May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, nontabury said:

Firstly I have not chosen Thai over UK or vice versus for my children. 

I certainly do not think they deserve preferential treatment over other British children, but I do think they should be treated preferentially to non British children, especially those who have no link to this country and whose family have Never  made any monetary contribution to this country.

Lastly I did not abanded my country, when I went with work to Thailand, and unfortunately the U.K. tax authorities have  also not assused I never abandoned  the country. As every year they have demanded that I continue to make contribution to the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

  One thing I have always admired about the Thais, they will never give preferential treatment to a foreigner over a Thai. I beleive that should my Thai wife decides to return and live in Thailand after 30yrs, she will automatically, on production of her Thai passport be treated as another Thai, and will certainly not expect none Thais to have preferential treatment over her.

Thais look after Thais,  sensible people.

[nontabury]

22 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Thais look after Thais,  sensible people.

A few years ago, the Thais had a political party called “ Thai rak Thai” meaning Thais Love Thai. Perhaps the remainers should form a party “Brits who dislike Brits”

[SheungWan]

2 minutes ago, nontabury said:

A few years ago, the Thais had a political party called “ Thai rak Thai” meaning Thais Love Thai. Perhaps the remainers should form a party “Brits who dislike Brits”

Brits who don't like Brits. Do bears **** in the woods?

[talahtnut]

17 hours ago, nontabury said:

A few years ago, the Thais had a political party called “ Thai rak Thai” meaning Thais Love Thai. Perhaps the remainers should form a party “Brits who dislike Brits”

Include me in that..they are all Cynthia Buckets.

[SheungWan]

6 hours ago, talahtnut said:

Thais look after Thais,  sensible people.

And they drive on the left-hand side of the road as well! Case closed.

[Airbagwill]

15 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

But we have not changed our mind , and if we did have another vote and it was remain ,shall we have another vote in 6 months , and every 6 months? or every year ?

Now you're beginning to see the picture. In a democracy to change a "constitutional" type situation you need a 2/3 majority in most countries...this didn't happen.  Otherwise referendum are not democratic they are retooled despots, demagogues and dictators.

Current polls show that a majority are not in favour of Brexit, especially the kind the government are likely to get. 

Simple majorities are not always democracy...They are mob rule.

The truth is that while regions and countries in UK do not support Brexit so it is not government of the people for the people by the people...the referendum depends on the question asked and the result in no way reflects that either.

If a majority of the UK public voted for a flat earth, would that make it so?

[sandyf]

8 hours ago, nontabury said:

A few years ago, the Thais had a political party called “ Thai rak Thai” meaning Thais Love Thai. Perhaps the remainers should form a party “Brits who dislike Brits”

A clear example of the brexit legacy, divisive paranoia. 

How on earth can remaining in the EU be linked to "disliking Brits". Being part of the EU may very well offer the best future for our children an all other British citizens, it would take a distorted train of thought to turn that concept into anything other than supporting fellow Brits.

 

It should be borne in mind that 51.9% is not a commanding majority and in most cases would fall into margin of error. It should also be remembered that the government denied a vote to a great deal that were likely to be the most affected.

There is every chance that over 50% of the population would fall into your category of "Brits who Dislike Brits".

[bert bloggs]

2 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Now you're beginning to see the picture. In a democracy to change a "constitutional" type situation you need a 2/3 majority in most countries...this didn't happen.  Otherwise referendum are not democratic they are retooled despots, demagogues and dictators.

Current polls show that a majority are not in favour of Brexit, especially the kind the government are likely to get. 

Simple majorities are not always democracy...They are mob rule.

The truth is that while regions and countries in UK do not support Brexit so it is not government of the people for the people by the people...the referendum depends on the question asked and the result in no way reflects that either.

If a majority of the UK public voted for a flat earth, would that make it so?

nice try ,but sorry no cigar . current polls show people ARE still in favour of brexit , but are not happy the way things are going ,.

[aright]

9 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

I certainly do not think they deserve preferential treatment over other British children, but I do think they should be treated preferentially to non British children, especially those who have no link to this country and whose family have Never  made any monetary contribution to this country.

 

The European Charter of Fundamental Rights 2000 guarantees all people human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality and respect for human rights . Preferential rights don't exist.

Are you proposing some sort of caste system?

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

I always think how small minded it is how those who lose a vote by the majority of people try their hardest to stop that democratic vote

It is a bit small minded to think that the referendum result was a legal political decision.

Until the constitution is altered the UK is a Parliamentary Democracy, something that many, including the government, continually try to ignore.

 

It doesn't matter what you or I think of the referendum, at the end of the day it will be up to parliament how things proceed and until that happens parliament will be advised and lobbied just as they are on any other issue.

[aright]

25 minutes ago, sandyf said:

 

 

It should be borne in mind that 51.9% is not a commanding majority and in most cases would fall into margin of error. It should also be remembered that the government denied a vote to a great deal that were likely to be the most affected.

 

It should also be borne in mind that the vote to trigger article 50 was carried by 461votes to 89. That is a commanding majority.

[sandyf]

14 minutes ago, aright said:

It should also be borne in mind that the vote to trigger article 50 was carried by 461votes to 89. That is a commanding majority.

Again you have gone out of context. The parliament vote result has absolutely no bearing on the public opinion split, keep your response to the point in question.

But as I said in my next post  "at the end of the day it will be up to parliament how things proceed".

[mommysboy]

Us 'reds' have a lot to thank Tory Brexiteers for- after all...they're about to do something no Labour Party has ever been able to do....deliver Uk's first truly socialist government!!

