 

[aright]

Just now, SheungWan said:

Fish and chips awards 2017. Is that one there? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/britains-best-fish-chip-shops-revealed/

 

Yes "149" got the award about 3 or 4 years ago. Camilla and Charles visited and enjoyed their haddock, chips and scraps.

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Not sure how that refers to the blaming of Cameron which I was responding to, but do carry on.

Lazy toad, too idle look.

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Lazy toad, too idle look.

Too idle to look. Worth the effort to get it right, no?

[beautifulthailand99]

 

[beautifulthailand99]

8 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Too idle to look. Worth the effort to get it right, no?

Don't worry Brexiteers don't let facts get in the way of an argument - you...remoaner.