[talahtnut]

16 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Us 'reds' have a lot to thank Tory Brexiteers for- after all...they're about to do something no Labour Party has ever been able to do....deliver Uk's first truly socialist government!!

The Tory party's austerity/poverty policies are the gift to Labour.

Too many people struggling in UK, they must have their say.

The Tory's 'fairer society' talk is not the way they walk.

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Again you have gone out of context. The parliament vote result has absolutely no bearing on the public opinion split, keep your response to the point in question.

But as I said in my next post  "at the end of the day it will be up to parliament how things proceed".

Fighting against parliamentary process started a long time ago.  The suffragettes and poll tax spring to mind.

 

But this is the first time people are trying to (edit - immediately) subvert a democratic decision in the UK?

Edited February 10, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Fighting against parliamentary process started a long time ago.  The suffragettes and poll tax spring to mind.

 

But this is the first time people are trying to (edit - immediately) subvert a democratic decision in the UK?

Try as long ago as 1653.

The best ever speech in parliament.

 

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

 

In the name of God, go!
 
Oliver Cromwell - April 20, 1653

As for the remainers conspiracy, well thats just their theory.

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[Jip99]

6 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Try as long ago as 1653.

The best ever speech in parliament.

 

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

 

In the name of God, go!
 
Oliver Cromwell - April 20, 1653

 

 

 

1605 was a valiant effort......... but less successful.

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

 

1605 was a valiant effort......... but less successful.

Time to burn the tally sticks again.

[aright]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Again you have gone out of context. The parliament vote result has absolutely no bearing on the public opinion split, keep your response to the point in question.

But as I said in my next post  "at the end of the day it will be up to parliament how things proceed".

All I did was make a statement in response to an half answer , not the full story statement from you. 

I certainly don't need misplaced, arrogant, advice from you as to how I should present myself or my argument on this forum. Who do you think you are?

[aright]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Fighting against parliamentary process started a long time ago.  The suffragettes and poll tax spring to mind.

 

But this is the first time people are trying to (edit - immediately) subvert a democratic decision in the UK?

I agree. What do you think their agenda is?

[Jip99]

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

A clear example of the brexit legacy, divisive paranoia. 

How on earth can remaining in the EU be linked to "disliking Brits". Being part of the EU may very well offer the best future for our children an all other British citizens, it would take a distorted train of thought to turn that concept into anything other than supporting fellow Brits.

 

It should be borne in mind that 51.9% is not a commanding majority and in most cases would fall into margin of error. It should also be remembered that the government denied a vote to a great deal that were likely to be the most affected.

There is every chance that over 50% of the population would fall into your category of "Brits who Dislike Brits".

 

 

“51.9% is not a commanding majority”

 

Of course it is.

 

Only 50.1% was required...

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

 

1605 was a valiant effort......... but less successful.

ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

 

Great description of the Hard Brexit Tories! Brilliant!

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, aright said:

I agree. What do you think their agenda is?

Saving the great unwashed from accidental self harm?

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, Grouse said:

ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

 

Great description of the Hard Brexit Tories! Brilliant!

Its time you took the road to Damascus..St.Grouse.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

“51.9% is not a commanding majority”

 

Of course it is.

 

Only 50.1% was required...

"Brexit will be Brexit; success or failure is not relevant"

 

You can't top that! ?

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Fighting against parliamentary process started a long time ago.  The suffragettes and poll tax spring to mind.

 

But this is the first time people are trying to (edit - immediately) subvert a democratic decision in the UK?

The referendum was not a decision and the only one trying to subvert democracy was Teresa May.

She can afford to fund a court case but not social care.

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

“51.9% is not a commanding majority”

 

Of course it is.

 

Only 50.1% was required...

 

That is absolutely true.

 

It should be noted that it was not actually legally binding, but just about any leading authority regarded it as politically binding.

 

Regarding Parliament subverting the will of the people: an MP's first duty is to represent his/her constituents, and at a guess roughly half constituancies would have voted to remain in the UK.  In effect then, up to a half are merely doing their job.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

“51.9% is not a commanding majority”

 

Of course it is.

 

Only 50.1% was required...

And therein lies the problem, in such important issues other countries take a more sensible approach with a set majority, virtual even splits are never a positive result and as we have seen does nothing but create division.

You are obviously happy to base the future of the UK on 51.9% but I wonder if that same confidence would be there if your own future was based on an operation that had a 51.9% success rate -  nothing to worry about.

[SheungWan]

9 hours ago, aright said:

It should also be borne in mind that the vote to trigger article 50 was carried by 461votes to 89. That is a commanding majority.

The decision to have a parliamentary vote on article 50 was opposed by every single Hard Brexiteer going. What our friends wanted was the decision to be decided by Royal Prerogative. This opposition resulted in them putting the label of Enemies of the People on the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the Law Lords and the High Court. For any of these Hard Brexiteers to now claim this vote as one of their achievements is just a stupifying example of their continued political dishonesty and disregard for memory. Unfortunately for them not everybody else is as intellectually lazy.

[aright]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Saving the great unwashed from accidental self harm?

Best served by getting behind a democratically elected government trying to implement the result of a democratically elected referendum and a democratic vote in the lower house I would have thought. More importantly do you know a good ale and curry house in Kolkata where they will be showing today's Twickers game?

Edit.......With heavyweight strippers as well . I understand you are an authority

Edited February 10, 2018 by aright